Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[shos]

Well its confirmable in both of yous cases only in d3. Ill bet that one neighbourizer is scum and the other town. Or, at least, if theres more, one is scum and all the others town.

[Wisdom]

mhm, that's how I think it is.

[shos]

Well scum ain't whiskers.

[shos]

Questionis what is more likely scum, matt or mala.
Or rather, which lynch is worse for scum.

I think mala should still be taken first.

Because if matt is scu neighbour, well, then he is not scum PR.

[havingfitz]

Up through page 15. Hope to be caught up sometime this afternoon.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, Mala is a better lynch than Matt, no doubt about that.

[Desperado]

i love early mass claims

i'd join in but everyone will know who I am and what I do at some point anyway so there's no incentive

[penguin_alien]

Just seems like you're hedging on some of your reads leaving a LOT LOT LOT of opportunity to change it.

I'm hunting a lot besides you, but I have a lot of town reads due to it rather than scum reads.

Your FoS on me just seems OMGUS-like.

I'm just shocked on how you haven't moved your vote onto me since it's pretty obvious your vote on Mirari is just idle-like of a vote. (Then you can say the same for mine, but I have a glimpse of support.) I kinda get the feeling you're trying to keep your distance or you really feel 'confident' in your Mirari vote.

Blech league game, byeee

I don't need to hedge to change my reads later. The nature of the game is that stuff happens to cause reads to change.

I happen to like my Mirari vote. I think there's been a lot of easy dismissal of stuff coming from the slot (like, 'Oh, we play IRL with a different group of people and scum-Mirari there acts differently, so this is town-Mirari!') and I have no problem sticking with it. It certainly puts Mirari's tail in a twist, and I want to see what else he comes up with.

Speaking of which:

What's protown? She's 'scum-reading' the person who's voting you? Why the weird phrasing about you liking the wagon on me because she was on it, given that that was an understated characterization seeing as she's pushed it the entire game so far?

I think she's town for opinions during the game. Everything seems off the cuff and the like. The only one that is going to end up with egg on their face for pushing a lynch is you that's for damn sure. Only warning.

No, that's a nice projection of your own opinions though. She's attacking you strongly when she could be appeasing you. You two play with each other a lot, it would be better strategy to kill you silently rather than go for a lynch against you.

I'll give you an analogy... people claiming global warming exists citing their own personal observations of ecology isn't going to hold much weight. When a PhD person in ecology and the like comes in and says global warming exists citing observations, the legitimacy of the claim goes up. Do you disagree?
I know you and mala are in a hydra right now from looking into you that's why I think she can read you accurately. that was around when I noticed mala was on your wagon and I thought "this is more credible". it is also why I think your approach to her is more generally "safe scum". You scumreading her right now looks like the least confrontational path to that conclusion you could have taken after many days of delay.

I love this post

Yeah...I don't. Prior evidence indicates that Mala hardly has a PhD in reading me. Every time she's gone after me hard she's been wrong. She's been suspicious of me when I'm scum, but not in an all-encompassing "this is scum-PA, lynch it with fire" kind of way.

As far as hydraing with someone, sure, it might give you insight into their game, but seeing as we have no completed hydra games, this isn't an argument I can delve into ATM.

Basically, Mirari's post reeks of confirmation-bias. Which I still find interesting given that he didn't comment on Mala at all prior to the PA wagon observation.

I have not forgotten about my vote. Although Mala bugging mollie for a read on her is making me strongly consider Mala-scum.

So I noted this and waited for you to post, tried to engage so I knew you were following along.

Why call this alignment indictive, but when Grim does the same exact thing you say nothing, I litteraly mean nothing out of it?

Just went through GG's iso from before this point, and I don't see anywhere where he asks someone how they're reading him. He asks why they're interacting with them in particular ways, he asks what they think of their own play. Not the same thing. Can you quote what you're talking about?


MattP claiming neighborizer is anti-town as all get-out. If nothing else, he's telling scum that he has a role that isn't worth NKing. With no lynch pressure on him, I'm not seeing any reason to claim like that as town. Besides not feeling like reading through what was already in the thread, MattP, why claim at that time?

Having said that, given the limited number of potential characters, I'm not sure there's any reason not to mass flavor claim now. Possibly in a more typical theme it would be more of a power giveaway, but everyone's a deity here, so. Eliminating scum's ability to switch fakeclaims if they have them is to the good. I can't see the harm. Don't think I've played in a game where flavor's been mass-claimed D1, but we're quickly moving toward that happening anyways.

[Wisdom]

penguin, would you switch to Mala if there's no support for Mirari (which most likely there isn't)?

[Desperado]

Having said that, given the limited number of potential characters, I'm not sure there's any reason not to mass flavor claim now. Possibly in a more typical theme it would be more of a power giveaway, but everyone's a deity here, so. Eliminating scum's ability to switch fakeclaims if they have them is to the good. I can't see the harm. Don't think I've played in a game where flavor's been mass-claimed D1, but we're quickly moving toward that happening anyways.

fuck yeah

I'm

Hades

[Desperado]

awww the smiley fucked up

[penguin_alien]

penguin, would you switch to Mala if there's no support for Mirari (which most likely there isn't)?

Yes, although I'd be grumpy that there's no support for Mirari.

What do you think about mass flavor claiming after MattP explains what the hell he was thinking claiming neighborizer at this time?

[penguin_alien]

Having said that, given the limited number of potential characters, I'm not sure there's any reason not to mass flavor claim now. Possibly in a more typical theme it would be more of a power giveaway, but everyone's a deity here, so. Eliminating scum's ability to switch fakeclaims if they have them is to the good. I can't see the harm. Don't think I've played in a game where flavor's been mass-claimed D1, but we're quickly moving toward that happening anyways.

fuck yeah

I'm

Hades

There you go, brother!

[Desperado]

Much better.

Who are you?

[ooba]

Matt, why did you claim?

[penguin_alien]

Having said that, given the limited number of potential characters, I'm not sure there's any reason not to mass

flavor claim now

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liminating scum's ability to switch fakeclaims if they have them is to the good.

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't think I've played in a game where flavor's been mass-claimed D1, but we're quickly moving toward that happening anyways.

Poseidon. Figured people might get tetchy about the mass flavor claim idea, and I figured I should put my money where my mouth was.

'brother' was also there for that reason...!

[Desperado]

I could lie and told you I knew that Hades and Poseidon were brothers, but I didn't.

[Desperado]

Yet another example of me being completely terrible with bread crumbs.

[Wisdom]

What do you think about mass flavor claiming

I'm against any kind of claiming so early, but apparently you guys are doing it anyway.

[Desperado]

The downside to flavor claim now is...?

[penguin_alien]

Why not flavor claiming at this juncture? We're basically going to get flavor from Whiskers, GG, and whoever gets run up today. Plus MattP's out there. When everyone's a god, it's less telling to scum. And since flavor seems to line up with role, it'll reduce scum shenanigans down the road.

[Wisdom]

The downside to flavor claim now is...?

Scum might get ideas as to who might have what power?

[Desperado]

The downside to flavor claim now is...?

Scum might get ideas as to who might have what power?

OK.

What do you think my power is?

[ooba]

Not interested in mass claiming - sorry.

You cannot accurately predict downsides to the flavor claim - scum having a deathnote, scum role blocker who can block if he names the character, scum getting extra powers if they kill particular roles (my previous game had that for killing Poseidon and Zeus - they had tokens that gave special powers).

Not to mention, if it's smart scum, they can deduce possible roles based on flavor\what's already claimed and can kill off the more powerful roles.

[Desperado]

Same question to you Ooba