N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

[Rail Tracer]

also the babysitter is a weird bracket claim since i've never heard of it and all the other roles are actual roles.

turns out there's at least one precedent for a role called "babysitter" (here) but i dunno if it is the same as this game.

i think SP is more likely town, anyway, though.

[Rail Tracer]

triggered by what? not being asleep?

[Rail Tracer]

triggered vigilante would be a nice pun if it actually existed, though. just sayin'

[Rail Tracer]

if you

know

you're a "redirected

_backup_

doctor" then ... ... ...

i need to go back and look at your claim properly, because i don't remember you talking about being a backup

[Rail Tracer]

while you did claim "if there is no doctor..." you failed to mention being a backup (which would imply there

is

a doctor)

which seems like a pretty vital piece of information to leave out of your claim

and seems stranger because if you know you're a backup, then you should know why your role might not work without a doctor dying. . .

[Rail Tracer]

maybe it would be implied in a normal game, but not in this game. because doctor isn't a N word. i think. last time i checked it wasn't.

still, i don't see why you wouldn't claim everything about your role when you claimed, in the interests of full disclosure.

[Rail Tracer]

Varsoon's role stresses me out.

ditto

It does appear Shadow, that you are looking scumish as well given what you specified.

go on...

mod said there is at least one Townie. So my guess is one of rail and dante is the liar there.

apart from this being borderline retarded, there have been two VT flips, so technically both of us could be lying.

but yeah, this is borderline retarded logic.

[Rail Tracer]

mit's #1646 saddens me because it completely rules out the possibility that varsoon is scum. that's what irks me about varsoon, not the possibilities that include him being town.

[Rail Tracer]

also pretty sure bb is town. don't be scum, bb. it would sadden me more than i am already saddened this game.

[Rail Tracer]

rc + bb town?
sp town?
majify town? but lazy as all fuck!

hm

i think luna is a good lynch today. need to check something.

[Rail Tracer]

votecounts coloured in, no analysis yet. going to come back to it later after a break. or tomorrow if i cbf.

D1 votecounts suggest to me that peace has a decent chance of being scum. luna maybe as well. there's a lot of wagons that sprouted that i want to look at a bit more.

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.02

PeaceBringer (2)

dopog

,

DeasVail

theloveofneroandmollie

(1)

ooba

MUM[Varsoon] (1)

SleepyKrew[Majiffy]

VA(Mitillos) (2)

MUM[Varsoon]

SleepyKrew[Majiffy] (7)

Rail Tracer, BBmolla,

theloveofneroandmollie

, VA[Mitillos],

Katsuki

, PeaceBringer, Dante

Not voting

: Luna Lovegood, Shadowy Poison,

mnemonicdevice

,

Nani

, Vifam[RC]

Vote Count 1.05

dopog

(2)

Shadowy Poison,

mnemonicdevice

Rail Tracer (1)

dopog

PeaceBringer (5)

DeasVail

, SleepyKrew[Majiffy],

Nani

,

Katsuki

,

theloveofneroandmollie

theloveofneroandmollie

(1)

ooba

MUM[Varsoon] (1)

Rail Tracer

VA[Mitillos] (2)

MUM[Varsoon]

SleepyKrew[Majiffy] (4)

BBmolla, VA[Mitillos], PeaceBringer, Dante

Not voting

: Luna Lovegood, Vifam[RC]

Vote Count 1.08

dopog

(2)

Shadowy Poison,

mnemonicdevice

DeasVail

(1)

Luna Lovegood

Shadowy Poison (1)

SleepyKrew[Majiffy]

Rail Tracer (4)

dopog

, MUM[Varsoon], Dante

PeaceBringer (2)

Nani

,

Katsuki

Katsuki

(6)

DeasVail

, PeaceBringer,

theloveofneroandmollie

, Rail Tracer, ooba, BBmolla

SleepyKrew[Majiffy] (1)

VA[Mitillos]

Not voting

: Vifam[RC]

Vote Count 1.09

dopog

(2)

Shadowy Poison,

mnemonicdevice

DeasVail

(1)

Luna Lovegood

Rail Tracer (4)

dopog

, MUM[Varsoon], Dante

PeaceBringer (2)

Nani

,

Katsuki

Katsuki

(7)

DeasVail

, PeaceBringer,

theloveofneroandmollie

, Rail Tracer, ooba, SleepyKrew[Majiffy], BBmolla

SleepyKrew[Majiffy] (1)

VA[Mitillos]

Not voting

: Vifam[RC]

Vote Count 1.15

dopog

(4)

Shadowy Poison,

theloveofneroandmollie

, Luna Lovegood,

Nani

Dante (1)

mnemonicdevice

Shadowy Poison (1)

RadiantCowbells

Rail Tracer (3)

dopog

, MUM[Varsoon]

mnemonicdevice

(1)

Dante

PeregrineV

(6)

PeaceBringer, Rail Tracer, ooba, Diabolik[Majiffy], BBmolla,

DeasVail

Nani

(1)

PeregrineV

Diabolik[Majiffy] (1)

Mitillos

Vote Count 1.16

dopog

(7)

Shadowy Poison,

theloveofneroandmollie

, Luna Lovegood,

Nani

, Rail Tracer,

DeasVail

,

mnemonicdevice

Rail Tracer (3)

dopog

, MUM[Varsoon]

PeaceBringer (1)

RadiantCowbells

mnemonicdevice

(2)

Dante, Mitillos

PeregrineV

(4)

PeaceBringer, ooba, Diabolik[Majiffy], BBmolla

Nani

(1)

PeregrineV

Vote Count 1.20 ((FINAL))

dopog

(10)

Shadowy Poison,

theloveofneroandmollie

, Luna Lovegood,

Nani

, Rail Tracer,

DeasVail

,

mnemonicdevice

,

PeregrineV

,

PeaceBringer

, RadiantCowbells

Dante (2)

ooba, Diabolik[Majiffy]

Rail Tracer (3)

dopog

, MUM[Varsoon]

mnemonicdevice

(2)

Dante, Mitillos

PeregrineV

(1)

BBmolla

---

---

Vote Count 2.05

Shadowy Poison (1)

mnemonicdevice

mnemonicdevice

(5)

Dante, Rail Tracer, ooba , MUM[Varsoon]

PeregrineV

(2)

PeaceBringer, Diabolik[Majiffy]

MUM[Varsoon] (1)

BBmolla

Mitillos (1)

Luna Lovegood

RadiantCowbells (1)

DeasVail

Diabolik[Majiffy] (1)

Shadowy Poison

Not voting

:

PeregrineV

,

Nani

, Mitillos, RadiantCowbells

Vote Count 2.07

Luna Lovegood (1)

DeasVail

PeaceBringer (2)

PeregrineV

,

mnemonicdevice

mnemonicdevice

(7)

Dante, Rail Tracer, ooba, MUM[Varsoon], Luna Lovegood, Mitillos

PeregrineV

(2)

PeaceBringer, Diabolik[Majiffy]

MUM[Varsoon] (1)

BBmolla

Mitillos (2)

Nani

, Shadowy Poison

BBmolla (1)

RadiantCowbells

Vote Count 2.09

Luna Lovegood (1)

DeasVail

PeaceBringer (1)

mnemonicdevice

mnemonicdevice

(7)

Dante, Rail Tracer, MUM[Varsoon], Luna Lovegood, Mitillos,

PeregrineV

Kmd4390

(2)

BBmolla, Majiffy

Mitillos (3)

Kmd4390

, Shadowy Poison, PeaceBringer

BBmolla (2)

RadiantCowbells, ooba

Vote Count 2.11 ((FINAL))

PeaceBringer (1)

mnemonicdevice

mnemonicdevice

(9)

Dante, Rail Tracer, MUM[Varsoon], Luna Lovegood, Mitillos,

PeregrineV

,

DeasVail

, PeaceBringer

Kmd4390

(2)

BBmolla, Majiffy

Mitillos (2)

Shadowy Poison,

Kmd4390

BBmolla (2)

RadiantCowbells, ooba

---

---

Vote Count 3.05

Luna Lovegood (2)

DeasVail

, PeaceBringer

Rail Tracer (1)

Kmd4390

PeaceBringer (2)

KA[Varsoon]

Kmd4390

(1)

Majiffy

Mitillos (4)

ooba, Rail Tracer, Shadowy Poison, BBmolla

BBmolla (1)

RadiantCowbells

Not voting

: Luna Lovegood, Dante, Mitillos

Vote Count 3.07

Luna Lovegood (3)

DeasVail

, PeaceBringer, BBmolla

Rail Tracer (1)

Kmd4390

PeaceBringer (2)

Varsoon

Kmd4390

(3)

Majiffy, Mitillos, Dante

Mitillos (3)

ooba, Rail Tracer, Shadowy Poison

BBmolla (1)

RadiantCowbells

Not voting

: Luna Lovegood

Vote Count 3.09

Rail Tracer (1)

Kmd4390

PeaceBringer (2)

Varsoon

Kmd4390

(3)

Majiffy, Mitillos, Dante

Mitillos (7)

ooba, Rail Tracer, Shadowy Poison, Luna Lovegood, BBmolla, PeaceBringer,

DeasVail

BBmolla (1)

RadiantCowbells

Vote Count 3.11 ((FINAL))

Luna Lovegood (1)

PeaceBringer

Rail Tracer (1)

Kmd4390

Kmd4390

(8)

Majiffy, Mitillos, Dante, Rail Tracer, ooba, BBmolla, Varsoon

Mitillos (3)

Shadowy Poison, Luna Lovegood,

DeasVail

BBmolla (1)

RadiantCowbells

---

---

Vote Count 4.03

Luna Lovegood (2)

PeaceBringer, BBmolla

PeaceBringer (1)

Luna Lovegood

Mitillos (4)

RadiantCowbells, Shadowy Poison, Varsoon

Not voting

: Dante, Rail Tracer, Mitillos, Majiffy, ooba

[Rail Tracer]

also. luna is probably scum but he's right that it's probably a good idea to cut off scum daytalk.

[Rail Tracer]

Luna is town or SK. Either way, let Mafia deal with it.

welllll, at least you're so naive that i don't think you can be scum.

Varsoon's alignment is irrelevant.

no, it isn't. i'm not worried about varsoon being hated scum. i'm worried about him being NOT-hated scum. 'coz, you know, the only way to actually test it is to try to lynch him.

plus if varsoon is scum, as SP said, if we mislynch today then we either have to lynch varsoon tomorrow and hope he's scum, or hope to dear god he's town.

[Rail Tracer]

btw, i think everyone should at least have a look over the vote counts i posted in #1655 and pay particular attention to the people on the peacebringer wagon at all stages of the game, and where peacebringer's vote is at all stages of the game.

i think it strongly suggests peacebringer scum. plus i really want to cut off scum day talk.

i wanna do some ISO stuff before i commit to anything, but i'm thinking peacebringer is the play today.

[Rail Tracer]

Why would he have come up with a fakeclaim like that?

i hear lying is a thing scum do.

[Rail Tracer]

I am a banana. That is a lie. Am I scum for saying it? No.

logic101. all A have property B doesn't imply anything with property B is A.

The thing about scum lying is that they do it when there is a tangible benefit to them. They don't just go "MUST LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!".
What benefit would Varsoon gain from claiming hated?

because he needed to claim

some sort of negative utility

to go along with his double-voting ability or we'd lynch him on the spot.

he may actually be hated, or he could have some other negative utility aspect attached to his role and be lying about being hated because they're 1 mislynch away from a win, orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr he might not have negative utility attached to his role.

The thing is, people have been attacking him for his role, instead of his alignment.

that's because every player in his slot, him included, have been a useless pile of null.

[Rail Tracer]

who do you actually think is scum, mit?

give me 4 names.

[Rail Tracer]

you're talking a lot but you're not actually doing anything in the way of finding scum, or talking about who you think is scum

[Rail Tracer]

i think it is related to the block. i think PV was targeted N1 (i remember him specifically talking about being N-blocked - i'm guessing this meant nagged).

only thing i don't get is how the message you got related to your role, whereas the message i got was just along the lines of needing to know i'm not naughty and using the word nice in my first post.

obviously it was a troll message but it's weird that you got one relating to your role.

[Rail Tracer]

i'm also guessing it's a non-consecutive nagging role

[Rail Tracer]

@RC: Your behaviour in a single newbie game doesn't absolutely mean you're scum in this. I'd rather get some actual scum, before considering you and BB, since I'm fairly certain at least one of you is town.

i don't get it. you think there's scum in RC/BB, but the last part of this paragraph makes it seem like this is something you're uncertain about, and you're talking to RC as though you don't even think he's scum.

I don't have three names. If there had been a scum flip, I might.

if there

had

been a scum flip, i'd be pretty fine with you not having three names, but there hasn't been one so there's still (probably) 4 alive, and you can only name maybe 1, and maybe another in two people, but you're not sure which.

[Rail Tracer]

like you don't say "at least one of you is town" if you think there's definitely scum in those two.

[Rail Tracer]

i was nagged last night.

[Rail Tracer]

(i mean non-consecutive on the same target, i dunno the word for that)

[Rail Tracer]

your reads are absolutely awful unless you think shadow and i are both lying about being nagged

i mean, as far as i'm concerned, shadowy poison is about as confirmed as a player can be in this setup

[Rail Tracer]

i have no idea what you're on about, but at least try to look town.

i'm not scum, and i'm almost certain shadow isn't scum.

so try again and come up with a better list.

[Rail Tracer]

you're so lost rofl

[Rail Tracer]

you're clearly not reading, since i think you're scum with luna. plus me being in "get a lynch" mode would imply i'm actually pushing a lynch. and i'm not. although i did urge people to look through the votecounts i posted and make their own conclusions.

although you're right that i'm steering away from SP, but that's mainly because i believe his claim, i like the way he pushed mitillos after mitillos's claim, and he was nagged like i was.

plus i don't give two shits that you happened to be right about some scum in one game you played. i

know

you're either wrong or scum here, so there's that.

[Rail Tracer]

ok

[Rail Tracer]

no

i would be lying if i didn't say i'm probably going to end up voting you today unless i see reason to vote someone else

you don't look town. VCA suggests you're scum. the only reason i'm not currently voting you is because i want to take some time to properly read through ISOs before i commit to a vote today

if i really wanted to break down the reads you gave on the previous page and show why they're completely wrong, i could, but i don't really see a point unless people are foolish enough to take your seriously. maybe i will anyway, just as something to do

[Rail Tracer]

the brief version of it?

look at your position on every wagon, and look at who has voted you throughout the game. outside of majiffy D1 you've

only

been voted by confirmed town players.

[Rail Tracer]

actually RC as well at one point. and maybe BB i forget. but you can look at it, since i pulled up all the most relevant votecounts a few pages back

[Rail Tracer]

well seeing how we only have dead confirmed town players, how would you know if scum did or did not vote me?

the peak of your D1 wagon had 4 now-dead townies and sleepykrew(majiffy)

outside of that there have been a couple random votes here and there from unconfirmed players, but mostly dead confirmed town players voting you

[Rail Tracer]

ok. it's been fun chatting with you, but i honestly don't see the point anymore.

you're either wrong or scum, and since you show no inclination to reconsider your read on me, and i'm probably not going to change my mind about you, it's pointless to clutter up the thread anymore talking to you.

[Rail Tracer]

hey desp

why don't you think nacho is scum?

[Rail Tracer]

i'm also beginning to think peacebringer could just be really, really dumb and not necessarily scum.

those reads are just plain awful, but i'm not entirely sure scum-pb looks at the gamestate and goes, "oh attacking RT and SP will work!" especially since if he's scum, he'd know we were roleblocked by the nagger.

[Rail Tracer]

They've probably already gameplanned for his lynch and they just told him to make a list without making any waves, and no one is going to take that rambling BS seriously, so no harm/no foul.

yeah. maybe. or he could be town who has insanely bad reads.

i'll get around to reading probably after a nap then make a decision. or waffle on about stuff for a bit more. i dunno. back later.

[Rail Tracer]

Maj's 1670 is an attempt to play dumb. I can't believe anybody won't know who the double voter is.

i dunno. i wouldn't put anything beyond majiffy. i don't see what you think he has to gain by playing dumb about that, though.

Doesn't look like well thought out scum posturing

doesn't look well-thought out altogether

I don't know why but I'm also getting increasingly paranoid about Shadow.

i'm almost certain they're town. if my theory about the nagger is correct (non-consecutive on the same target, would explain why PV was killed isntead of roleblocked N2, and would explain why the same target hasn't been nagged twice yet) then i think it's soooo much more likely they're town who was nagged over scum lying about it.

[Rail Tracer]

i also think the way they attacked mitillos's claim rang genuine, so there's that, too.

not sure what makes you paranoid about them

[Rail Tracer]

The bolded never happened,
The info from a Peace flip will be helpful in the following -days-, regardless of if I'm alive or not,
But the biggest thing is that I'm not scum.

the bolded didn't happen but you clearly stated intent

and i don't see why you'd vote based on information when we're most likely one mislynch away from lylo. like yeah, i get that you think one of peace/ooba is scum, but meh.

who are your other scum reads, again?

VOTE: RC

nah

[Rail Tracer]

who do you think is scum, btw, bb?

[Rail Tracer]

you think RC could be scum?

i'm currently working off a base town list of : sp, bb, rc

[Rail Tracer]

maybe majiffy too, but he's being so very, very useless that i dunno

i'm pretty sure i could close my eyes and throw a dart at the rest of the playerlist and have a decent chance of hitting scum

unless my reads are just super super super horrible

[Rail Tracer]

i actually want to sit down today and read through ISOs and work out who is actually scum.

i'm just finding it so hard to put any effort into this game when it feels like nobody else is.

might go get lunch and force myself to go through ISOs.

[Rail Tracer]

RC was acting in a highly illogical manner

pffft

what do you know?

i think his repeated votes on BB without even trying to seriously push for that lynch was a clear sign of someone who was playing a highly logical, well-thought-out game. the self vote was just an example of next-level thinking.

[Rail Tracer]

ok. fo serious, tonight i'm doing ISO reading. getting dinner, maybe watching something while i eat. and then reading here. bbl.

[Rail Tracer]

hey nacho

why was mnem your N1 target?

before you had any idea that your role was useless, you targeted mnem. last thing you said about mnem D1 was

This makes me think mem is more town than scum. Generally drifting around with absolutely no purpose, no posturing, nothing is better than opportunism and all that crap. Obviously just a lean, but.

also what changed between the above and your first post D2?

Mnemonic was my other good option for the day, but for obvious reasons it probably isn't the best choice.

any particular reason for kid A as your N2 target?

[Rail Tracer]

i'm thinking luna lynch might be fine today actually.

trying to work out whether a luna-dante-varsoon-mitillos team makes any sense.

[Rail Tracer]

there has to be a reason for scum to be keeping us alive at this point.

you think too much of yourself.

N1 killing neromollie over you isn't too much of a surprise. N2 killing PV over you makes sense if the roleblocker couldn't target him two nights in a row and they were worried what sort of confirmable role he had. N3 also makes sense if they were worried about whatever role DV had, as well.

[Rail Tracer]

i should probably vote someone, hey?

thinking luna.

someone convince me not to.

[Rail Tracer]

that's... pretty damn convincing, actually.

who should i vote instead, nacho?

[Rail Tracer]

NACHO

hey nacho

why was mnem your N1 target?

before you had any idea that your role was useless, you targeted mnem. last thing you said about mnem D1 was

This makes me think mem is more town than scum. Generally drifting around with absolutely no purpose, no posturing, nothing is better than opportunism and all that crap. Obviously just a lean, but.

also what changed between the above and your first post D2?

Mnemonic was my other good option for the day, but for obvious reasons it probably isn't the best choice.

any particular reason for kid A as your N2 target?

no hammers before this plx

[Rail Tracer]

Varsoon/Dante/Mitillos/ooba is where I sit right now

why ooba?

i had doubts about ooba before i went over his ISO but i'm thinking ooba-town seems much more likely here. didn't you think treestump=autotownclaim earlier?

If one of Rail Tracer, BBmolla, and PeaceBringer aren't scum, then I'll buy you a pizza.

i want at least 5 pizzas from you if this is the case. agreed? i'll be sure to take you up on it postgame, too, so you better be serious if you agree to this.

[Rail Tracer]

mostly activity levels, quality of content, and vote-patterns.

also, elaborate on the first two

[Rail Tracer]

For all you voting me. When I flip please lynch Varsoon.

That is all.

really? no other thoughts on the game?

[Rail Tracer]

i actually think there's a decent chance dante could be being bussed here.

i still think a luna lynch isn't a bad idea.

i am not sure what to make of varsoon's hop off the dante wagon. ooba vote is kind of meh, and the reasoning is rather weak. anyone who isn't connection hunting at this point is probably scum, which is why i don't mind the dante lynch (when the only thing he has to say is, "lynch varsoon!!!!")

i know i'm being indecisive here, but meh. i'll end up voting either dante or luna today.

[Rail Tracer]

we can make it a date!

just us two, on a candle-lit luna wagon, a little wine, some fine food (i'm thinking mcdonalds)

it'll be spectacular

[Rail Tracer]

no, mnem voted dopog before that post, and you were calling him a town lean in that post.

[Rail Tracer]

i want to lynch you, nacho

do something that looks town

[Rail Tracer]

Varsoon/Dante/Mitillos/ooba is where I sit right now

is this still where you're at?

because the way you talked to varsoon in 1952 doesn't look like something i'd expect you to say to a scum read about a scum read

[Rail Tracer]

i would usually call the behaviour dante is currently displaying more typical of town than scum, but at this point it's antitown enough that i don't really care.

[Rail Tracer]

Vote: Luna

i'll probably hammer when i wake up but i still wouldn't mind a nacho lynch. nacho lynch is never a bad idea.

[Rail Tracer]

The word bah does not contain the letter N.