NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[geists]

@pieguyn

Nati thought that Tammy wasn't being as open as he would expect. I haven't played enough with her to have strong expectations, and prefer to just watch people who know her better sort her. I sometimes consider initiating some conflict if I can't get a read on Tammy otherwise, but generally not within the first day or 3 of Day 1. In last nights argument, Tammy posted something that I thought sounded genuine town, so have her in my townpile.

I never really had a townread of BRO in the touhou game. Was conflicted because Mac did townread him and was scumreading TNE instead. For me, there's a really big difference between his interactions in this game and that one and it starts quite early. Compare BRO's interactions with Cabd and me in this game and his interactions with us as Morph in that game.

I suck at reading goodmorning. I've played with scum-her twice, thought she was scummy and then backed away because I've been in on her mislynch. Oddly enough, I played a small offsite game with her a while back, but didn't know it was her. She went by another name. She was scum and I hammered her to win the game for town IIRC. Maybe I read her better if I don't know who she is.

I think MC Maraca is town. Could be fooling myself but I think I've had some breakthroughs in figuring out his town game.

Don't have an opinion on Sakura. I'll read your interactions wth her tomorrow sometime and see what I think.

[Cephrir]

Maybe I'll get around to this tomorrow if I feel like procrastinating.

In the meantime kindly stop bloody posting.

[Generic]

If someone could explain to me the point to crohrirs recent posts that would be great thanks.

Cos at present ISOing him merely helps me understand why I get so much shit when I enter unhelpful wanker mode in a game.

[Generic]

Crohrirs = cephrir

[DOMO]

You were the only damn town player in the Oz game. It was like a crash course in DOMO-reading.

Unfortunately I misread your role as townish and you were scummish, although friendly to me. I think the only time I recall you being proper scum was in hydra with bulba, and it was him I was able to read. I might have problems with you when you're scum.

DOMO, can you link me to a couple of scum games of yours?

Yeah NY 165 is an excellent game to read for recent scum meta.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29163

My only other scum game on this site (I think) is NY 159 as rev -
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... roflcopter

I would not say the rev game is a particularly good example, I was new to the site and used that to my advantage, basically lurking the shit out of it after replacing into a fucked scumteam. Read NY 165, I was scum with BRO cabd and ceph and we won (hi5). ffery has nightmares about this game.

[geists]

You were the only damn town player in the Oz game. It was like a crash course in DOMO-reading.

Unfortunately I misread your role as townish and you were scummish, although friendly to me. I think the only time I recall you being proper scum was in hydra with bulba, and it was him I was able to read. I might have problems with you when you're scum.

In an ordinary game I would have been horribly scummish in a burn it out root and branch way. In that game, I realized before the end of day 1 that for most players, their wincon would probably get easier if I recruited them. I felt bad for the players I was leaving to their own devices.

Then I found out that I could make the wincon of some players I didn't recruit easier, too, by recruiting their enemies.

I would never have expected that being cult leader would feel like such a townish role. And I doubt it will seem very townish if I ever draw it again. Oz was pretty unique.

This would have been a nightmarish player list to draw scum in. Worse than Xenoblade because everyone in this player list has seen my town game multiple times and several of them have seen my scum game as well. I'd still be off in a corner crying about it.

Anyway. Given our past games I expected you'd find me calling you town a bit troubling, but not fly-into-the-rafters alarming. Your reaction hit the right notes.

Cabd, your thoughts?

[Empire]

Day 1, Votecount 16

KoreanBBQ (6)

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Brian Skies, Tammy, MafiaSSK, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana, pieguyn

Stuffed Crust (2)

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Cephrir, KoreanBBQ

talah (1)

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MC Maraca

MC Maraca (1)

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pitoli

Casso the King of Seals (1)

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BROseidon

geists (1)

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Generic

goodmorning (1)

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talah

BROseidon (1)

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Stuffed Crust

Tammy (1)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Generic (1)

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goodmorning

Not Voting (4)

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roflcopter, Desperado, geists, DOMO

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch! Deadline is on December 20th at 3:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2013-12-20 16:44:27)

Mod Notes

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Ms Marangal head of MC Maraca is V/LA for a week.

[Desperado]

new plan:

1. don't read
2. hammer first l-1 wagon
3. ???
4. profit

[Desperado]

i've never lynched scum d1 in a large anyway so fuck it

[Generic]

i've never lynched scum d1 in a large anyway so fuck it

So fucking defeatist...

I got the aversion to reading over the whole thing up to now, I would have been hesitant, but at least quiz a few people. How about you and I have a throw down, that usually gets you in the swing... You fucking loser

[Desperado]

not defeatist, statement of fact

ive played ~8 larges here and the only d1 scum lynch a) took

forever

and b) involved me mistakenly bussing the shit out of her

[geists]

I suck at reading goodmorning. I've played with scum-her twice, thought she was scummy and then backed away because I've been in on her mislynch.

Actually I misremembered here. The first game where I backed away from lynching her when she was scum, it was actually our second game. Our first, where I helped her get mislynched (though didn't actually vote - just dithered around with the actual scum (Mac!) at L-1 until someone else hammered her) went on much longer. The second game ended before the first one got through day 3 where she was lynched.

I can feel Mac and GiF smirking as they read this post.

[KoreanBBQ]

Korean's ISO is a massive ball of fluff. So many posts with so little content.
korean, I'm assuming your ISO is mostly nero?

This is pretty funny. I only have like 14 fluff posts but anyways, this comes across as angry/OMGUSy since I already had a slight scum read on the slot. I mean, when I said that I didn’t like Domo his TWO in games posts were “Really? 17 pages already?” and “I have no idea what's going on. Is it still RVS?”

Have I ever played you or nero as DOMO?

No. I think you played with me as REV though.

Your seemingly-blank-looking-null read on Casso doesn't help anyone either ♫

Have...you even offered a read on this slot? Y'know, as long as you're complaining others haven't?

Hey, ScumBBQ, whassup?

Hey and yes.

I want drama.

dayvig korea

It's not a gambit, honest. You scum?

nope. If you really have vig powers can you shoot Hana? KTHXBI.

It also amuses me greatly that Nero now has a 2013 join date.

my greatest shame.

If GM is scum this game I will eat my hat.

You don't think that Thor made a goof point about GM wanting to ISO folks for reads on page 8? ‘Cause I rather like that.

In the meantime kindly stop bloody posting.

no. More posts=more information=more scumhunting.

Despo-Why aren't you playing this game?

Talah-How would voting me help you get a read on me?

[Sakura Hana]

So Nero you dont quote anything from me nor ask me anything yet you're alright with me getting Dayvig'd

[KoreanBBQ]

yes? How observant.

[KoreanBBQ]

Oh also, I think the discussion about Skies not having time to push anyone else is kinda lame. He posted on page 19 so...

Brian apparently has scumreads on F-16 and Bro. But I guess when he posts again he can come back and clarify.

I don't particularly find the players on my wagon to be scummy save for SSK and

MAYBE

Skies.

As of right now this head is looking for scum in Gen, Cephir, Desp, SSK, GM, Talah for scum with lesser suspicions on Cabd/mara, Skies and Domo.

[MafiaSSK]

not defeatist, statement of fact

ive played ~8 larges here and the only d1 scum lynch a) took

forever

and b) involved me mistakenly bussing the shit out of her

And so that gives you a valid excuse to not read? Come on, Desp I know you can do better than that.

[Nero Cain]

Also Heinz 57>A1

[KoreanBBQ]

Also Heinz 57>A1

Also, unless I see reasoning from SSK I am (and you all should too) consider it a scum claim.

[MafiaSSK]

Also Heinz 57>A1

Also, unless I see reasoning from SSK I am (and you all should too) consider it a scum claim.

First off, A1 over everything. EVERYTHING.

Secondly, what's a scum claim? Because I don't see one anywhere.

[KoreanBBQ]

You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"

vote:SSK

[MafiaSSK]

You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"

vote:SSK

Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.

[Sakura Hana]

You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.

Neither did yours

Your votes are too reactive.

So was mine, why didnt you question it?

Unvote
Vote: SSK

[geists]

You just claimed scum when I asked you for your reasoning of why you jumped on my wagon and you were all like "what? who?"

vote:SSK

Oh, you did ask? Mostly gut. I was also, you know the third vote or L-8.
But I mean I went through a quick ISO glance as well to not find that much beneficial town content. You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes. Your votes are too reactive.
If you see that as me claiming scum, cool stuff bro.

Someone who hydras with Nati should at least vaguely understand that it's the timing and tempo of events in the game that explain GiF's votes.

[KoreanBBQ]

Well your gut sucks.

You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.

but neither did you.

And I did give reasoning behind Gen.

This head has never put down a SRS vote until the vote on you.

If you think "not beneficial content" is a scum tell please explain why Domo's 413 and 546 were beneficial? What did pitoli post that was beneficial? What Stuffed Crust posted that was beneficial? What was beneficial from Desp and Talah?

'cause the reasoning that you are using applies to others as well so FMPOV it looks like you just hopping on a wagon and calling it a day.