NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[MC Maraca]

But larger? It might be, but with masons instead of innocent child.

[Cephrir]

Oh, that's what you were pointing out. Well then.

[Empire]

Day 2, Votecount 9

Ser Arthur Dayne (4)

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Casso the King of Seals, Bert, Desperado, Cephrir

Bert (2)

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KoreanBBQ, Ser Arthur Dayne

Desperado (1)

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Sakura Hana

pieguyn (1)

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DOMO

Not Voting (10)

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geists, MC Maraca, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, MafiaSSK, pieguyn, BROseidon, Norlkaz, zMuffinMan, Generic, goodmorning

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch! Deadline is on January 11th at 10:10 AM EST (expired on 2014-01-11 11:10:12)

Mod Notes

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BROseidon is V/LA until January 3rd. Generic is V/LA until Monday.

[KoreanBBQ]

Oh yay I have a read.
That feels like a really awkward entrance. I arrived to the party late and I'm daunted by having to play ctach up. He comes in and immediately puts his pawns in place. That doesn't feel much like a town entrance to me.

Agreed, but his explanation did clear it up for me somewhat.

What explanation did you like?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD, why is BBQ in the same group as pie and BRO? How is BBQ less town than I am? BBQ claimed vanilla and self voted in an attempt to sacrifice himself. If that's a scum move, it's a very good one.

Because nero is crazy enough to do that as any alignment? And as I said, that tier really deserves to be split into two, because KoreanBBQ is the epitome of null, with anything higher being scummy and anything lower being townie.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm also if there's a gunsmith it would be interesting to make mafiassk a mafia doctor, at least out of a setup point of view.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The setup would work really neat with a town vig that comes out as having a gun, a mafia doc that comes out as not having a gun (and mafia doc that can protect from the vig's shots).

(Meh basically what MC posted of 167?)

[DOMO]

Hmm also if there's a gunsmith it would be interesting to make mafiassk a mafia doctor, at least out of a setup point of view.

Ok I'm down with a SAD lynch. I'm not liking him pointing at SSK specifically here, when geists or anyone else for that matter could be scum doc. This could be scum using set-up spec to try to get us to lynch off the town doc, leaving me unprotected.

vote SAD

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not liking him pointing at SSK specifically here, when geists or anyone else for that matter could be scum doc.

... Because... he actually claimed doc already?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And I already said I suspect his claim so it's quite silly to vote me on it now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This could be scum using set-up spec to try to get us to lynch off the town doc, leaving me unprotected.

Yes, my words will surely motive the whole town to suddenly jump on mafiassk and shred him to pieces, especially considering I am a beacon of innocence. Follow me, my legion of blind followers!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

motivate*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also I love how you ignored the fact Ceph and MCM literally thought/speculated on the same thing (I'm assuming so?), and I literally put it into clearer words.

[DOMO]

... Because... he actually claimed doc already?

Indeed he did, hence I don't want to see him lynched today.

I'm not just voting for you for that comment alone, I came close to doing so after empire posted the last VC, seeing as you're on 4 and pie 1, with both of you in my lynch list. I'm happy for now.

Also I love how you ignored the fact Ceph and MCM literally thought/speculated on the same thing (I'm assuming so?), and I literally put it into clearer words.

MCM is town, and ceph's comments haven't gone unnoticed. If he was on 4 instead of you, I'd probably vote him instead.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Cool. I'm going to get lynched because people are sheeping each other (steaming from the nacho vote) because people are too lazy to push their own wagons.

Just like the D1 lynch.

[DOMO]

I'm going to get lynched because people are sheeping each other

Well personally I like it when people sheep each other, it makes it harder for scum to control the wagons.

And this is nothing like d1. SC got lynched due to sakura's wagon collapsing near deadline. You're getting wagonned because so far five people think you're scummy, or are at least pretending to.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So who's good enough to analyze mafiassk's whopping 34 posts for scum-relationship tells if he flips scum?

Tammy responded to this defense as if this wasn't something you cared about normally, which alarmed me. Why did you start caring about them here?

VOTE: SAD

aye

Vote: SAD

VOTE: Arthur

Sheeping Casso because I also agree with them.

^ These votes are an example of how awesome my wagon is.

At least Bert had the dignity to find his own reason (it's too bad he's scum but w/e)

[DOMO]

So why would you think that the person who has reason to vote you is scum, while the half arsed cases are town?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Based on the gunsmith claim, I am more suspicious of MafiaSSK. I think a mafia doc fits the setup well. I don't discount the possibility of him being a town doc and someone else being a mafia doc so I am somewhat ambivalent. I am thinking if there is a protective town PR, they should claim so that mafiassk can be lynched. Not sure if that is the optimal move yet so I'd rather have more discussion about this.

Desperado, can you explain your scumread on Giests and your townread on BRO? I have the opposite feeling about Geists and BRO isn't one of my townreads.

Arthur, can you explain your townread on me? You seemed fairly sure I was scum before but now you have me as one of the least scummy. Also, I'd like to know the reasons for your scumreads on Desperado and Geists. Elaboration on your Bert scumread beyond Nero's case would help as well (assuming that is why you voted him). I don't have scumreads on any of those players.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

you're getting wagonned because so far five people think you're scummy, or are at least pretending to.

1/5 are voting for a reason I already defended, 2/5 are sheeping because "aye" and they "agree" with the reason I already defended, 1/5 is voting because of a true statement I made that they linked to something out of someone else's meta and are trying to call me scum based on it, and 1/5 are voting partly because it's the highest wagon currently and partly because of a comment I made that 2 people already indirectly made and was made in support of something I had already made previously.

Did I hit the nail on the head?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So why would you think that the person who has reason to vote you is scum, while the half arsed cases are town?

See above.

Basically because the reason is far worse and contrived than the sheeping.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And it basically looks like he's attempting to make up a reason to jump on the wagon so he can look like he's honestly scumhunting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Based on the gunsmith claim, I am more suspicious of MafiaSSK. I think a mafia doc fits the setup well. I don't discount the possibility of him being a town doc and someone else being a mafia doc so I am somewhat ambivalent. I am thinking if there is a protective town PR, they should claim so that mafiassk can be lynched. Not sure if that is the optimal move yet so I'd rather have more discussion about this.

^ That's my partner right there right DOMO?

Desperado, can you explain your scumread on Giests and your townread on BRO? I have the opposite feeling about Geists and BRO isn't one of my townreads.

Arthur, can you explain your townread on me?

You benefit literally 0 from the Tammy kill, and in fact, lose a lot.

Also, I'd like to know the reasons for your scumreads on Desperado and Geists.

Desp is in the caterogy of either "horrendously terrible or scum". I'm choosing to believe the latter. And Geists was mostly out of a gut-reaction based on an ISO and PoE.

Elaboration on your Bert scumread beyond Nero's case would help as well (assuming that is why you voted him).

See above.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Desperado, can you explain your scumread on Giests and your townread on BRO? I have the opposite feeling about Geists and BRO isn't one of my townreads.

Sorry, failed quote. Doesn't belong in my post.

[DOMO]

> softclaims a PR that was intended to be noticed by others
> accuse ppl of rolefishing

I missed this post or BBQ's.

DOMO, why choose Geists to target with your role?

BBQ, that is rolefishing. At this stage, I had not claimed, I was in the process of a messy crumb and WIFOM. F-16 here asks directly why I looked up geists. Why would he want that clarified? Only reason I can think is so he can determine if I'm PR or gambit. Where's the town motivation there?

^ That's my partner right there right DOMO?

Funnily enough I was just starting to think that myself.

You benefit literally 0 from the Tammy kill, and in fact, lose a lot.

This would support a SAD-F16 team.