Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[shos]

*sigh* I have comments to make about the 20 posts that ninjad me but I really don't ahve the power to. tmorow.

[MattP]

I also now think Shos is probably town, which makes me annoyed and paranoid at the majority of the player list

[Nachomamma8]

You think it felt natural this time Nacho?

Because it felt like she was putting on a show to me. I feel like town Mollie would have whipped out the chair wayyyyy before she did.

The timing was good. It felt like an attempt to grab Whiskers's attention once she settled on him and he started ignoring her; the quick ooba vote shows she wasn't really feeling Whiskers entirely until the recent exchange.

Ooba and I live together. We can read each other well.

This is decent info. How sure are you of oobatown? What do you think of him not townreading you yet?

Pedit: the votes onnacho and whiskers were not real. They were bait for you. AGAIN! If you read my posts youll find that ive already said that.

Why do you continue to bait Wisdom when you already find a strong read on him?

You think it felt natural this time Nacho?

Because it felt like she was putting on a show to me. I feel like town Mollie would have whipped out the chair wayyyyy before she did.

The timing was good. It felt like an attempt to grab Whiskers's attention once she settled on him and he started ignoring her; the quick ooba vote shows she wasn't really feeling Whiskers entirely until the recent exchange.

Ooba and I live together. We can read each other well.

This is decent info. How sure are you of oobatown? What do you think of him not townreading you yet?

Pedit: the votes onnacho and whiskers were not real. They were bait for you. AGAIN! If you read my posts youll find that ive already said that.

Why do you continue to bait Wisdom when you already found a strong read on him?

[Nachomamma8]

I also now think Shos is probably town, which makes me annoyed and paranoid at the majority of the player list

why? what was so good about the latest wall?

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

k shos can be town. I liked his case, it's what I expect from people who don't know me and my playstyle.

VOTE: penguin

[Nachomamma8]

so. the way I see it, wisdom is scum. because he is always on the largest wagon. because he pushes MANY lynches, and drops them all except for me. because he has like 5 conftowns in D1, one of them is from the first page. because he takes any reason to vote, without thinking. because he refuses to say WHY he is so adamant about lynching me - it is obvious, and if you don't see it - you're stupid. because when forced to bring up ANYTHING to support his lynch, he blatantly lies. because he says that X is scummy, and if 1, 2, 3, 4 people do X, then only person 3 is scum. because he buddied Matt in ways that I really couldn't imagine, and ffs, I just wrote to GG that I loved him.

who cares if he's on the largest wagon?
what's bad on pushing many lynches?
why would he stop on you?
why do a lot of strong townreads matter? why are early townreads bad?
what's wrong with voting easily? how can you say he hasn't been thinking?
why is excessive buddying scummy?

[Wisdom]

Mala why is that all you're posting?

[MattP]

I also now think Shos is probably town, which makes me annoyed and paranoid at the majority of the player list

why? what was so good about the latest wall?

I didn't read it. I'm a sucker for walls though. Hey, do you think Wisdom just really really is blindly buddying me because he trusts me or because he's scum and took advantage of having a vocal player on his side and has been subtly attempting to redirect my pushes to town members?

[Nachomamma8]

Because he trusts you. I don't think that he would be so incredibly jumpy as scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Like when you have someone's ear as scum you push scumpartner + townie, back up the strong townie on your scumpartner then pull a subtle shift to a townie. Wisdom's current play isn't anything close to that at all.

[shos]

*sigh* apparantly I'm here if anyone's online, ima post.

[shos]

Why do you continue to bait Wisdom when you already found a strong read on him?

well unlike wisdom my way of playing is reading people and also explaining my reads. those baits are meant to help me show you why he is scum

[shos]

UNVOTE:

k shos can be town. I liked his case, it's what I expect from people who don't know me and my playstyle.

VOTE: penguin

you liked my case on you so you dropped your case on me

immediately after matt does so too.

am I hallucinating

[MattP]

yeah thats what really set me off, especially because I knew my reason was silly and he buddied right away. I just think it's very statistically crazy that he would just so happen to townread you for legit reason the moment I did for a completely different, silly reason

[Nachomamma8]

Why do you continue to bait Wisdom when you already found a strong read on him?

well unlike wisdom my way of playing is reading people and also explaining my reads. those baits are meant to help me show you why he is scum

Run me through why Wisdom's reactions to bait make him scum again.

[shos]

so. the way I see it, wisdom is scum. because he is always on the largest wagon. because he pushes MANY lynches, and drops them all except for me. because he has like 5 conftowns in D1, one of them is from the first page. because he takes any reason to vote, without thinking. because he refuses to say WHY he is so adamant about lynching me - it is obvious, and if you don't see it - you're stupid. because when forced to bring up ANYTHING to support his lynch, he blatantly lies. because he says that X is scummy, and if 1, 2, 3, 4 people do X, then only person 3 is scum. because he buddied Matt in ways that I really couldn't imagine, and ffs, I just wrote to GG that I loved him.

who cares if he's on the largest wagon?
what's bad on pushing many lynches?
why would he stop on you?
why do a lot of strong townreads matter? why are early townreads bad?
what's wrong with voting easily? how can you say he hasn't been thinking?
why is excessive buddying scummy?

missing the point - he is on ALL the largest wagons.
missing the point - he shouldn't, but point is he needs to THINK. he did those without thinking.
because if you have too many townreads that's practically like lining up lynches. you don't call the entire scumteam on D1, and you also don't narrow the pool to 3.000001 people. and early townreads are bad because they have a very weak basis, and he kept hanging on to them.
jumping votes is scummy imo. townies don't do that, they pick their target and pressure him until they decide A or B. it's like voting everyone in unlimited++. I can say that because he failed to answer practiacly every question I directd\ed at him.
buddying is ok. excessive is not.

[Grimgroove]

I also liked shos' last wall. Minus the girlfriend-bit (:mad: Who is she? )

[shos]

yeah thats what really set me off, especially because I knew my reason was silly and he buddied right away. I just think it's very statistically crazy that he would just so happen to townread you for legit reason the moment I did for a completely different, silly reason

+1.

Why do you continue to bait Wisdom when you already found a strong read on him?

well unlike wisdom my way of playing is reading people and also explaining my reads. those baits are meant to help me show you why he is scum

Run me through why Wisdom's reactions to bait make him scum again.

ok.
I took a random, long post by whiskers. really, random, didn't even read it. I brambled bullshit in caps over it and voted. whiskers was at the time practically the only person standing beside me when everyone was raining votes on me iirc.

that was in the middle of a discussion with wisdom. after it, he immediately voted me. no words. no questions. no thinking. but okay, who knows.
later, when I pointed it out, he said that vote wasn't related at all to that post. coincidentally it was one after the other, but really, it was that he was not suspecting whiskers anymore.

thing is, wisdom posted many times between whiskers' last post and that "unvote". so why then? why not earlier? smells like a lie.

I'm 99% of the cases in a lynch all liars.

[shos]

Spoiler: this post is entirely offtopic

I also liked shos' last wall. Minus the girlfriend-bit (:mad: Who is she? )

don't worry hun she's not from this site I really tried to make her come here to practice english for our SATs, but she refuses

[Wisdom]

shos, I'll try this once. If you want to listen, good, otherwise feel free to scumread me for the remainder of the game, I don't particularly care.

Everything you pointed out are playstyle tells. All those things are things I do as town (and as scum) all the time. Now, my playstyle is anti-town on its own, because as Whiskers pointed out, my scumhunting is very egocentric and I fail to work with town. The arrogance this produces makes people who don't know me believe I am scum, because I act as one as opposed to as part of a group. I have been attempting to change that following a recent game that my behavior destroyed the game, but it's not easy and I am feeling like I am just reverting back to my usual play anyway.

Now this game has lots of people who know me, so you won't be getting any support. Maybe one or two will get paranoid for a while, but that's it. So your choices are either to accept that you are wrong and I am town, and move on to actually scumhunt instead of whining about how you don't like my play, or keep whining and getting scumread in the process.

[Nachomamma8]

missing the point - he is on ALL the largest wagons.

Why does this make him more likely to be scum?

missing the point - he shouldn't, but point is he needs to THINK. he did those without thinking.

His way of scumhunting is more of a push first, scumhunt later kind of deal. Just because the thinking doesn't happen clearly before the push doesn't mean that the thinking doesn't happen at all.

because if you have too many townreads that's practically like lining up lynches. you don't call the entire scumteam on D1, and you also don't narrow the pool to 3.000001 people. and early townreads are bad because they have a very weak basis, and he kept hanging on to them.

People have different styles. I know you've seen players who call the entire scumteam on D1 (or attempt to). What early townreads did Wisdom maintain for early townread reasons?

jumping votes is scummy imo. townies don't do that, they pick their target and pressure him until they decide A or B. it's like voting everyone in unlimited++. I can say that because he failed to answer practiacly every question I directd\ed at him.

playstyle difference again.

buddying is ok. excessive is not.

why is excessive buddying not okay?

[shos]

765-770 make me think that ooba is more likely town than scum. I'm also getting a firmer townread on Matt.

pedit: oh wisdom posted. let's read. I'm going to go AFK in like 5 minutes tho.

[Nachomamma8]

I also liked shos' last wall. Minus the girlfriend-bit (:mad: Who is she? )

not even a little bit surprised.

[Nachomamma8]

ok.
I took a random, long post by whiskers. really, random, didn't even read it. I brambled bullshit in caps over it and voted. whiskers was at the time practically the only person standing beside me when everyone was raining votes on me iirc.

that was in the middle of a discussion with wisdom. after it, he immediately voted me. no words. no questions. no thinking. but okay, who knows.
later, when I pointed it out, he said that vote wasn't related at all to that post. coincidentally it was one after the other, but really, it was that he was not suspecting whiskers anymore.

thing is, wisdom posted many times between whiskers' last post and that "unvote". so why then? why not earlier? smells like a lie.

That's fair. What about the vote on me?

[MattP]

yeah thats what really set me off, especially because I knew my reason was silly and he buddied right away. I just think it's very statistically crazy that he would just so happen to townread you for legit reason the moment I did for a completely different, silly reason