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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:59 am

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MAR is basically the same as GLA early on, except that they have an extra AoE hate-generation move in the form of Overpower, and their base damage being higher means that, modifiers aside, each action generates more base enmity.

Later on, PLD closes this gap because IIRC their Halone combo has a better modifier than the WAR's Butcher's Block combo, but WAR will generally have enough of an advantage in damage to make hate-holding on par with WAR for single-targets. (WAR will still be a little bit superior for AoE tanking, or at least for AoE hate-control.)

Of course, PLD currently has a LARGE improvement from WAR in terms of damage mitigation -- WAR only gets Foresight, but PLD gets like 4 abilities and can cross-class Foresight. WAR's Inner Beast self-heal can't make up the difference too well. PLD also has a superior stun and a silence. But SE has said they will try to close the utility gap here.

Fate, my understanding is that Second Wind doesn't scale with levels very well, limiting its usefulness. At low levels it's probably a great choice. Internal Release is a nice boost on a really fast cooldown and helps to capitalize on your moderate advantage in supplemental damage.

The Grand Company equipment isn't ever really a game-changer, other than that the level 50 weapon is a nice boost until you can get some endgame weapons. It's also nice for quickly gearing secondary classes when you realize that you converted all their gear into materia.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:36 am

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By the way, the Lightning fate starts today. You can pick up what is probably pretty high-tier-for-level-13 armor for running it.

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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:50 am

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In post 446, Fate wrote:I didnt really see any problems with WARs holding aggro.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:51 am

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In post 451, Iecerint wrote:By the way, the Lightning fate starts today. You can pick up what is probably pretty high-tier-for-level-13 armor for running it.

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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:21 am

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I don't know if Fate had trouble, but hate is relatively hard to hold in this game IMO. Archers in particular are capable of some pretty epic hate-spikes early on, so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if Nuwen drew hate a few times.

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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:50 am

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In post 454, Iecerint wrote:I don't know if Fate had trouble, but hate is relatively hard to hold in this game IMO. Archers in particular are capable of some pretty epic hate-spikes early on, so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if Nuwen drew hate a few times.

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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:12 am

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Archers don't have Quelling Strikes until they are already not archers anymore.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:48 pm

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Oh, wow this spiked since I last vistedted, lol

and, Bitmap is here too? :o

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I am planning on building that, as I build up my Pally I tihnk

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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:50 pm

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and, IDK why you get builder of the realm and never use it to you're advantage Tans. you could be getting looaaddss of GIL and then, you wouldn't have to beg us for some :P
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:52 pm

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Ffxiv is on backburner for a bit. Ps4 and all... ill try to log on to get my myth but... unhurt. Ps4.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:53 pm

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In post 443, Iecerint wrote:Before 30 tbh I think CNJ is probably categorically inferior to ACN/THM as a healer
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:43 am

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What do you think CNJ has over ACN/THM at those levels, other than Esuna (which SCH doesn't get til 40 and is hence clearly non-essential)?
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:49 am

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I don't think one is inferior to the other, and Esuna is pretty important. Enemy debuffs are annoying, especially slow and paralyze. being able to get rid of them, is pretty fantastic. ACN also doesn't have the enhanced protect that CNJ has (I think, I'm pretty sure this is accurate).


ACN is more on the debuffing, and weakening enemies side, while important isn't really true healing IMO while CNJ is more focused on keeping allies safe and in top shape. both are really important though, and ACN is OP early on overall anyway.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:13 pm

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Mara its V important that you level Alchemy so you can feed me all the reagents I need from it w/o having to level it myself. : P <3

Also Getting GSM to 30 is AMAZING. I crafted full sets of rings/trinkets/earrings in HQ and the CP makes a huge difference.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:25 pm

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This game (and MMOS in general?) need support for some communal banking system. It would be super convenient for friends to be able to share reagents and stuff from crafts easily that way. Not just a guild/FC banking system cause I mean Im too low ranking in the FC to even care if there is one let alone getting access.

I kinda dislike the retainer thing in general. It would be great to be able to post stuff for auction when Im at a Message Board instead of having to go to the retainer spot. And getting/leaving items on 2 different retainers is just annoying to manage as opposed to what WOW did with having a bank where all your stuff goes and you dont have to go through context menus, blobs of people surrounding the one summoning bell, or disjoint storing of items.

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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:29 pm

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I need Alc for my wand anyway!

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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:31 pm

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though, I need to get mining to at least 26 so I'm prolly going to spam-level GSM and BLS next
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:47 pm

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Ive been levelling mining recently. Silver is lvl 21 required to mine it and I finally got there and mined it from West of Quarrymill for a long ass time. A ton of silver is necessary for GSM and a bunch of other random things.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:17 pm

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My mining is level 24ish right now

and, Silver is really that neccessary? *sigh*

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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:21 pm

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Like, I know it's important for GSM but, the other metalworks too?
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:23 pm

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oh, I recall it was needed for a bunch of Weaver outfits and shoes and stuff that have to do with velveteen
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:08 pm

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I got bored of mining.... can't even remember what level I got it to
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:54 pm

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I'm not exactly fond of mining either, but I hate buying stuff that I can get myself even more...

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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:55 pm

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as a trade off, for Crystals Ofc
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:57 am

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I keep running out of lightning shards, ugghhhh. At least I have that 3x lightning shard ability from mining now.

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