Mini 410 - McDonald's Mafia [Game Over!]

[Glork]

I would suggest that everybody go look at both wagons on DoS.

How did people treat DoS on his first, early wagon? Who defended him or avoided commenting on the wagon at all?
Who stalled about pressing DoS early in the second wagon? Who just kinda jumped aboard or ignored the issue once SC essentially busted his claim?

Those might be key questions to answer if you want to find one (or two, possibly?) of DoS's scumbuddies.

Glork - I believe his survivor claim for now, but I will keep scum gambit and especially investigation-immune SK possibilities in mind for later in the game

The implications of me being an SK are pretty serious. If we suppose that FrAt is legitimate, then it would almost

necessarily

imply that PP is a Mafiate whose kill was blocked, and that I targeted whomever Amb protected. You seem to accept that PP's claim is true, and you posit the existence of FrAt as a mafia roleblocker, either of which would

strongly

indicate that I could not be an SK. Where would the second nonkill have come from?

NaR: You're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that in this game. Saying "Glork could gambit, he is poopy and dorky!" does not make an argument. Nor does saying "I think Yellowbounder is scummy, too!" I would suggest that, if you think YB and/or I have actually done something noteworthy which you find scummy, you point it out (preferrably with quotes or by citing post numbers) and explain

why

you think it's scummy. Considering you're a raw, overeager newbie, I'm not yet going to take that as a sign of scumminess, but you will *not* get away with just saying whatever you want, if you expect

anybody

to take you seriously.

For everyone else: Incidentally, I can vouch from several ScumChat experiences that NAR probably won't follow through on my request. (Still, NAR, you're more than welcome to prove me wrong. In fact, I encourage it.) I figured I should warn everybody in advance. All I've seen him do is push wagons, claim at inappropriate times, call people scummy for no reason, and ask to be lynched. Good luck dealing with this one. :/

[now a ranger]

oh boy... how you are going to be surprised.....

can't judge a book by its cover

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I would suggest that everybody go look at both wagons on DoS.

Glork - I believe his survivor claim for now, but I will keep scum gambit and especially investigation-immune SK possibilities in mind for later in the game

The implications of me being an SK are pretty serious. If we suppose that FrAt is legitimate, then it would almost

necessarily

imply that PP is a Mafiate whose kill was blocked, and that I targeted whomever Amb protected. You seem to accept that PP's claim is true, and you posit the existence of FrAt as a mafia roleblocker, either of which would

strongly

indicate that I could not be an SK. Where would the second nonkill have come from?

At this point I wouldn't know, I'm just saying that you are not 100% cleared with your claim as of right now because of some other possibilities. Things will fall into place as the game progresses onwards.

[StallingChamp]

After Glork mentioned it, I reread the section where I busted DoS and I think I might have found something.

Did the reread, and I'm on board for a DoS lynch, possibly for the same reason that SC is (although I'm not sure what SC's reason is).

unvote, vote:DoS

This screams that he is just jumping on to try and blend in. Also, am I the only one surprised by the part in brackets? To me, it seems that my reasoning was pretty damn obvious.

[Glork]

Bingo.

That's why I said one of PP/TCS are probably scum. PP had done basically the same thing.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

You bring up a legit point SC, I'll keep that in mind about TCS, however I still think yellowbounder = most likely scum.

[Glork]

For the record, the other person on my list is Zarvok (now NAR) for this post:

Well, I'm not really suspicious of DragonsofSummer for two reasons: 1) I just went back and read the thread in detail for the first time in a couple pages, and also came to the conclusion that pete d is probably scum, based largely on glork's explanation of his vote here:

A) I find it odd that Pete D is accusing SC's posts of being scummy while leaving his (random) vote sitting around on DeanWinchester. Sometimes it's indicative of distancing, sometimes it's indicative of scum going after town, occasinally it's indicative of just bad pro-town play. When you move from "random" to "serious," you should almost always take your vote with you.
B) Pete let off one of my favorite scumtells that MeMe taught me way back in the day. Proposing or taking a bad stance (such as the one FA is taking, I feel) may or may not be scummy. Following someone else's lead on a bad stance (Pete not only agreeing with FA, but attacking SC for his response) is usually scummy.
C) I feel that, as SC pointed out, Pete overstated the "scumminess" of the proxy by calling it "distracting" and "confusing." Distracting from what? Random-Voting? What exactly is confusing about it?


Pete is pinging. Major hard.

These ideas click with me - agreeing with other people's bad logic doesn't sit well. IMHO, it's most likely that FA is town and Pete d is scum. If both were scum, pete d might have been more cautious about following FA, so as not to seem connected. If Pete d were town, he probably would have rejected the bad logic.

Secondly, DoS's post clarifying his vote here:

Mod I'm voting Pete D right now

I think that if I were scum, I would have done this less abrasively, so as not to arouse suspicion.

So, since Pete D sets off the alarm bells I mentioned, I'm going to

Vote: Pete D

. Maybe one of you guys can clarify where you think I am wrong about DoS? I don't see it, but I am a n00b after all...

Late onto the PeteD wagon (meaning he jumped on after it had started to die), and it was in the midst of a growing wagon on DoS. He also borrowed ideas almost entirely from another player (me).

[Glork]

And actually, his "I think if he were scum, he'd have done it less abrasively" part doesn't even make sense. Players point out mistakes to a mod in-thread, regardless of alignment. If somebody catches something that should be fixed, they usually just state it.

Crappy cover-up.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Yes, Yellowbounder is on the top of my scummy list too!

Vote: Yellowbounder

Can you give your reasons why yellowbounder is on the top of your scummy list? "The same reasons as the ones you mentioned" is not a legit answer.

[DeanWinchester]

That's a good point about tcs's voting.

Vote: TheCentralScrutinizer.

Glork are you certain NAR is as big a menace as you say?
It's a bold statment to say that a player that has just arrived is going to be a problematic townie.

[Glork]

Glork are you certain NAR is as big a menace as you say?
It's a bold statment to say that a player that has just arrived is going to be a problematic townie.

Read and behold.

[now a ranger]

you haven't even given me a chance. You use my 1st game as an example...


I was a newb! that was my 1st game in 320... I learned from it, and am still learning....


you're biased

[now a ranger]

it's all because of pulak making fun of me last night. not fair. made bad impression

[now a ranger]

I suggest you learn to be patient in developing players instead of being mean to newbies like that.


I also fail at triple posting.

[Glork]

I'm not intending to be mean. In fact, I said in a previous post that I hope you prove my first impressions wrong.

Now run along and go find some reasons to back up your suspicions.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

After Glork mentioned it, I reread the section where I busted DoS and I think I might have found something.

Did the reread, and I'm on board for a DoS lynch, possibly for the same reason that SC is (although I'm not sure what SC's reason is).

unvote, vote:DoS

This screams that he is just jumping on to try and blend in. Also, am I the only one surprised by the part in brackets? To me, it seems that my reasoning was pretty damn obvious.

You voted for DoS based on the fact that his paraphrase of the vanilla townie role PM was incorrect. I did the same. I don't see what's terribly ambiguous about this series of events except that I didn't want to outright claim townie for the both of us. Now I have.

[now a ranger]

you don't have to tell the whole world about a person's first game


I'm sure you had a first game too. And you know it's probably because of what Pulak said.

Run Along is what my preschool teacher used to tell me.....


anyways, I guess you've stopped ranting, so I'll stop responding in this thread, but I don't like poopy insults.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Congrats.

[DeanWinchester]

Ok. I do believe that showing somone's post's back to back like that is going to make the poster look kind of crazy, but it makes NAR look especially crazy.

[StallingChamp]

After Glork mentioned it, I reread the section where I busted DoS and I think I might have found something.

Did the reread, and I'm on board for a DoS lynch, possibly for the same reason that SC is (although I'm not sure what SC's reason is).

unvote, vote:DoS

This screams that he is just jumping on to try and blend in. Also, am I the only one surprised by the part in brackets? To me, it seems that my reasoning was pretty damn obvious.

You voted for DoS based on the fact that his paraphrase of the vanilla townie role PM was incorrect. I did the same. I don't see what's terribly ambiguous about this series of events except that I didn't want to outright claim townie for the both of us. Now I have.

Only thing is that now you've given yourself the chance to make sure that I was right in pushing it. If you were scum, or say Sk, you wouldn't want to risk going out on a limb when I might have been lying/wrong. I also don't like the claim now.

[Pink Princess]

I need to reread over the wagon and the ensuing discussion about the wagon. Back with some brilliance when I do. But I will mention before my in depth analysis my 2 thoughts from Day1 and my initial read of the last page or so:

Initially I had suspicions of Peted (as I mentioned earlier) becaiuse I felt he got on the DoS wagon with a half regurgitated, half confused reason and then jumped off for a

vanilla

claim pending some discussion, and never got back on. It caught my attention. However, he did get on the wagon a little early, so I'm also keeping that point in mind.

I caught that CS was geting on the wagon because he was saying he vanilla and was claiming to see the same problem SC did. Whether it's valid or not, I don't know. Wouldn't that be easy enough to check since DoS didn't have enough info to fake a vanilla claim? If CS is faking it, I think it'll be simple to find out. (

note: I am not advocating or asking CS to give any more information at this point. I am saying he will proably be easy to bust or verify before a lynch if need be)

PP had done basically the same thing.

Elaborate for me please.

[StallingChamp]

If CS is faking it, I think it'll be simple to find out. (

note: I am not advocating or asking CS to give any more information at this point. I am saying he will proably be easy to bust or verify before a lynch if need be)

Only thing is I think that in busting DoS, I made it all too clear what any other scum should claim as vanilla.

[Glork]

Thanks for your clarifications, Dean.

Vote DoS.

Enough flavor to make a claim can easily be found in the first post.

Did the reread, and I'm on board for a DoS lynch, possibly for the same reason that SC is (although I'm not sure what SC's reason is).

unvote, vote:DoS

Neither of these posts/votes were the least bit inspiring. I got the distinct feeling that at least one of you was probably busing DoS. Given I had found you suspicious earlier for playing "follow the Glork," I went after you today. That seems to have been a mistake. I'm now thinking the two scums are TCS and NAR.

[Glork]

Edit: The timing was the other part. It was obvious by that point that DoS was going to be the lynch of the day. Perfect time to "disbelieve" and bus. And those two votes were within two posts of each other, so I was even more sure that one or maybe both could have had some bus-driving involved.

[Pink Princess]

Only thing is I think that in busting DoS, I made it all too clear what any other scum should claim as vanilla.

Oh boo. Never mind then, too bad. And I thought maybe I busted the game wide open.