Mini 1505: N is for Normal (game over)

[zakk]

I just did an interesting little thing. I went to Thor's iso and searched for everyone's name, to see who he was talking about and who he was avoiding, about who's left in the game.

zakk = 28
Garmr = 26
tool = 38

Okay, whatever.

Axxle 6 + Skelda 2 = 8
Macros 2 + Elyse 2 = 4

So ALL THREE of us up above has more than TWICE the mentions of BOTH the other player slots AND their replacements PUT TOGETHER.

I'd love to see either Skelda or Elyse address that ...

[Elyse]

When that's a proven scumtell, come back to me.

You're reaching a lot here and you didn't even address my points against your "revelation".

Thor is the type of player who wouldn't hesitate to bus his buddy anyway. That means nothing.

[zakk]

No offense

, zakk, but that analysis was pretty bad.

Why would the scum kill hinge upon you? Again,

not to sound rude

, but do you think you're important enough for scum to base their NK on how you would react? I don't think anyone is that important, and if the scumteam believed that truly, why wouldn't they just kill you? I think the scumteam was either aiming for a PR or just trying to confuse us because tool and I were on almost everyone's town list. I (

stupidly

) already claimed VT and idk why they didn't kill tool but I'm pretty sure he's town so I don't really care.

It seems to me like a bs reason not to vote Garmr.

And suddenly, a

zakk/Garmr scumteam

makes perfect sense.

Ooooh. Ouch. Sorry, you just put the first nail in your own coffin.

How? I'll tell you how.

You're trying to convince me that you're right. You're trying to introduce doubts into my head about my own theories. You're trying to win me over to your side by being self deprecating, and by being polite.

Why? Because you know I'm town. If you didn't, you wouldn't bother using phrases like "no offense but I think that's pretty bad", you would just say "You're scum. And therefore your argument is false"

But you're not.

You're doing it wrong. And now you're going to die.

Vote: Elyse

[toolenduso]

Well keep in mind that Axxle/Skelda didn't even really start contributing until after Thor's death, and Elyse replaced in halfway through day one.

[toolenduso]

Holy crap zakk unvote right now. There are two scum left and it takes three to lynch. You will lose this game for town.

[zakk]

When that's a proven scumtell, come back to me.

You're reaching a lot here and you didn't even address my points against your "revelation".

Thor is the type of player who wouldn't hesitate to bus his buddy anyway. That means nothing.

I'm not reaching. I'm just putting numbers out there.

I didn't ever imply it was a proven scumtell, though your immediate defensiveness IS actually a pretty reliable scumtell, in my experience.

And I am pretty sure I know what type of a player Thor is. He uses humor and deflection to try to get what he wants. Only this time, there seemed to be a lot of strong personalities in the game, and people didn't want to put up with his stuff, so he got a little out of control and flailed a little too much and got voted out early.

And anyway, your opinion on what type of player Thor is, is pretty moot. Why? Because you're scum.

You just did the exact same thing Thor did ALL FREAKING GAME. He didn't address points as they were brought up. He just flipped the table (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ and kept right on trucking. But he also called into question the authority/credibility of the person he was dealing with, almost without exception. And you're now doing the exact same thing.

Care to address THAT?

[zakk]

Holy crap zakk unvote right now. There are two scum left and it takes three to lynch. You will lose this game for town.

It's only dangerous to vote town. It's not dangerous to vote scum.

Don't worry. I've got this under control.



Finally.

[toolenduso]

zakk unvote right now. Do it.

[Elyse]

Oh because I'm not 100% sure you're scum and I don't want to be rude, that makes me scum? Really?

Also you should really unvote me if you are town because scum can quick hammer me.

P-edit:
I'm on my phone and won't be able to respond properly until tomorrow but you're already resorting to the "You're scum!" argument which is really weak.

[zakk]

Tool, even if it is Elyse/Garmr instead of Elyse/Skelda (which it's probably not), Elyse is still a completely safe vote for townies.

I will put all of my credibility for future games on this.

Elyse is scum.

[toolenduso]

zakk go back over what Elyse has posted in day five, ignoring what she's said about you. Look at posts 1160 and 1170. She is taking legit strategical steps to make town win this. She is not scum.

[toolenduso]

Can you at least understand why we should wait for Garmr and Skelda to claim before we vote?

[zakk]

Um ok?

I thought Slandaar was probtown but he was very lynchable, especially with tool breathing down his neck.

No idea why scum killed him.

Ok so if one person in {Garmr, Skelda, zakk} has a PR then we win because we have the scumteam in the VTs.

Everyone claim in your next post.

Here's what I see:

A. distancing from being scum -- "I have no idea why scum would do thaaaat!" is code for "Look at me, I'm TOTALLY town you guys!"
B. power role hunting -- asking other people to claim, which not only distracts from scumhunting and puts attention on an artificial construct, but is also completely useless for townies and horribly useful for scum, under the thin veneer of having town's best interests at heart.

No thanks. She's a bad guy.

Might as well vote her now and let Garmr hammer her when he gets back.

[Elyse]

No offense

, zakk, but that analysis was pretty bad.

Why would the scum kill hinge upon you? Again,

not to sound rude

, but do you think you're important enough for scum to base their NK on how you would react? I don't think anyone is that important, and if the scumteam believed that truly, why wouldn't they just kill you? I think the scumteam was either aiming for a PR or just trying to confuse us because tool and I were on almost everyone's town list. I (

stupidly

) already claimed VT and idk why they didn't kill tool but I'm pretty sure he's town so I don't really care.

It seems to me like a bs reason not to vote Garmr.

And suddenly, a

zakk/Garmr scumteam

makes perfect sense.

Ooooh. Ouch. Sorry, you just put the first nail in your own coffin.

How? I'll tell you how.

You're trying to convince me that you're right. You're trying to introduce doubts into my head about my own theories. You're trying to win me over to your side by being self deprecating, and by being polite.

I'm not trying to win you over to my side. I think you're scum! And I'm proving how bad your case is to the others.

Why? Because you know I'm town. If you didn't, you wouldn't bother using phrases like "no offense but I think that's pretty bad", you would just say "You're scum. And therefore your argument is false"

I'm trying to be nice. You want me to be a bitch? I will. Rawr. Be ready.

When that's a proven scumtell, come back to me.

You're reaching a lot here and you didn't even address my points against your "revelation".

Thor is the type of player who wouldn't hesitate to bus his buddy anyway. That means nothing.

I'm not reaching. I'm just putting numbers out there.

I didn't ever imply it was a proven scumtell, though your immediate defensiveness IS actually a pretty reliable scumtell, in my experience.

So you were just putting it out there for shits and giggles? Come on now.

And I am pretty sure I know what type of a player Thor is. He uses humor and deflection to try to get what he wants. Only this time, there seemed to be a lot of strong personalities in the game, and people didn't want to put up with his stuff, so he got a little out of control and flailed a little too much and got voted out early.

No, he got voted out because a hider hid behind him and died. And guess who pointed that out? Me.

And anyway, your opinion on what type of player Thor is, is pretty moot. Why? Because you're scum.

This is what I mean by the "you're scum argument". Lol it's so bad it hurts.

You just did the exact same thing Thor did ALL FREAKING GAME. He didn't address points as they were brought up. He just flipped the table (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ and kept right on trucking. But he also called into question the authority/credibility of the person he was dealing with, almost without exception. And you're now doing the exact same thing.

Is this a joke? I am addressing your points and you are ignoring mine! Seriously, you are out of your mind! I'm not discrediting you as a person, but discrediting your arguments because they are incredibly weak.

[Elyse]

Um ok?

I thought Slandaar was probtown but he was very lynchable, especially with tool breathing down his neck.

No idea why scum killed him.

Ok so if one person in {Garmr, Skelda, zakk} has a PR then we win because we have the scumteam in the VTs.

Everyone claim in your next post.

Here's what I see:

A. distancing from being scum -- "I have no idea why scum would do thaaaat!" is code for "Look at me, I'm TOTALLY town you guys!"

IS THIS A JOKE?

Seems like a weird choice of who to kill.

I was kinda expecting tool to be killed. We should probably be careful with our votes it's mylo.

SERIOUSLY?


...you suck so hard, scum. I spent four days on my book and now it doesn't even make sense to post it.

Um ok?

I thought Slandaar was probtown but he was very lynchable, especially with tool breathing down his neck. No idea why scum killed him.

Ok so if one person in {Garmr, Skelda, zakk} has a PR then we win because we have the scumteam in the VTs.

Everyone claim in your next post.

Sadly I'm not a PR.

The Slandaar kill was rather confusing, but I guess he had just about outlived his usefulness to scum.
What's worth looking at will be his suspicions following ICEninja. Not saying they're right, but it'll be useful.

EVERY SINGLE PLAYER INCLUDING YOU ACTED BAFFLED TOWARD THE SLANDAAR KILL. But it only applies to me?

B. power role hunting -- asking other people to claim, which not only distracts from scumhunting and puts attention on an artificial construct, but is also completely useless for townies and horribly useful for scum, under the thin veneer of having town's best interests at heart.

YOU ALWAYS MASSCLAIM IN LYLO. ARE YOU BEING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW? I'm not "power role hunting" like some covert operation: I'm openly asking everyone to claim so we can narrow down the scumpool. And guess what? YOU complied. If you had such a problem with it, then WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU CLAIM?

[Elyse]

oh my god this is actually ridiculous

[toolenduso]

Um ok?

I thought Slandaar was probtown but he was very lynchable, especially with tool breathing down his neck.

No idea why scum killed him.

Ok so if one person in {Garmr, Skelda, zakk} has a PR then we win because we have the scumteam in the VTs.

Everyone claim in your next post.

Here's what I see:

A. distancing from being scum -- "I have no idea why scum would do thaaaat!" is code for "Look at me, I'm TOTALLY town you guys!"
B. power role hunting -- asking other people to claim, which not only distracts from scumhunting and puts attention on an artificial construct, but is also completely useless for townies and horribly useful for scum, under the thin veneer of having town's best interests at heart.

No thanks. She's a bad guy.

Might as well vote her now and let Garmr hammer her when he gets back.

A. -- Garmr and Skelda did the exact same thing at the beginning of this day.
B. -- PR hunting at this point in the game makes almost no difference for scum. They need to focus on a mislynch because that's the only way for them to win right now. Calling for claims only benefits town.

We are seriously so close to winning this. Do not mess it up, zakk.

[Elyse]

Tool who do you think is scum

[toolenduso]

Garmr and Skelda. Despite what he's doing now, zakk pushed for me to be cleared. I don't see why scum would do that in the situation we were in at the beginning of day five.

But I also think you're right, that if Garmr or Skelda claims a PR the scum will be the two VT's of the group.

[Elyse]

Ok I could see that.

[zakk]

Okay tool, since you think it's Garmr/Skelda I will unvote real quick.

Unvote: Elyse

But do you really not see anything I've said before as coming from scum?

Elyse is really really obviously scum.




And Elyse, I'm not going to dignify any of your posts with a response, since they are clearly only self-preservatory, fashioned to make you look as town as possible and designed to make anyone who reads them think you're just a poor widdo townie who's being unfairly bullied. Which is bull.

[zakk]

Can you at least understand why we should wait for Garmr and Skelda to claim before we vote?

Oh believe me, I understand. I understand completely.

[toolenduso]

Thank you zakk. And yes, I did think some of the stuff you've said was scummy. Coming into today I was starting to think you were scum. But I think the closer to the wire we've gotten, the more people's true colors have come out.

[zakk]

Garmr and Skelda. Despite what he's doing now, zakk pushed for me to be cleared. I don't see why scum would do that in the situation we were in at the beginning of day five.

But I also think you're right, that if Garmr or Skelda claims a PR the scum will be the two VT's of the group.

Ok I could see that.

Well I'm a VT and I am definitely not scum.

The reason Elyse agrees with this, tool, is because she thinks claims can save either her or Skelda, and will screw over somebody else. This is a false dilemma.

Preview edit: And I didn't mean "did you think stuff I've said was scummy", I meant "did you think stuff I've pointed out about Elyse was scummy"

[toolenduso]

Oh OK. Well I'll have to look back over what you've said about Elyse and respond when I get home, which should be in the next hour or so.