Newbie 320 - Berry Village Mafia V (Game Over!)

[Peter Venkman]

...or you are scum and your partner doesn't want to hammer you. And the rest of us are too damn confused by your play to make up our minds...

-Peter

[GreenLiquid]

At the moment, surprisingly, I am inclined to believe that now a ranger is genuine. In fact, here's the:

GreenLiquid D1 Suspicions List

Peter Venkman

- Playing the voice of reason. Acting town, but anyone playing that role is suspect just because it is frequently used as a scum cover.

Nocmen

- Tough call. Lurkerish, but he hasn't done anything to particularly arouse my suspicions. Going to call him neutral at this point in the game.

Remussaidow

- Very suspicious. Put someone at lynch -1 like CES did in a sneaky way. In addition, strange defensive behavior.

now a ranger

- I sooo want to vote now a ranger, but I think he's more the 'incompetent newbie' archetype, not so much the stupid scum. Willing to pass on his lynch today, but I have my eye on him.

CES

- Somewhat suspicious. I don't like the move he made earlier where he put remus at lynch -1. I'm not sure what to make of remus copying it, but I don't like it.

Eldarion

- He hasn't done much, but I get a small anti-town vibe from him. Not a good D1 lynch.

In closing, I will

Vote: Remussaidow

if I am not already.

[now a ranger]

Fine.

Unvote. Vote: Remussaidow.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Gah, now a ranger is giving off so many newbie scum tells AND town tells, I really have no idea what to think of him.

[Eldarion]

Holy crap ranger's play is confusing. It really shouldn't work, but dammit, I've got no idea what to think. The last 3 & 1/2 pages has pretty much been dedicated to ranger making crazy moves and people flopping between a town call and a newbie call. As town play it's incredibly distracting, as scum it'd be effective up to a point I suppose.

Peter's role 'is' frequently used as scum cover, but I have no cause to doubt his motivations for playing confidently town.

Only people who have really played suspiciously (apart from ranger of course) are CES and remus. Remus has played 'more' scummy than Cogito, but I'm not convinced. The worst part is I find it incredibly hard to link anyone I suspect, which means they're probably better than me... I particularly don't want to vote remus after ranger doing another switch like that.

[now a ranger]

unvoe. Vote: Eldarion

[now a ranger]

oh nvm.

unvote

[Nocmen]

My opinions on what I have seen

CES: Seems to be somewhat confused, was going against his own plans he set out early.

Remus: Seems as he is going towards scum, let a few things slip out against him, and isnt really a dedicated townie (as in, someone I know has a 95%+ chance of being town). If CES is not scum, Remus is, and vice versa.

Peter: He is acting like this cover, but it is a common mistake newbies make (I know I used to make it all the time, and it hurt me). For now, I say town.

Now a Ranger: Complete newb town, or scum.

[Peter Venkman]

Peter Venkman- Playing the voice of reason. Acting town, but anyone playing that role is suspect just because it is frequently used as a scum cover.

I appreciate the compliment. I

am

trying to approach this game as straightforward and logical as I can. This is my first game, but I've read through enough threads on this board to know that town's only chance is through extended conversation.

Using this point as a "scum tell" feels like it really undercuts town's only tool for sniffing out scum. If no-one provided a voice of reason this game might have veered into wacky land a few pages ago...

I mentioned it earlier, but I'll say it again. Town players have one motivation, whereas Scum players have two conflicting motivations. Through discussion and voting we can determine if a player is representing one interest or two.

I beleive the game can be won through logic. In fact, I wouldn't be playing otherwise. I thought others felt the same way, and that is why we are here on a message board, rather than tossing dice in the closet.

Greenliquid

> You are a veteran player. In fact, you've run a few games. In your experience, what is the best way to sniff out scum?

-Peter

[now a ranger]

why don't we just lynch someone really quickly? This day is taking forever. I say we lynch someone now.

It sure would be fun to be night. Nights are FUN with a capital F.

[now a ranger]

VOTE: GreenLiquid

Maybe this will get more people to talk.

[remussaidow]

the only people who want to get to night, Ranger, are scum.

[now a ranger]

then let's get there.

As I mentioned earlier, nights are fantastic. I bet you want to get to night Remus.

[remussaidow]

no, I don't. Getting to nighttime only benefits 2 people in this game if there isn't much disscusion day one.

The two scums.

[now a ranger]

are you sure about that?

[GreenLiquid]

Using this point as a "scum tell" feels like it really undercuts town's only tool for sniffing out scum. If no-one provided a voice of reason this game might have veered into wacky land a few pages ago...

I'm not saying that the voice of reason is scummy in and of itself, but rather it is commonly used as a scum cover-up. If played cleverly, the scum can avoid throwing out any suspicions and leaving any traceable record, but still look very pro-town. The voice of reason is sometimes town though, and the way you're playing it suggests a townie at the helm.

I mentioned it earlier, but I'll say it again. Town players have one motivation, whereas Scum players have two conflicting motivations. Through discussion and voting we can determine if a player is representing one interest or two.

The voice of reason actually acts as a way to mask one of the scum's needs. The scum want to do two things: look pro-town, and attempt to mislynch townies. When playing the voice of reason, the scum try their hardest to look pro-town, and

echo

the arguments of other people, so that if a mislynch does occur, someone else gets the blame.

I beleive the game can be won through logic. In fact, I wouldn't be playing otherwise. I thought others felt the same way, and that is why we are here on a message board, rather than tossing dice in the closet.

I don't entirely agree. One should not lynch solely on the basis of a person's logic, since even town can make logical errors. You want to also look at suspicious behavior. Voting records, tells, and style of play can tell a lot about of person's alignment.

Greenliquid

> You are a veteran player. In fact, you've run a few games. In your experience, what is the best way to sniff out scum?

In my opinion, one of the best ways to catch scum is not to look at the obvious actions, but the subtle ones. Scum won't try to cause a mislynch if it'll result in them getting lynched the very next day. Look at a player's actions and think "What motivation would a townsperson have to do this? What about scum?" But don't ignore the obvious; with newbie scum, the errors and attempted mislynches will likely be more obvious than otherwise. Certain tells can also point towards certain motivations.

Getting to nighttime only benefits 2 people in this game...

QFT, and this is a pretty good quote

[now a ranger]

Getting to night would definitely benefit me.

BTW, I would think that sometimes the voice of reason is scum, but only about 2/3 of the time.

[now a ranger]

unvote. Vote:Now A Ranger

I really want to get to night, but I think people will hunt me down by taking forever.

[Peter Venkman]

Getting to night would definitely benefit me.

I am using every ounce of self restraint to keep my post civil. This is about the 10th rewrite.

I hope to never, ever, play with you again.

-Peter

[remussaidow]

all in favor of peter's last statement, say aye!



AYE!

[now a ranger]

Gee.... Thanks ..


AYE!!

[Peter Venkman]

I'm not saying that the voice of reason is scummy in and of itself, but rather it is commonly used as a scum cover-up. If played cleverly, the scum can avoid throwing out any suspicions and leaving any traceable record, but still look very pro-town. The voice of reason is sometimes town though, and the way you're playing it suggests a townie at the helm.

Good point. My posts certainly have been "voice of reason" the past few pages. But if you'll notice, I did ride CES and Remus pretty hard in the begining. The past few days not much has happened other than fending off some serious insane play. I've just been trying to keep us on track.

-Peter

[now a ranger]

I assume you are meaning everyone's seriously insane play overall.

[Peter Venkman]

One should not lynch solely on the basis of a person's logic, since even town can make logical errors. You want to also look at suspicious behavior. Voting records, tells, and style of play can tell a lot about of person's alignment.

True. The point I was trying to make is that this game is not one of luck. We are talking about the same thing in different ways =)

In my oppinion, nothing much has happened in the past few days. In addressing

Now a Ranger

's posts we have all gotten distracted by the clown. Hopefully we can get back on track now.

I have thought

CES

to be scum this whole game. His actions aren't consistant with what he says. He is basically lurking, as his posts don't ever have much content. He doesn't appear to be interested in actually finding scum.

Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

-Peter

[now a ranger]

If he turns out scum, what happens next?

If he turns out town, what happens next?


Will you all just kill Remus? as he is the next most suspicious.

Wait, when it is night, a mafia can't kill a mafia?

oh well.

Vote: CES