NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

T S O · Post Post #575 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:15 am

Slandaar, re-analyse your reads. YC is also Town.

Slandaar · Post Post #576 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:26 am

Lets play a game

In post 100, ElectricSavages wrote:
Yunichikawowwow [8]
- Garmr, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, Dry-fit, Yiley, JKLM, PeregrineV

Who is scum on the wagon?

Garmr? no.
Me? no.
Desp? Eh, well maybe but probably not.
Bulb? Very Unlikely
Dry? Confirmed No.
Yiley? na.
JKLM? eh na.
PV? maybe.

So, looking at the 8 votes this wagon is insanely town.

Now where are the scum? (Yuni is one) and avoiding the wagon (aka Maxstyle). Let me check TSO stance on Yuni wagon... Surprisingly it doesn't exist.

aptil · Post Post #577 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:56 am

In post 475, ElectricSavages wrote:
JKLM [5]
- Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, evilpacman18, Maxous

This wagon has at least 3 scum from .
Maxous- confirmed .
Evil ,Toomai - most likely .
Bulbazak- a little less than above two .
Garmr - most unlikely .

Tags Fixed ~JS

PeregrineV · Post Post #578 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:34 am

Happy New Year!

Will catch up later today.

Toomai · Post Post #579 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:37 am

In post 570, Yiley wrote:Nice OMGUS vote lol

Are you going to elaborate on 519 or not? And what about 553?

YuniChikako · Post Post #580 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:58 am

In post 568, Toomai wrote:
I've decided I'm done with aptil for now.

Vote: Yiley

His Day 2 is much worse than aptil's, and I think this needs to be elaborated better:
In post 518, Toomai wrote:
In post 510, Yiley wrote:It is being reflexively defensive. Instead of looking for good legitimate scumreads, people are being reflexive and jumping on to a wagon with little to no reasoning and bad reasoning if any.
VOTE: toomai
So now explain how that vote of yours is not reflexive and doesn't have little reasoning.
In post 519, Yiley wrote:Your poor reasoning is what I'm attacking here

This post actually makes me like Yiley

more

. His voting you is actually a good vote. Yiley was right about not voting Aptil right away because of his weird hammer, it's a terrible idea. You seem unusually persistent on voting Aptil, and refuse to reconsider.
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In post 567, mastin2 wrote:Derp. Forgot about this game.
In post 533, Slandaar wrote:
In post 523, T S O wrote: I have no interest in starting a necromancy war when his flip completely suits your agenda. I get you've been lining me up since d1, but here isn't where you'll do it.
Ah, yes, necromancy war. You mean that I asked you yesterday numerous times to explain your vote which you failed to do because you didn't want to debate your vote with me. Then once he flips town you cry foul because it is unfair to force you to explain it now as obviously the reasoning is wrong, even though you had multiple opportunities yesterday to do so which would have prevented the whole situation but because he flipped town I am in the wrong.
VOTE: TSO

Lynch this.
Yeeeeeeeeeah, thinkin' Slandaar's scum from this and TSO's not. TSO's handling of the situation is much better than Slandaar's.

Well, Slandaar has been drilling TSO and making some good points, while TSO's posts are kinda weak. Maybe that's just how he plays, but eh. Slandaar is looking more town to me than TSO.
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In post 557, Desperado wrote:Thoughts on what I said about Toomai?

This posts looks really, really bad. It just seems like a very scummy thing to say.

Garmr · Post Post #581 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:57 am

In post 577, aptil wrote:
In post 475, ElectricSavages wrote:
JKLM [5]
- Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, evilpacman18, Maxous

This wagon has at least 3 scum from .
Maxous- confirmed .
Evil ,Toomai - most likely .
Bulbazak- a little less than above two .
Garmr - most unlikely .

Tags Fixed ~JS

I would also like to point out the reluctance maxous had jumping on this wagon. It took a lot of hard meta work and post analysis to get him on it.

In post 219, Maxous wrote:- JKLM: I liked him early because his posts were full of aggression and conviction

In post 316, Maxous wrote:so,
I explained JKLM-town.
TSO explained JKLM-town. I think somebody else did too.
you did'nt adress any of these.
yet you still go 'idk man, I just can't see how JKLM can be town'.
Why?

In post 412, Maxous wrote:eh, fine

unvote, vote: JKLM

I under-estimated his scumplay.

In post 592, JKLM wrote:I literally went in to this game (because I hate scum so much) dive bombing and tunneling so had that I hoped I'd e read as VI (it's happened before and it's a great position to be in)
This I found to be the most interesting quote as it mirrors his attempt at a get-out-of-jail-free-card in #382 when he realised he messed up voting Dry-Fit.
Given #383 and the awful Dry-Fit vote (why was the appeal to emotion scummy?), I'm fine with this.

In post 409, aptil wrote:Well the difference is not there . I understood the votes on yuni wagon . So i did not feel necessary to point to every vote and say i got this and got that .
Regarding the people voting Bulba , i found the reasons odd so i was trying to understand the voting pattern there .
So when PV asked if i understood the yuni wagon , i pointed to the post which was one of the main reasons people going that way .
ok.
Now can you tell me some opinions on Dry-Fit and JKLM
please

I can't read you as obv-town when you won't share your thoughts.

Final Analysis

Maxous also had no interest on jumping on the dry fit wagon. He probably figured If was on it and dry fit flipped town he wouldn't have to worry about some of the backlash and Jklm would flipped scum because JKLM is his scum buddy he would get some free town cred. The hesitance reinforces my thoughts that they were of the same team. This would be a great situation to place your vote on down if you were scum.

UNVOTE: Aptil
VOTE: JKLM

I am extremely pissed off at Jklm's flaking because I know deep inside his scum and the way his been playing is because he hates scum. I will be willing to shift my vote to something worth it and if it is active. I thought long and hard about aptil and all the points others brought up about his meta. His just not worth the vote at this point because he just comes off as null.

Bulbazak · Post Post #582 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:26 pm

In post 509, Desperado wrote: @ Bulb: What games are you using to base your metaread?

Mainly this one. Mastin came across as strongly town there, and I'm not getting the same from him here. I'm also looking at his posts and noticing how weak they are stance-wise, and how he's built himself so many outs. Mastin is not giving me the town feels that I got in that game, and I don't think there's a reason why he wouldn't play so strongly in this game than he would in that one.

In post 524, NJAC wrote: BTW: this is my first multiscum game so I'm still trying to understand if typical scumhunting works or not. I also have the impression that multiscum games are a bit easier for us the town, I mean someone (mastin IIRC) mentioned a game where town won because the scum groups killed each other. So that should give us some advantage because scum are trying to get rid of each other. Am I right? Of course I understand there's a balance so this is not going to be that easy, but at least the ice group already helped us to get rid of one scum.

^Worst. Disguise. Ever.

In post 526, NJAC wrote: How does town-mastin post?

Read that game and find out. He does take strong stances, that's for sure. He's not doing so here, and I feel he is more concerned with making sure he has a plan of escape, rather than finding scum.

In post 526, NJAC wrote: Do you think is it possible he's playing safe to avoid being NKed? I mean he says he is a likely target on N1 or N2 in multiscum games, what do you think?

I don't see why he'd be playing it safe, especially since he didn't play it safe when he was IC, and especially since he voiced that he might be killed. Besides, why would he prioritize survival over scumhunting? Even as a PR, that's more dangerous and anti-town than just scumhunting while keeping a low profile.

In post 526, NJAC wrote: Also, is it possible he hasn't had enough time to engage in this game properly?

Know something I don't? Why the strong defense of Mastin?

In post 530, mastin2 wrote:ptil's (relative) lack of experience (and my judgment on his current skill level as a player) combined with his slightly-out-of-place defense of Bulbazak. Nothing's changed it; the only way I can see aptil as scum is if he's scum with Bulbazak. And even if Bulbazak is scum, it's no guarantee of aptil being scum. It's just that if Bulbazak isn't scum, aptil isn't scum either. For the record, yes, I currently lean towards Bulb being scum and aptil being town.

Hmm....

In post 577, aptil wrote:
In post 475, ElectricSavages wrote:
JKLM [5]
- Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, evilpacman18, Maxous

This wagon has at least 3 scum from .
Maxous- confirmed .
Evil ,Toomai - most likely .
Bulbazak- a little less than above two .
Garmr - most unlikely .

Tags Fixed ~JS

You know it is possible that scum could be voting other scum, right?

RachMarie · Post Post #583 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:58 pm

Back from TN and back to regular net, but both NS and I are very ill

more later.

Desperado · Post Post #584 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:38 pm

In post 580, YuniChikako wrote:This posts looks really, really bad. It just seems like a very scummy thing to say.

It's scummy to ask one of my townreads for his thoughts on one of my townreads (that he thinks is scum)?

Desperado · Post Post #585 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:39 pm

In post 581, Garmr wrote:I am extremely pissed off at Jklm's flaking because I know deep inside his scum and the way his been playing is because he hates scum. I will be willing to shift my vote to something worth it and if it is active. I thought long and hard about aptil and all the points others brought up about his meta. His just not worth the vote at this point because he just comes off as null.

Thank you for ringing that bell.

Unvote
Vote: JKLM

Desperado · Post Post #586 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:42 pm

In post 582, Bulbazak wrote:Mainly this one. Mastin came across as strongly town there, and I'm not getting the same from him here. I'm also looking at his posts and noticing how weak they are stance-wise, and how he's built himself so many outs. Mastin is not giving me the town feels that I got in that game, and I don't think there's a reason why he wouldn't play so strongly in this game than he would in that one.

The scumMastin I know hates leaving himself outs and taking weak stances.

Bulbazak · Post Post #587 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:56 pm

In post 586, Desperado wrote: The scumMastin I know hates leaving himself outs and taking weak stances.

How many times have you seen scum Mastin in a multiball game?

Desperado · Post Post #588 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:31 pm

In post 587, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 586, Desperado wrote: The scumMastin I know hates leaving himself outs and taking weak stances.
How many times have you seen scum Mastin in a multiball game?

That's a good point.

Of course, multiball allows scum to appear more genuinely townie by nature. So maybe he's just town.

Bulbazak · Post Post #589 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:36 pm

I think he's playing it very carefully, because he doesn't have to contend with just town this time. He knows that his normal play would probably result in him being killed, and he knows that would be bad for his team (Remember, he's against bussing for similar reasons.). He's laying low, and I read over his posts, and I know for a fact that we're not dealing with town Mastin this game.

NJAC · Post Post #590 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:46 am

Going to read now... will be posting soon.

PeregrineV · Post Post #591 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:33 am

I think I've caught up. Would like to do some more rereading, but probably not going to happen at this point in time.

aptil · Post Post #592 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:22 am

In post 582, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 577, aptil wrote:
In post 475, ElectricSavages wrote:
JKLM [5]
- Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, evilpacman18, Maxous

This wagon has at least 3 scum from .
Maxous- confirmed .
Evil ,Toomai - most likely .
Bulbazak- a little less than above two .
Garmr - most unlikely .

Tags Fixed ~JS
You know it is possible that scum could be voting other scum, right?

Did i say all the people were from 1 faction ? I think both factions are present here .

Bulbazak · Post Post #593 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:51 am

Why don't you think JKLM is scum?

Matias · Post Post #594 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:33 am

Prod dodge, at magfest. Post later.

Slandaar · Post Post #595 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:38 pm

This game is so slow. Ugh.

Toomai · Post Post #596 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:43 pm

This game could probably do with a mass prod.

YuniChikako · Post Post #597 (ISO) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:46 pm

In post 584, Desperado wrote:
In post 580, YuniChikako wrote:This posts looks really, really bad. It just seems like a very scummy thing to say.
It's scummy to ask one of my townreads for his thoughts on one of my townreads (that he thinks is scum)?

Ah, I didn't notice that the question was directed at someone in particular. I guess that makes the question a bit less scummy. But it still doesn't look good to me.

Also, what's with your sudden vote on JKLM? You haven't hardly approached the topic of JKLM, but Garmr brings it up again and boom you're there.

T S O · Post Post #598 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:03 am

In post 589, Bulbazak wrote:I think he's playing it very carefully, because he doesn't have to contend with just town this time. He knows that his normal play would probably result in him being killed, and he knows that would be bad for his team (Remember, he's against bussing for similar reasons.). He's laying low, and I read over his posts, and I know for a fact that we're not dealing with town Mastin this game.

What posts, specifically?

Desperado · Post Post #599 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:24 am

In post 597, YuniChikako wrote:
In post 584, Desperado wrote:
In post 580, YuniChikako wrote:This posts looks really, really bad. It just seems like a very scummy thing to say.
It's scummy to ask one of my townreads for his thoughts on one of my townreads (that he thinks is scum)?
Ah, I didn't notice that the question was directed at someone in particular. I guess that makes the question a bit less scummy. But it still doesn't look good to me.

Also, what's with your sudden vote on JKLM? You haven't hardly approached the topic of JKLM, but Garmr brings it up again and boom you're there.

Garmr reminded me that JKLM hates scum, which he had elaborated on once in a mini that got abandoned.