NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[ElectricSavages]

Votecount 2.3

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aptil [4]

- Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, PeregrineV, Matias

Toomai [2]

- aptil, Yiley

Bulbazak [1]

- mastin2

Yunichikawowwow [1]

-Matias

T S O [1]

- Slandaar

Yiley [1]

- Desperado

Not Voting [6]

- NJAC, T S O, OhGodMyLife, PeregrineV, JKLM, Yunichikawowwow, evilpacman18, RachMarie

With 16 alive, it takes

9[/i]

votes to lynch.

Deadline on 9^th January 2014 at 1900 GMT ((expired on 2014-01-09 19:00:00))

Why ere all my codes messed up. What did I Do wrong?

You'd managed to disable BBCode in the Post Options...

NJAC, who did you replace?

AntiHero, the Opening Post is now up to date by the way.

JKLM has been prodded and has till tommorrow 1700 GMT to respond, Votecount will come about then as well.

Bulbazak, Yunichikawowwow, evilpacman18 and Yiley have also been prodded but have 2 days to respond.

[evilpacman18]

Has it really been 48 hours already? I'll be in after dinner.

[evilpacman18]

mod: are you sure that wagon isn't on aptil?

That's why I had too different wagons for Yuni! Thanks for catching that one ~JS

[Yiley]

I have to get ready for basketball tournament and stuff should be available tonight

[Toomai]

Think that there's definitely scum within lurkers

This guy's a sawed-off genius. :|

I'm considering going back to voting Yiley; I'm still not all that impressed with aptil but his one hammer is probably weaker than Yiley's two days of weak posts.

[Slandaar]

Who is scum besides TSO?

Scum;
Yuni/Toomai/TSO/EPM

Then theres a few mehish, those 4 are the big ones though.

[Slandaar]

We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

How is voting for a terrible hammer not going "on the attack"?

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

You wait until he says something before you unvote.

Vote: aptil

This post is the worst of the lot . He not only votes me but also has other people ready to blame at .
VOTE: Toomai .

I just want to highlight that I really like this post.

[Desperado]

That's 50% right at best. Thoughts on what I said about Toomai?

TSO is town. Yuni's the most likely to be right.

[Desperado]

We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

How is voting for a terrible hammer not going "on the attack"?

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

You wait until he says something before you unvote.

Vote: aptil

This post is the worst of the lot . He not only votes me but also has other people ready to blame at .
VOTE: Toomai .

I just want to highlight that I really like this post.

Why? You're both misreading it.

[Bulbazak]

V/LA until January 2nd.

I'll catch up when I get back.

[NJAC]

Prod dodge. I won't be posting soon due to New Year's Eve. BTW:

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[YuniChikako]

Didn't escape the prod. Am I the only one who couldn't get on here yesterday?

Anyway, I actually like NJAC's drilling to get the details. Now we just need people to actually respond to him.
Desperado seems to be scratching for a reason to vote Yiley. You read him as scummy from only one of his posts. I'm not liking it.

V/LA until the fourth, gonna be doing things this week.

[Toomai]

Desperado seems to be scratching for a reason to vote Yiley. You read him as scummy from only one of his posts. I'm not liking it.

Sometimes one post is all you need. I don't know whether it's enough in this case to vote for, but I've had a negative opinion of him for a little while now.

[Garmr]

I can see JKLM being scum still. But I also saw his last post was on 22nd of December so voting him now would make pressure absolutely useless. So I think I will give the player who enters it a big hard push because I think it's now obvious JKLM will replace out.

The Slaandar vs Tso help reassures me that slaandar is town I have a couple of doubts on tso I find him hard to read as I see him as scum in most my games He rarely appears town. He appears scummier than Usual this game So I support a tso lynch.

Also like someone said before Njac opener post was meh but the following questions were good.

Desps vote on yiley is unexpected not in a bad way through I was kinda losing faith in desp after the Dry fit lynch.

Mastin you mention before pretty much through out day 1 that

-Aptil scum with Bulbazak, or town.

So what do you think linked aptil to bulb and what was the major factor that changed it.

Still a lot player base has remained silent and lurky ....

[T S O]

I can see JKLM being scum still. But I also saw his last post was on 22nd of December so voting him now would make pressure absolutely useless. So I think I will give the player who enters it a big hard push because I think it's now obvious JKLM will replace out.

The Slaandar vs Tso help reassures me that slaandar is town I have a couple of doubts on tso I find him hard to read as I see him as scum in most my games He rarely appears town. He appears scummier than Usual this game So I support a tso lynch.

Also like someone said before Njac opener post was meh but the following questions were good.

Desps vote on yiley is unexpected not in a bad way through I was kinda losing faith in desp after the Dry fit lynch.

Mastin you mention before pretty much through out day 1 that

-Aptil scum with Bulbazak, or town.

So what do you think linked aptil to bulb and what was the major factor that changed it.

Still a lot player base has remained silent and lurky ....

I don't think you've ever seen me as scum.

[Garmr]

@Tso
I haven't yet and that's why I'm hesitant. But the necromancy war as you put it is only happening because you didn't give a definitive answer day 1. Also I think you and Slaandar are going to go on about this for a couple of pages town Slaandar fights hard for what he thinks is right and last time that ended up with a literal 5 page back and forth between him and thor day 1.

[Slandaar]

Thoughts on what I said about Toomai?

Yay, story time! Can I has another Despy?

His tone was wrong.

TSO is town.

Why?

[mastin2]

Derp. Forgot about this game.

I have no interest in starting a necromancy war when his flip completely suits your agenda. I get you've been lining me up since d1, but here isn't where you'll do it.

Ah, yes, necromancy war. You mean that I asked you yesterday numerous times to explain your vote which you failed to do because you didn't want to debate your vote with me. Then once he flips town you cry foul because it is unfair to force you to explain it now as obviously the reasoning is wrong, even though you had multiple opportunities yesterday to do so which would have prevented the whole situation but because he flipped town I am in the wrong.

VOTE: TSO

Lynch this.

Yeeeeeeeeeah, thinkin' Slandaar's scum from this and TSO's not. TSO's handling of the situation is much better than Slandaar's.

Scum;
Yuni/Toomai/TSO/EPM

Then theres a few mehish, those 4 are the big ones though.

I can listen to cases on Toomai and EPM. Not so for Yuni or TSO.

I'll take another look at Desp's reasoning when my head's more in the game, but I like his take on Toomai from a skim.

aptil [4] - Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, PeregrineV, Matias

I need to take another nice, good, long look at everyone (not just the five [

Mod: that number needs fixing

] listed here) who's voted aptil, because this wagon having built so fast and lingered so long is once again a very bad sign. (In particular, the towniest name on the wagon right now is Garmr. I'm scumreading Bulbazak, remember having a scumread on PV, and remember having a bad read on Matias, too.)

Mastin you mention before pretty much through out day 1 that

-Aptil scum with Bulbazak, or town.

So what do you think linked aptil to bulb and what was the major factor that changed it.

aptil's (relative) lack of experience (and my judgment on his current skill level as a player) combined with his slightly-out-of-place defense of Bulbazak. Nothing's changed it; the only way I can see aptil as scum is if he's scum with Bulbazak. And even if Bulbazak is scum, it's no guarantee of aptil being scum. It's just that if Bulbazak isn't scum, aptil isn't scum either. For the record, yes, I currently lean towards Bulb being scum and aptil being town.

[Toomai]

aptil [4] - Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, PeregrineV, Matias

Matias never voted aptil.

That's the error, not the number.

I've decided I'm done with aptil for now.

Vote: Yiley

His Day 2 is much worse than aptil's, and I think this needs to be elaborated better:

It is being reflexively defensive. Instead of looking for good legitimate scumreads, people are being reflexive and jumping on to a wagon with little to no reasoning and bad reasoning if any.
VOTE: toomai

So now explain how that vote of yours is not reflexive and doesn't have little reasoning.

Your poor reasoning is what I'm attacking here

[evilpacman18]

Pacman because he laughably suggested I was white knighting in a multi-ball game (hes scum not on Dry's team and assumes I am not hence white knight - it is the only way to come to that conclusion)

I meant to ask, how do you define white knight?

Well lets look at this another way; my definition doesn't matter because white knighting only works when the defendant is town. I cannot know this in multiball (know) this means I read the situation correctly and acted accordingly In a pro-town manner. This apparently means you think I am scum but why wouldn't I act in a pro-town fashion as town? I am curious.

I think you also meant to say what I was avoiding posting my opinion on.

Yeah see we definitely define it differently. I might be wrong on how I think of it, cuz it seems like nobody agrees on the term so I should probably just stop saying it but white knighting to me is generally faking one's interest in the good of the town. People who preoccupy themselves with attacking anti-town instead of scumhunting. It's been so long and I've been so out of this game that I don't even remember what you did that I accused you of white knighting for though. I'll have to go back later.

[Yiley]

aptil [4] - Bulbazak, Garmr, Toomai, PeregrineV, Matias

Matias never voted aptil.

That's the error, not the number.

I've decided I'm done with aptil for now.

Vote: Yiley

His Day 2 is much worse than aptil's, and I think this needs to be elaborated better:

It is being reflexively defensive. Instead of looking for good legitimate scumreads, people are being reflexive and jumping on to a wagon with little to no reasoning and bad reasoning if any.
VOTE: toomai

So now explain how that vote of yours is not reflexive and doesn't have little reasoning.

Your poor reasoning is what I'm attacking here

Nice OMGUS vote lol

[aptil]

We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

How is voting for a terrible hammer not going "on the attack"?

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

You wait until he says something before you unvote.

Vote: aptil

This post is the worst of the lot . He not only votes me but also has other people ready to blame at .
VOTE: Toomai .

I just want to highlight that I really like this post.

Why? You're both misreading it.

Just look he has done what i thought he would do . Vote one of yuni or Yiley after that initial thing . For me to believe him he had to make those findings in seperate posts .

[T S O]

Mastin, 2 things.

1. [FANBOY]Adored the Pompeii-Bastille flavor in NY164![/FANBOY]

2. Explain how I handled the necromancy-cum-accusation better than Slandaar.

[Slandaar]

Yeeeeeeeeeah, thinkin' Slandaar's scum from this and TSO's not. TSO's handling of the situation is much better than Slandaar's.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah No.

Do you think it is acceptable to not explain your vote Mastin?

I wanted TSO to explain why he voted Dry, he did not, I asked him again, he again did not, I then ask him after Dry flips, he does not, so I proceed to ask why he won't at which point instead of producing a reason why he hadn't explained he explains his vote. Then proceeds to elaborate about how he won't go into it due to it being a necromancy war thus completely suiting my agenda and I have been lining him up since D1 both of which are laughable as all he had to do was answer the original question. All I did was simply ask the question repeatedly.

It isn't town.

I play the not explaining card a lot and know that when you do you always understand you will have to explain the vote at some point, he didn't grasp this, his reaction to me is ludicrous, he cannot expect to not explain his vote, this is scum faking townmeta. Even if I were scum this would still stand so you should take note.

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On a different topic, Yuni and PV were the only two to vote both Dry and Aptil, this is noteworthy because it is voting the person who hammered a person they thought was scum. Probably something in that.

Well. No reason given from Aptil to vote Dry-fit, this is certainly interesting. TSO, I'd like to know why you seem to dismiss that hammer. Possible maf partner noted.
Oh my gosh Maxous

was

maf. I feel so happy.

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I agree with T S O April isn't neccesarily mafia just for a hammer. We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

I guess I can see that. I still don't like it, because this might even be what he wants.
I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

How is voting for a terrible hammer not going "on the attack"?

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

You wait until he says something before you unvote.

Inno until convincingly guilty. Right now, aptil isn't convincingly guilty, unless he's a very very silly maf, or attempting wifom.

This also reads completely fake.

[Slandaar]

Yeah see we definitely define it differently. I might be wrong on how I think of it, cuz it seems like nobody agrees on the term so I should probably just stop saying it but white knighting to me is generally faking one's interest in the good of the town. People who preoccupy themselves with attacking anti-town instead of scumhunting. It's been so long and I've been so out of this game that I don't even remember what you did that I accused you of white knighting for though. I'll have to go back later.

So, if I were scum I wouldn't know if Dry is town or scum, so how can I fake the interest of the town?

I still want you to tell me what I wasn't posting my opinion on too, you probably should refresh your memory about that when you check what you said I was white knighting.