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Post Post #3900 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:34 pm

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I haven't messed with Standard since like September, so this is a first draft. I didn't run mutavaults because I was pretty much running Guildgates over them, I thought.

I don't like more than one Golgari Charm mainboard, although I could do with another in the side prob. Abrupt Decay is likely equally insane-hits so many things in this format(DSphere AND Connections!), and being able to get around small stuff like Judge's Familiar is also really cool.

DRS I just kinda threw in there, I dunno. He seems solid in the mirror--lots of spells and dudes in the yard, Whips to counter, counts towards devotion. I'm not super-attached, though. I've actually been thinking about Illness In the Ranks in the side, lots of token spam right now, be cool to just shut off Elspeth/Heliod/Master.
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Post Post #3901 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:18 pm

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In post 3899, InflatablePie wrote:Going to a GPT for GP Dallas on Saturday.
YAY Pie is coming to GP dallas.
Not going to the GP though. <_<
Damn it.


In other words, I'll be at GP Dallas.
Me and a friend have been working on this deck that will probably do well.

It's B/W


DRS isn't really doing too well in Standard at the moment.
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Post Post #3902 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:33 pm

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eh, Golgari Charm is probably better than Illness. and two main is fine, most decks won't expect it. but I can see going down to 1.

I'd run Mutavault for access to blockers/extra attackers. Helps your control game, synergizes with Pack Rat. 2 should be fine, 3 might be pushing it since you don't wanna get stuck on having lots of colorless. But you only need ~21 black sources to cast Specter on curve. I'd go with 2 just in case.

Hero's Downfall might not be enough MB removal (even if Decay hits some stuff). I could see cutting a Rat for a killspell. Maybe sideboarding a Thoughtseize for one. Most of the monoB decks run 2x each of Devour/Doom Blade/U-Price. Maybe SB the Vraska+TS, cut a Rat, bring in one of each of those three from the board (12 SB), and SB another Devour? Then cut 2x DRS, and move a Golgari Charm from main to side (59 Main, 12 side). Add your choices of kill spell (Decay/DBlade/UPrice) and toss the rest in the side (I'd probably go with Decay main and Dblade side, leaves 2 flex slots). Try something like that.

Top decks in Standard off the top of my head you should expect:
White Aggro (usually WW splash red)
Red Aggro (either Foundry Street 16-land, Devotion Aggro, or other variants)
Mono-U Devotion/Aggro
Mono-B Devotion
GR Midrange/Devotion (sometimes mono-G)
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UW Control
BW Midrange
GW Midrange (or Aggro, or Junk Midrange)
Boros Midrange (or mono-red Midrange)
Dega Midrange (or BR Midrange)
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Post Post #3903 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:34 pm

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In post 3901, kdowns wrote:DRS isn't really doing too well in Standard at the moment.
Like I said, just trying stuff out.

You local to DFW?
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Post Post #3904 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:37 pm

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also if there was a way to give up my two free byes if I won my GPT I totally would but I don't think there is :(
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Post Post #3905 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:48 pm

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In post 3904, InflatablePie wrote:also if there was a way to give up my two free byes if I won my GPT I totally would but I don't think there is :(
If you make it to the finals, I'd ask the other guy if he was going and wants to agree to give all the product to 2nd because the win gets the byes, then if he says yes and agrees, concede. its important to not mention conceding first though, that would be collusion which could get you dqed.
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Post Post #3906 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:01 pm

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In post 3903, Natirasha wrote:
In post 3901, kdowns wrote:DRS isn't really doing too well in Standard at the moment.
Like I said, just trying stuff out.

You local to DFW?
I live about 45 minutes away from Houston. I'm making the short drive up to Dallas for the GP. I usually travel to SCG/GP/ Tcg Player 5K.

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Post Post #3907 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:10 pm

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3x Desecration Demons
3x Imposing Soverign
4x Precinct Captain
4x Solider of the Pantheon
4x Blood Baron of Vizkopa
4x Lifebane Zombie

2x Elspeth

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3x Duress
3x Downfall
3x Doom Blade

4x Godless Shrine
4x Temple of Silence
3x Mutavault
6x Plains
6x Swamp


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2x Glare of Heresy
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3x Fiendslayer Paladin
2x Obzedat


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Post Post #3908 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:29 pm

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gl casting lifebane zombie off of precinct captain
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Post Post #3909 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:31 pm

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In post 3908, xRECKONERx wrote:gl casting lifebane zombie off of precinct captain

In Play testing it's worked, I haven't had any problems Casting Turn 2 Captain into Turn 3 Zombie.
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Post Post #3910 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:39 pm

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You have eight lands that you have to hit at least one of in T1/T2 to do that, so, good luck, haha
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Post Post #3911 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:04 am

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temple of silence is one of those lands, so even if you have the COLORS you aren't casting soldier T1, captain T2, lfiebane/downfall, etc. T3

so there's literally like a 10% chance you can curve out with lands, because you HAVE to have godless shrines and 1 plains 1 swamp.
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Post Post #3912 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:25 am

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In post 3911, Fate wrote:temple of silence is one of those lands, so even if you have the COLORS you aren't casting soldier T1, captain T2, lfiebane/downfall, etc. T3

so there's literally like a 10% chance you can curve out with lands, because you HAVE to have godless shrines and 1 plains 1 swamp.
I have issues with the manabase too. I think it should be running like 3 guildgates over 2 mutas and a duress. I have other issues with the deck too but I'd start there. With that said, you basically count tap lands as 1 drops. So that it has to run tap lands is why a deck like this would only be running 4 1 drop creatures, its game plan isn't really going to be dependent on hitting that 1 drop creature every turn 1. The deck is running 4 blood baron and 2 elspeth, its not like its hard aggro.
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Post Post #3913 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:22 am

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I think taking out a Muta and one of each basic for 3x Gates is a decent starting point. I really like Mutavault.
I don't like 3x MB Duress. Make those Sin Collectors. Duress grabs Thoughtseize/Azo Charm/DBlades earlier against Control, but Sin Collector is a relevant body against Control and can be used to chump if necessary. Where Duress just whiffs against decks with few noncreature spells.
4x BBoV is interesting, but I can dig it. (b' ')b
I also don't like 3x Doom Blade, it's completely dead against Bx decks and mono-B/Bg is still popular. I suggest taking out one or two for another removal spell to minimize dead cards in the main.

-3 Duress // +3 Sin Collector
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Post Post #3914 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:40 am

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While we're critiquing, someone help me with my deck again.

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4x Rakdos Cackler
4x Ash Zealot
3x Young Pyromancer
3x Firefist Striker
4x Chandra's Phoenix

2x Chained to the Rocks
2x Chandra, Pyromaster

3x Shock
4x Magma Jet
4x Lightning Strike
1x Flames of the Firebrand

4x Sacred Foundry
4x Temple of Triumph
2x Mutavault
12x Mountain

SB: 4x Boros Reckoner
SB: 2x Chained to the Rocks
SB: 2x Mizzium Mortars
SB: 3x Skullcrack
SB: 2x Boros Charm
SB: 1x Hammer of Purphoros
SB: 1x Flames of the Firebrand


Mainboard: I like having access to FFS, but I'm not a huge fan of BTE. I kind of want to drop one FFS for a Pyrewild Shaman (another 75 I've seen runs an extra land + Chandra + Pyrewild over 3x FFS). Dunno yet. I'm also tempted to get really greedy and go up to 3x Mutavault, but that only gives me 19 Sources for Reckoner out of the board... ew.

Sideboard: I'm tempted to side in a Rod of Ruin somewhere for monoU. There's also Last Breath, but I'm not sure how much better it is. Also considering a one-of Stormbreath Dragon, and 2x Fanatic of Mogis (for mono-U or any stalled-board-state matchup).
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Post Post #3915 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:05 am

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Why Rod of Ruin when Electrickery exists? Doesn't kill the master, but does kill the tokens.
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Post Post #3916 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:17 am

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Because then they drop a second Master and I proceed to bash my skull in with my dice.
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Post Post #3917 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:24 am

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I'd think more Chains & Last Breath are better than Rod, but okay.
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Post Post #3918 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:34 am

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In post 3914, InflatablePie wrote:While we're critiquing, someone help me with my deck again.

Spoiler: Rw Pyro
4x Firedrinker Satyr
4x Rakdos Cackler
4x Ash Zealot
3x Young Pyromancer
3x Firefist Striker
4x Chandra's Phoenix

2x Chained to the Rocks
2x Chandra, Pyromaster

3x Shock
4x Magma Jet
4x Lightning Strike
1x Flames of the Firebrand

4x Sacred Foundry
4x Temple of Triumph
2x Mutavault
12x Mountain

SB: 4x Boros Reckoner
SB: 2x Chained to the Rocks
SB: 2x Mizzium Mortars
SB: 3x Skullcrack
SB: 2x Boros Charm
SB: 1x Hammer of Purphoros
SB: 1x Flames of the Firebrand


Mainboard: I like having access to FFS, but I'm not a huge fan of BTE. I kind of want to drop one FFS for a Pyrewild Shaman (another 75 I've seen runs an extra land + Chandra + Pyrewild over 3x FFS). Dunno yet. I'm also tempted to get really greedy and go up to 3x Mutavault, but that only gives me 19 Sources for Reckoner out of the board... ew.

Sideboard: I'm tempted to side in a Rod of Ruin somewhere for monoU. There's also Last Breath, but I'm not sure how much better it is. Also considering a one-of Stormbreath Dragon, and 2x Fanatic of Mogis (for mono-U or any stalled-board-state matchup).
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Post Post #3919 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:50 am

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The RWb burn deck looks fun. I might take that to an FNM once my schedule stops being dicks (work Friday night, can't go to Wed. Standard tonight either). Not sure if I want to take that to my GPT only because I'm more familiar with my current deck. It's tempting, though.
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I'm running 4x Chained in the 75. I'm mostly deciding between Rod and Last Breath.

LB takes care of a Master but they gain 4 life.
Rod takes care of multiple Masters
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puts them on a clock after you wipe the board, but takes lots of mana and/or two turns.

I'm iffy about Rod only because I'm running 22 land and it seems like a ton of mana even on 23...
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Post Post #3920 (ISO) » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:50 pm

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I ran Boros Burn last night after all and made top 8 (4:2). Deck's fun as shit.

-1 Firedrinker Satyr
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+1 Mountain
+1 Toil & Trouble (from sideboard)
SB: -1 Peak Eruption // +1 ??? (currently testing Young Pyro and Ratchet Bomb, may try another Anger since my FNM store plays lots of aggro)

Casting Trouble for 7 is hilarious, btw. As well as Boros Charm double strike on a Spark Trooper.
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Post Post #3921 (ISO) » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:54 pm

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In post 3920, InflatablePie wrote:I ran Boros Burn last night after all and made top 8 (4:2). Deck's fun as shit.

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+1 Mountain
+1 Toil & Trouble (from sideboard)
SB: -1 Peak Eruption // +1 ??? (currently testing Young Pyro and Ratchet Bomb, may try another Anger since my FNM store plays lots of aggro)

Casting Trouble for 7 is hilarious, btw. As well as Boros Charm double strike on a Spark Trooper.
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Post Post #3922 (ISO) » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:01 pm

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Sadly no. I didn't play against any blue control last night. I did play against some Esper today; GPT only had five people show up... ... event never fired. Played for fun and never had a Trouble in hand when he -2'd a Jace. :(

Resolving Trouble for seven twice in a best-of-five, or playing it right after they Rev'd on their turn, was fun.

And Charming a Trooper against mono-red was not only satisfying, over half the playing table (8 other players) looked over when I announced what I was doing.
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Post Post #3923 (ISO) » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:53 am

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So I drafted this today: http://i.imgur.com/ca5w82j.png
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Post Post #3924 (ISO) » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:32 am

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In post 3886, hasdgfas wrote:And an ex-scummer wins the Legacy Championships!

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