Kingmaker II-Game Over

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Smashy is first... Oh, and I still need to

vote: Fritzler

[Der Hammer]

Voted him because I posted late at night, slighty drunk and didn't see or achknowledge his post.

Unvote:Mnowax

but I still think he looks scummy,
Also notice the way MoS is trying to dicate executions in advance as early pressure on the next king and pouncing on me for what can easily be explained as a mistake. Why else would I have said "Ill unvote him when he says something" straight after him making quite a decent post unless I hadnt seen it properly? put two and two together before jumping onto someone. MoS has gone up scumwise in my estimation.

[Der Hammer]

Voted him because I posted late at night, slighty drunk and didn't see or achknowledge his post.

Unvote:Mnowax

but I still think he looks scummy,
Also notice the way MoS is trying to dicate executions in advance as early pressure on the next king and pouncing on me for what can easily be explained as a mistake. Why else would I have said "Ill unvote him when he says something" straight after him making quite a decent post unless I hadnt seen it properly? put two and two together before jumping onto someone. MoS has gone up scumwise in my estimation.

[Der Hammer]

Im in the Uni library, computers are shite, hence the double post.

[Der Hammer]

Im in the Uni library, computers are shite, hence the double post.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Der Hammer, I wanted your explanation, not some assumptions made by me. If you're scum, it's better to make you explain yourself than give you a free ride.

As for calling Der Hammer for tomorrow, that's merely because I am pretty convinced right now that Mnowax is scum, so Der Hammer is going on my suspicion list, but not as a possible execution for today. Fritzler, Smashy, and Der Hammer will have to wait for tomorrow, because we already have a scum today.

[mnowax]

go ahead kill me now. It will just allow scum to win with ease.

vote: anyone who thinks that i have no legit point.

[Thok]

Vote Count

King Yosarian2 (1):

Cogito Ergo Sum (2): zindaras, lowell
Der Hammer (2):
Fritzler (2): Everybody but Fritzler and Yosarian2
KaleiÐoscøpe (2): Smashy, Fritzler
Lowell (3):
Mastermind of Sin (3):
Mnowax (5): MOS
pablito (2): KaleiÐoscøpe, Der Hammer, Smashy, DragonsOfSummer, Shanba, Zindaras, mnowax
petroleumjelly (1):
RafK (1): Yosarian2, Spectrumvoid, CES
Shanba (2): spectrumvoid, zindaras, mnowax
Smashy (5):
spectrumvoid (4): smashy, mos
ThAdmiral (1): smashy, Fritzler, mnowax
Toaster Strudel (1): Zindaras, Lowell
VitaminR (2):
Zindaras (5): mnowax, spectrumvoid

[joke]anyone who thinks that mnowax has no legit point (1)[/joke]

Edit: Forgot about the replacement.

[pablito]

Yos, no one's jumped at the offer to look at so-called suspicious people. I suggest you give some assignments. People seem to do best here when they are given specific questions. As for me, maybe this weekend after my papers/exams are done.

unvote: DragonsOfSummer, vote: VitaminR

[Fritzler]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Smashy is first... Oh, and I still need to

vote: Fritzler

[/quote]lol

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Scared yet?

[spectrumvoid]

Just adding my 2 cents: I don't like people who direct future lynches.

[Yosarian2]

Yos, no one's jumped at the offer to look at so-called suspicious people. I suggest you give some assignments. People seem to do best here when they are given specific questions. As for me, maybe this weekend after my papers/exams are done.

unvote: DragonsOfSummer, vote: VitaminR

Well, perhaps, but I didn't really like how that went when Glork was king; most people did their "assignments" and then stopped posting, but no one really discussed anything or commented on anyone's "assignments". It wasn't a bad idea, perhaps, but I don't think it worked out too well.

Let me try this instead.

list of execution

MOS
Vitiman R (replaced dragon of summer, replaced phoebus)
Spectrum Void
Smashy
[/b]


EVERYONE'S assignment is to comment on EVERY person on the list of execustion, with at the very least a "yes, I'd lynch him" or "no, I wouldn't", and with specific reasons for at least one or two of the people. Anyone who ignores this asignment or lurks may be mod-prodded or added to the list of execution themselves.

[Yosarian2]

Sorry, didn't bold that whole thing.

ADD TO THE LIST OF EXECUTION:
MOS
Vitiman R
SV
Smashy

[Shanba]

Aright, this ought to be interesting. I'll have another look at all those player's posts then I'll sum up my thoughts.

[mnowax]

MOS - Yes lynch him i have already given my reasons.
Vitiman R (replaced dragon of summer, replaced phoebus) - my Vibe is that hes good. No lynch

Spectrum Void - No lynch her. she might be cute ;p seriously i get twon vibes from her posts

Smashy - my gut feeling was that Dead Rikimaruwas scum holding out on the kingmanship. id go for his lynch as well.

[Yosarian2]

For easy refrence later, I'll try to do a running semi-vote-count-like-thing to keep track of what everyone thinks; might produce some useful information.
People who have commented:

Mnowax:
MOS:Yes
Vitiman R:No
SV:No
Smashy:yes.

People who have not responded yet:

Everyone else.

(BTW, you don't have to just comment on those 4 people; I'm still following the rule that anyone who gets 7 votes will be added to the LOE automatically, and I see that both mnowax and Zinderas are fairly close to that. Still, I need everyone to comment on AT LEAST those 4 people.)

[petroleumjelly]

Okay, I think I have my other games under some control, so I will try to get reacquainted with this one.

My

first

reaction to your list is to answer:

MoS

: Leaning no; I remember him being annoying, but probably town

VitaminR

: Leaning slight yes (based off Phoebus and DoS)

SV

: Yes; I think she should have been dead yesterday

Smashy

: Neutral, but leaning better than an average execution (was not impressed with DR whatsoever)

But I'll update this after I read their posts in particular - my opinions could change at that time, and I will give reasons for my positions. I will probably also take a look into both mnowax and Zindaras, since they each have 5 votes and give my opinions on then. After that, I will try to get back my reads on the other players in the game, though that could take a while considering my gameload elsewhere on the site.

[ThAdmiral]

MoS: no, mainly because the summary posts were so god-damned helpful.
VitaminR: i don't know. Yes, but I think he deserves a bit of time to state his case.
SV: maybe, leaning towards no. There are better plays at the moment in my opinion.
Smashy: obv yes, as I'm voting for him.

[Fritzler]

EVERYONE'S assignment is to comment on EVERY person on the list of execustion, with at the very least a "yes, I'd lynch him" or "no, I wouldn't", and with specific reasons for at least one or two of the people. Anyone who ignores this asignment or lurks may be mod-prodded or added to the list of execution themselves.

tell me how that works out for you

[Zindaras]

MoS: No. I don't think that he is scum, looking at what he has done. I think the whole no voting thing is blown out of proportion.
VitaminR: Phoebus promised posts. Phoebus did not deliver. Zindie doesn't like that. He'd be a reasonable execution.
Voidybuns: Yes. Definitely.
Smashy: Fifty-fifty. I liked DR at the beginning of his reign, but I hated Smashy's execution.
Mnowax: Good execution.
Zindaras: Likes kittens. Is therefore town.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

MOS: Hammer possibility
Vitiman R: Don't hammer
SV: Hammer possibility
Smashy: Hammer him

[Lowell]

I'll vote

NO lynch

on MoS and Vitamin

Lynch

for SV and Smashy


.... also, I'll throw in a

vote yos

as well.

Something about this question seems off. I've spent a lot of time pondering but not really following this game, trying to outthink myself in terms of what a scumking might look like (a possibility that we are almost certain to see at some point, if we haven't already) and how he might behave. Well, this is pretty much exactly what I came up with. Narrow the list to four or five AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, include a scumbuddy or two just for the hell of it (in case you're exposed later on), ask everyone's opinion in a very narrow sense, then lynch the townie with the most "votes".

Basically, this is a great way to (a) direct suspicion on a few people, (b) make people lazy about scumhunting (people just answering 'yes' or 'no' questions instead of actively searching for scum), and (c) PROTECT those you worry are garnering suspicion. This last one is big. Basically, with one fell swoop Yos has made us all think about just four people.... of his choosing. Weak.

[spectrumvoid]

Lowell: Your reasoning is sound. However, look at where that kind of play has gotten us over the last few days. It led to a ton of lurkers and chaotic discussion. Seriously, discussion was just all over the place, which I suspect led to some lurkers, because this game was just so hard to read.

Also, what's wrong with so-called protecting "those you worry are garnering suspicion?" Defending/attacking has always led to more info the next day. Judging on who attacked/defended the Yosee? (since we've run out of Glorked and Smashed), we'll have something else to go on tomorrow.

I vote for
Lynch: MoS (he hasn't done much to disprove the previously scummy points. His summary post doesn't mean he's necessarily pro-town.)
Lynch: Smashy (Same, for dragging the game, and for DR.)
No lynch: VitaminR (I don't get the case for VitaminR, besides lurking. Verdict might change if I ever understand it.)

[Yosarian2]

Something about this question seems off. I've spent a lot of time pondering but not really following this game, trying to outthink myself in terms of what a scumking might look like (a possibility that we are almost certain to see at some point, if we haven't already) and how he might behave. Well, this is pretty much exactly what I came up with. Narrow the list to four or five AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, include a scumbuddy or two just for the hell of it (in case you're exposed later on), ask everyone's opinion in a very narrow sense, then lynch the townie with the most "votes".

This game has basically been defined by near-universal lurkage for as long as it's been going, Lowell, probably because of the whole kingmaker concept, which basically means that people who aren't the king basically don't feel like what they have to say matters. I'm trying to get some minimal level of participation from everyone that we can look back later and analyze, and to encourage conversation by making sure everyone knows that, at least as long as I am king, what they say and who they vote for DOES matter.

And again, if you've got a case for someone who's not on the list, make it. I might add them to the list, or if you can get 6 other people to follow you they'll be added automatically. I'm not trying to LIMIT discussion, I'm trying to make sure there's at least a minimum level of discussion from everyone, and I think that over the course of the game there has been a lot of interesting discussion and different opinions about these people specifically.

And by the way, I don't want JUST yes or no answers. I want AT THE VERY LEAST yes or no answers, backed up with reaasons as much as possible.