N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

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Vote: dopog

Mollie I'm sensing peace-buddy vibes from dopog's 89 as well, what do you think?

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-Des

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Stop hydra slipping Nero, gawsh

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Oh

My

God

ooba is town

his t/s list is perty

why is Skrew being forced to claim?

we are not lurkers

LUNA LOVE, WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?

Pedit: what?

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that was like, my first post here ._.

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and I am talking about 221?

I agreed on Dpog scum

and Pb scum with Desp though

and we both agree that dog is going to be scum before PB (I think)

we both think it is very obvious that you are town, and it would be awesome if you decided to work with us

umm...

we both have strong reads on neromollie

and Nacho is making me sad

I have a gut scum-read on Trail

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I didn't get notice of it until today

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You could as the other hydra's if they had the daystart PM sent to their mains

because ours wasn't

and I didn't even know the game started until Desp started talking to me on skype

but, instead of dwelling on whether or not I'm telling the truth

how about commenting on everything else I've posted?

what are your thoughts on Luna?

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Sometime earlier today

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or rather yesterday

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Sometime earlier today

Yo Desp why didn't you talk to Mara until today

???

Where are you going with this?

dopog ignoring my vote isn't doing much to engender his towniness to me.

-Des

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???

Where are you going with this?

Please just answer.

Because I didn't.

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Why single out Shadow - but not mention Luna or Vifam who didn't even post at this time?

Vifam had no posts.
Luna had one empty post from the start of the game.
Shadowy actually had one post of content, so seeing useless fluff from them caught my attention.

Why is the order of the fluff relevant?

Unless you don't expect Vifam or Luna to provide any content at all.

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What answer were you looking for there?

I didn't talk to Mara until I talked to her. Why? Because I didn't.

What am I missing here?

-Des

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Why am I obviously town?

I didn't see any scum motivation for claiming a negative utility role + now refusing to full claim.

Are the neromollie reads conflicting?

Nope, they are town.

Since they've actually provided content now, my fluff argument can go to buggery for all I care. But I think they're lying about activity. I can believe that Mara didn't know the game started. I can believe that Desp didn't contact her until yesterday. What I can't believe is that he doesn't have a reason for not contacting her until yesterday.

This is my problem--you're presuming that I need a reason to have not contacted her. You asked why I didn't talk to her until Thursday and the answer is "because I hadn't had an opportunity to do so," aka "because I didn't."

Now that you're done with the fluff case, are you seriously voting us based solely on what you perceive to be...whatever it is you think you've caught us in here?

-Des sorry

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Mara, why aren't you voting Kats?

Why should I be voting kats?

What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far

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Mara, why aren't you voting Kats?

Why should I be voting kats?

What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far

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Because Luna and Vifam hadn't (and still haven't) started playing the game, whereas you did. I've got no problem with fluff- in fact I'm quite fond of it- but going "here's a post of content OKAY NOW FLUFF TIME" makes me think that you were trying to fly under the radar.

even with the consideration that it's two different people?

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Vote: Shadowy Poison

I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this

just, don't kill me

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Shadowy, I would not have a problem if Desp initially said "I didn't have an opportunity to contact her". Instead, he avoided answering. Also, you seem to have missed that I threw my fluff argument out the window.

No, I've noticed it but it doesn't change the fact that it did cross your brain and it still doesn't change the fact that I want an answer to said question

You scum-read desp for avoiding your question, how are you not doing the same thing here?

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Why do you think DV as town would claim he thinks a game is MB on day 1 just for no reason?

i dunno... maybe because he does? that would seem like the obvious answer

I agree with RT

@SleepyKrew, can you link me to your most recent scum and town games please.

Too much meta.

Vote mnemonicdevice

How is using meta D1 scummy again? You say later that it's pointless, but you never actually explain how that makes mnemonic scum for asking for it.

In post 111, Shadowy Poison wrote:
Vote: dopog

Mollie I'm sensing peace-buddy vibes from dopog's 89 as well, what do you think?

Another newbie chainsawing the more experienced partner?
Mmmm.

Huh? I don't understand what you meant here.

Unvote.
Vote: Katsuki

Hated this vote.

... even if this weren't something that town players do, why not comment on peacebringer bringing up katsuki's meta? why is mnemonic scum for doing it?

You're inside my head.

Unvote, Vote Rail Tracer

Why isn't Peace Bringer dead yet?

He voted a player who he thought he was town after he was pressured to make a stance, how obvious this can be?

This post sucked. Nani

had not posted

since her initial Peace push. THIS is what scum fluff looks like.

Mara, why aren't you voting Kats?

Why should I be voting kats?

What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far

You should be voting Kats while there's still time to get town cred for bussin' your buddy.

That line is never even half as clever as you think it is nero.

Also, luna lovegod can die too

No.

UNVOTE:

Katsuki isn't trolling as much as he should be. Something is off.

Nah k nvm

VOTE: Katsuki

Whoever said SK is fluffposting is ridiculous btw

molla what's up with this and the SK buddying? It's all terribly scummy.

Spoiler: catchup wall

...its not like people read these anyway

NICE
SicklyKrew
BBmolla
neromollie
DeasVeil
mutleydra
Nani*
Katsuki

???
vifam
mnemonic
whateverthefuckthathydrawithmarpleiscalledsinceitsanewoneeverygame

NAUGHTY
dopog
Rail Tracer
Dante
Peacebringer*


@ooba: Dante doesn't seen to be an alt. Just guessing from his posting.

Swap Peace and Nani and get Rail out of your scum pile immediately.

your reads suck, andrius

It's ok for you to admit that you only think they suck because he's wrong about you. The rest of his reads are pretty good.

Hey guys- checking in to say replacing Katsuki. 20 pages isn't too bad, so should be caught up by tonight or tomorrow.

sucks to be you having to come into someone else's mess. Sorry, but do not think you are going to say anything that will convince me that the slot is not scum based on your predecessor's actions.

This is almost like a reverse-Amished tell.

@ mollie: why did you ignore me re: dopog earlier and why are you voting them now?

@ Andy: on second thought, you can keep Peace in your scumpile. What were you seeing up to then?



{dopog, Nani, BBmolla, Dante, ooba}

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- Des

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@ molla: I didn't like your silent hop on Kat after you reached out to them earlier, I didn't like your unvote after Kat replaced out, and I didn't like your reaction to getting called out on unvoting.

@ Dante: Why did you answer my question with "you tell me?" The closest you come to explaining why mnemonic asking for meta is scummy it was "lazy" and "just another way to make shit up." It could be reasonably argued that asking someone to provide their own meta is another form of info-gathering, so I don't think your justification holds water. It also appears to be projection, given the lame, lazy votes that make up your ISO.

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PEdit: I'm actually more interested in why Dante is town.

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Why is it alarming? Do you think it's not possible he has role-related info that could lead him to believe it's multiball?

I don't think muffin is derpy and I wasn't "sheeping" anything, so you can shove that up your ass.

And I don't remember saying Kats was town.

-Des

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{dopog, Nani, BBmolla, Dante, ooba}

So this is not a scumlist? What is it then?

Knowing that a game is multiball isn't information that town should have on day 1 and I think any townie worth their weight in salt would be very cautious about that post. I think if he were town and had that belief he'd have no trouble telling us why he thinks that. The fact he's ignoring it and hoping that it (the question) just goes away also doesn't make me think its pro-town.

Tell me what you guys think of the Kat/PV slot?

Yes it's a scumlist. That doesn't make the other 11 town by default.

Nothing stood out about Kat for either of us. And I have some experience with Peregrine so I'm going to give him some space and sort him later.

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{dopog, Nani, BBmolla, Dante, ooba}

So this is not a scumlist? What is it then?

Knowing that a game is multiball isn't information that town should have on day 1 and I think any townie worth their weight in salt would be very cautious about that post. I think if he were town and had that belief he'd have no trouble telling us why he thinks that. The fact he's ignoring it and hoping that it (the question) just goes away also doesn't make me think its pro-town.

Tell me what you guys think of the Kat/PV slot?

Yes it's a scumlist. That doesn't make the other 11 town by default.

Nothing stood out about Kat for either of us. And I have some experience with Peregrine so I'm going to give him some space and sort him later.

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Also: I call bullshit.

Deas didn't say he "knew" it was multiball, he said it's "very likely." That's speculation.

Here's mollie speculating multiball D1 in Red Wedding

Mollie is entirely correct when she says site meta points towards multiball.

Really not like this from you Nero.

- Des

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is this about me not replying to you or something

No, it's about Nero's position on Deas speculating multiball D1 as town. It's really really wrong and not in a town-Nero way.

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Also: I call bullshit.

Deas didn't say he "knew" it was multiball, he said it's "very likely." That's speculation.

Here's mollie speculating multiball D1 in Red Wedding

Mollie is entirely correct when she says site meta points towards multiball.

HA!

There's a big difference between this game and red wedding. red wedding was based on a show/theme. Mollie is 100% correct that MB is very commom around here but those are usually in larger games.

A 5/12 split seems reasonable for this size of game. A 5 man scum team or a 4 man team and a sk are both plausible.

"Speculating" on a 3 man/2 man split looks like inside info. Its completely reasonable to ask him why he has such a belief.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you consider scum + SK to be multiball?

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Just so I have this straight, you have enough experience to guess he is the SK in a multiball setup that slipped that it's multiball, but town Deas can't come to the same conclusion?

- Des

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So you're town and had no trouble assuming scum + SK, but Deas made the same assumption...and it's an SK slip?

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Vote: Shadowy Poison

I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this

just, don't kill me

What are you thinking about this fine game we have going on in front of us?

I think that nero/mollie is still really freaking town so I'm disengaging this 1v1 before it gets out of hand

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Town
theloveofneroandmollie (Nero Cain/pirate mollie hydra)
ooba


BBmolla
Luna Lovegood* (Nachomamma8/Andrius hydra)


Diabolik (replaced SleepyKrew)
Metal Unites Mutley* (Metal Sonic/Mutleyddmc hydra)

Null
Nani*
Dante
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra)
PeregrineV (replaced Katsuki)
Viera Assassin
Vifam*
mnemonicdevice

Scum
dopog
DeasVail
PeaceBringer

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Null
Nani*
Dante
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra)
PeregrineV (replaced Katsuki)
Viera Assassin
Vifam*
mnemonicdevice

Tracer, PV, and Viera move to the townish side of null

Tracer could be stronger I guess, Desp certainly thinks he's town and alot of his more recent posts cancel out alot of the reasons to why I thought he was scummy earlier

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Huh? I don't understand what you meant here.

Talking with Mara there.


NAUGHTY
poison
dopog

well tough, because I don't know what you mean there either

and Desp is the one who voted Dopog not me? however I do agree with his suspicion there

Still waiting for the reason to why both of you guys seemingly suspect us

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and I just made an alignments list so I'm obviously thinking

I have been completely chill though, and mystical, and lazy and stuff though I'll give you that

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Vote: dopog

Hmm?

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That is a shit-load of nulls

if you're going for a utility lynch, why are you trying to start a new wagon?

I think Nani is town, and Dopog is still scum

there are alot of useless this game, and I do admit that I havn't been at my best so far however

Tracer and Dopog are fairly decent utility lynches

Dia could be too, if he ever checks in
Mnenomic is another
Metal Mutley
and Dante

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Have you looked at the list I posted?

Desperado is scum-reading Molla and ooba, I have them both as town, ooba being a strong read for me and molla almost as strong.

Desperado has you as strong town, so while I'd be content with lynching you, desperado isn't. Vice versa with molla and ooba

we have individual thoughts, but ultimately we aren't going to lynch anyone that one of us has a town read on so that "list" of players would be reduced to 6, might even be less depending on how desp feels about some of my other choices

6 potential suspects out of 17 players overall isn't that bad

I wouldn't cry over Nani being lynched, but she is probably town which means I have better targets in mind

which brings it down to 5

also keep in mind that those are utility lynches to an extent, if I were to lynch my scum reads, it would be Pog, DV, and PB and Pog is the only strong read I have of those three

our vote is on the one we both have a strong scumread on

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Dante's mnem vote is awful, both justification and timing wise.

Nani is town if Dante flips scum. Do not get scum theater vibes from their recent spat.

@ Molla: Nothing more to talk about really, we already covered it. We can dance another day.

She was kind of scummy anyway (which isn't too bad since there isn't really anyone I feel excited about lynching), and if we lynch then it's one less replacement for the mods to find.

I'd be quite willing to go back to the PV wagon if that's needed though.

What the fuck is this shit

{dopog, ooba, molla, dante, deas}

- Des

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we have individual thoughts, but ultimately we aren't going to lynch anyone that one of us has a town read on so that "list" of players would be reduced to 6, might even be less depending on how desp feels about some of my other choices

ok. i was inferring that you don't consolidate reads before voting, and that your votes have nothing to do with what the other head thinks, particularly because desp's vote on dopog was apparently before you even knew the game had started.

why am i a "utility" lynch?

we didn't consolidate Prior, but that doesn't mean we didn't do it after I became aware of the game?

further more, I havn't moved off the Dopog vote so, I probably agree with it

you are a utility lynch because I don't see you as very useful, and I stepped back on my scum-read on you (which was weak) because my partner has a stronger town read on you

you would give a few answer's I think as well should you be lynched at this point

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why is everyone avoiding the Pog wagon?

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VOTE: Shadowy Poison

That vote is good for now. I may reconsider it upon further reading.

I was going to vote Dante but MD is voting Dante and it's completely against policy for me to sheep MD.

At what point in the game were you when this vote seemed like a good idea?

Dopog is an ok lynch, but there's nothing exciting there for me.

Yeah you'd much rather votepark on someone getting replaced. I look forward to your analysis of Mitillos' replace in.

Dante: Seems to be making a good effort to scumhunt. Some fluff and useless posts here and there, but otherwise seems alright.
Read: Town.

DeasVail: Makes clear reads and well-reasoned justifications. Is prepared to re-evaluate his reads.
Read: Town.

dopog: Liking his posts reasonably well. Also goes to the townpile.
Read: Town.

All three of these townreads are lazy as fuck. Quote Dante's best scumhunting efforts, explain how giving well-reasoned justifications and being prepared to reevalute reads = town, and show your work on dopog.

- Des

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1) @Shadow: Yes, they are lazy. But then, I did need to read through 27 pages and read 16 players, so what did you expect?
2) Re Dante: Post 55 (eliminate the WIFOM), his discussion with Nani (posts 638-645), some of his questions to Peace and Pere.
3) Re Deas: Giving well-reasoned justifications for your reads generally means they are coming from a town mindset (i.e. trying to find those who can be shown to be scum and convincing the rest of the town of this). Being prepared to reevaluate one's reads usually means you are open to arguments based on reasoning. This is also pro-town behaviour.
4) Re dopog: His posts with significant content (115 and 466) seem to me to be coming from a natural town thought process. Those are the ones I meant, when I said I liked his posts.

1) Some links to all of the information you just gave me?
2) "Eliminate the WIFOM" = scumhunting??? And I got the exact opposite impression from his discussion with Nani. Dopog was a legitimate wagon at the time and Nani added her own bit scumhunting to it, then Dante attacks her for it and even says he "doesn't see the offense?" Which Nani brutally slapped down later with like half a dozen dopog posts that illustrate her point.
3) You're right, it is pro-town behavior. I contend that every player should be expected to behave in a pro-town manner, as it advances both factions towards their wincon. So how does appearing pro-town = actually being town? Having a lot of nice reasons for doing what you're doing and being prepared to reevaluate isn't enough.
4) You thought dopog responding to posts from page 7 on page 19 and then doing a bunch of fencesitting on recent events came from a natural town thought process? I also think his case on Rail was weak, and I don't like at all how he scumread Peace before voting Rail because his read there was much stroner, and then never following up on his questions to peace. At the time it read like scumreading a buddy and voting someone else, and his behavior regarding it since only reaffirms that impression.

My town-read on you is equally lazy. 1) Any particular reason you skipped that? 2) What do you think of Pere's claim? 3) You gave some names in what I believe were scumreads, earlier. Were those in order of strength, or just arbitrary?

1) What's there to say? We're town, we're townposting, and you're either town who correctly spotted us townposting, or scum who already knew we were town.
2) I was never really interested in lynching Katsuki to begin with. Not at all surprised he was playing the way he was with a confirmable PR.
3) Rough order of strength.

- Des

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You can't complain about both me voteparking and moving my vote. It doesn't work that way.

I wasn't doing that?

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Townreads (note that some are weak):


Shadowy Poison

When did this happen

VOTE: Diabolik

I want to kill him

and after, I want to kill whoever the fuck replaced Mitillos

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Uhh...

Saki

who is Mitillos

either way, I wouldn't mind that being killed either

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you think we have more than one Framer?

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I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

that is a lie or you are paranoid...
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.

Can anyone confirm they have daytalk?

Look at Dante trying to look like he's doing something. Molla had just claimed his neighborhood 12 posts before.

i suppose bb could be scum who lied about being a naive cop because he didn't know what naive meant. he clearly didn't know what naive meant when he claimed.

i don't think bb is so noob to slip like that?

well he's either noob enough to both not read his role and not know what a naive cop is, orrrrrrrrrrrr he's noob enough to fake-claim that as scum.

in either case, the only thing we can know for sure is that he's a noob.

Was this muffin or xegarus?

@BBMolla: Why did you claim when you did?

I'm not willing to setup speculate yet. If we take everything at claimed value, I have a problem with the timing of the claim:
-> BB investigates RC in N1
--> He gets a guilty result . (He's stated in thread that he believes RC should be "fairly confirmed town" in the absence of a framer)

-> D2 starts. RC claims a guilty on Peacebringer.

Now put yourself in BB's place right now. Some one you believe is "fairly confirmed town" just claimed a guilty result. Why wouldn't I just lynch the target? Why would I claim at that point?
- It confuses everyone
- It narrows down the possible townies with "useful" power roles list for scum to target at night

Unvote. Vote: BBMolla

Ooba you seem to be confused. Molla is towntowntown. Wanna help kill the bad guys now?

The thing is though, I'm pretty sure BBmolla's played on EM a fair bit (I could be wrong though) and I think anyone from there would be quite familiar with the different kinds of cop, but again, I don't know.

Yeah, I have, I'm honestly not sure if even on EM cop sanity goes above framer though.

I'm not stupid guys, I just forgot I was naive and assumed I was paranoid because of the guilty result. That's where you're getting the lapse in logic.

Oh

Well this is awkward

...

It was a mod error

>_>

i suppose bb could be scum who lied about being a naive cop because he didn't know what naive meant. he clearly didn't know what naive meant when he claimed.

I know what a naive cop is

I had a guilty so I tried to think of possibilities. Which, assuming it was wasn't a mod error as I did, would be:

-Framer frame going above sanity.
-Targetable Psychotrooper
-Secret Normaliser

The first option seemed most likely.

Like I said: Molla is town and you can take that to the bank.

Can we all get back to hunting scum now? Peep the vote if you need a place to start.

- Des

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I know what a naive cop is

then why the fuck did you think getting a guilty on RC made RC near confirmed town?

that to me suggests you thought naive meant insane. and the fact you didn't ask the mod about how the fuck you could get a guilty suggests you had no idea what naive means.

He explained why he thought RC was town in the post you quoted.

- Des

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(hint: Militillos would be an excellent person to vote)

and speaking of him, Dia, what do you think of Militillos so far? why did you drop him from your initial list of suspicious people?

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Tracer, pleasepleaseplease stop going after molla. He's pretty freaking town and it would be awesome if you looked at the other people who are pushing him

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I thought I was a paranoid cop due to my guilty result. Then one of my neigbbors mentioned they had a guilty in the hood. And then I rechecked, realized I was naive, and realized something wasn't right.

you claimed naive in the same post you claimed the guilty. so this obviously isn't true.

It's pretty obvious that all of this happened before he claimed. Notice how there wasn't even a hint of confusion in molla's claim post?

- Des

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Yeah but you're slinging mud and making it easier for scum to push him so you need to stop it.

- Des

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Not only is that not what Diabolik was saying, it completely misunderstands the nature of peace's role.

- Des

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IF u re networker this means there are town with a qt, unless u re a scum networker.so town with a qt should be able to confirm u ?

I would think so and that is what kept me from just saying lynch me on day one... it did seem like BBMolla is connected with someone and have him as town.

Maybe I should translate Diabolik.

You claimed Networker. If you networked town last night, they should be able to verify they have a QT with you to confirm your claim. Who is the person that will confirm you have a QT with them?

Diabolik was actually saying this:

"If you are a networker, that means there are town with a QT...unless you are a scum networker. So town with a QT should be able to confirm you?"

Peace doesn't network anyone, his ability is passive: as long as he's alive, all active QTs have daytalk. He says so right here:

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

that is a lie or you are paranoid...
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.

How did you miss all this?

- Des

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yeah he is flying too low.. for sure 1/2 scum ae lurking.

What does this mean in terms of alignment to you?

why do you say scum is lurking

why did you drop him from your list of suspicion when you received your role PM?

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Further more, would you be willing to vote Mitillos with us?

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yeah he is flying too low.. for sure 1/2 scum ae lurking.

What does this mean in terms of alignment to you?

why do you say scum is lurking

why did you drop him from your list of suspicion when you received your role PM?

who is dropped from my list?

Further more, would you be willing to vote Mitillos with us?

naaa, not today.. are u willing to vote pv?

Mitillos, you dropped mitillos from your inital suspects

why are you avoiding the other questions, I want them answered please

I'm not willing to vote PV, no. I'm pretty sure he's town, why are you not willing to vote mitillos?

Mitillos, nope. no hydra dis. we don't have any yet, which is amazing

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PRODDED AFTER 48 HOURS, WHAT INSANITY IS THIS

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I confirm the mod error.

I am also positive that BB is scum. My gut has felt it since I first replaced into the QT.

comeon now

you are both cops, AND with confirmed Sanity. do you really, really think that, even if it is a neighborhood and not a masonry, that there is even a slight chance that one of you two are scum?

Honestly?

Instead of tunneling your cop-buddy to the death, why don't you take a step back and look at other options because Molla is definitely not scum and since you have day talk, you two should be able to safely talk about the things you don't want to take into the thread


Nacho, don't break my heart (unless it was andy who voted for Mnem, then I don't want you to break my heart)

I don't think he's done anything scummy thus far and there are alot more better suspects to go after

what do you think of Dia?

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and, Pv, who's to say that there aren't other groups, pro-town groups, who have day talk?

what is the motivation to have claimed such a thing? even as an encryptor, I would think that he would have claimed something far better then a networker

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I honestly don't think it's very plausible, and right now, it's distracting from catching actual scum. There are reasons beyond the cop claim and his play today for why I think he is town, and I really, really cannot see RC's reaction coming from scum

I need more responses from Dia though, but I'm fairly sure we have the team.

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Unvote
Vote: Mitillos

- Des

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Shadowy is town.

Vote: Shadowy Poison

I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this

just, don't kill me

Before I get asked why, it's for this, but I don't want to explain more.

"I think they are Soft-claiming a PR"


and yet, mollie/nero was killed over us

Molla is town

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and Luna is really, really town as well

that post was directed towards them specifically and, I don't think Nacho even came back to me after I said that. He knows that I hate being ignored and thus, probably wouldn't ignore me after voting for me. They have done alot of other stuff I think is town.


JIFFY WHAT ARE YOU THOUGHTS ON MITILLOS

[Shadowy Poison]

well Get to it

[Shadowy Poison]

though, I'm unsure if I'm willing to believe that you havn't read the game since, you are already willing to lynch Nani

[Shadowy Poison]

RC

why is molla scum?

what do you think of my reason for molla town?

[Shadowy Poison]

and why do I still not have a read on Mitillos Jiffy?

[Shadowy Poison]

hey KMD

Vote Mitillos

Don't listen to Jiffy either

they are both probably scum this game

[Shadowy Poison]

Peace - do you have any completed games on record after your return to the site?

there are games I am out of but doubt they are completed.

Chef mafia is complete.

[Shadowy Poison]

But, honestly, it shouldn't be this hard to get scum killed

The nmenomic wagon is probably a wagon on town

and the two cops are being two derpfucks, one of whom won't even look at the reason for why his neighbormate is PRETTY FREAKING TOWN

while, Dia just completely ignored my questions regarding Mitillos, as does his replacement jiffy when, it shouldn't be to hard to answer a simple question.

[Shadowy Poison]

Majiffy is probably town though because he busses as scum and he's voting me.

Fucking hell, he does

and, I think Jiffy is scum mostly based on Diaboliks posts, and the fact that it seemed like he was trying to be indifferent to Mitillos. He is an unsure factor, but both of us agree on Mitillos, Jiffy, and Dante as probable scum with Jiffy being the weakest read of the three

and, why do I think I'll succeed? IDK, though I'm not going to drop it until RC gets it through her head that molla isn't likely to be scum, and start looking for other people who are scum

[Shadowy Poison]

PV never claimed Normaliser, however mollie/nero did flip town normaliser

so yeah, there may be more normalisers in this game

[Shadowy Poison]

you guys are killing me

[Shadowy Poison]

VOTE: Majiffy

[Shadowy Poison]

VOTE: Majiffy

You're gonna have a bad time.

Thanks for the scum claim, hun.

[Shadowy Poison]

Mitillos, you are both scum. Dia kept on avoiding my questions about you, and stated a dis-intent to follow us onto you, but when I asked him why he didn't respond. I asked Jiffy the same thing, and by now, he has had loads of time to give me the answer I want, and he still doesn't give it to me. I have seen townjiffy try and work with his town-reads, not do a hot job at it, but he tries but there isn't a hint of that here

I think he's more dangerous than you though, and I like taking out the more dangerous scum first. why don't you bus him?

[Shadowy Poison]

prod dodge.

I've nothing new to add, scum-team still applies and I wouldn't mind it if either one of mitillos or jiffy got lynched

[Shadowy Poison]

Mitillos works amazingly well too

VOTE: Mitillos

RC, stop being a tunnelly shit, read my case on Mollatown, and tell me where I have gone wrong

read my case on Dia and tell me why I'm wrong there

and tell me why we are wrong about Mitillos being scum

[Shadowy Poison]

Dodge

I'll post here in a few hours

Looks like we were prodded anyway >.>

UNVOTE:

For now though, I would still love a response from Cow

[Shadowy Poison]

Someone care to explain the luna-wagon?

I might be interested in that

[Shadowy Poison]

Kmd, why such a short post when Rail tracer is obviously not getting lynched the way things are going?

Shadowy, Luna is a scumread for me because he's generally been not very town this game, the push for N to reveal the modkill publicly was weird to me. I think it was more pushy than Nacho-town (who I've experienced to be fairly laid back when it comes to how mods run their games, feel free to offer contradictory evidence though) and probably more to look town than to achieve anything for the town.

I've seen Nacho push several times, as both alignments. how does him pushing for the mod-kill make him scum? I don't understand it. I'm more concerened with the lack of righteousness in his post, and the lack of feeling that is found within his posts

[Shadowy Poison]

Dodgie dodge

I don't really have anything to add...

[Shadowy Poison]

Vote: Mitillos

I'll add that.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

You don't have enough support for a Luna lynch. If you, Deas, and Molla all moved to Mitillos to put him to L-2 then we might actually start getting somewhere.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Then Nacho can come back and put him to L-1.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Then Majiffy or (more likely) Dante will hammer him for towncred.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

And then we get a scum flip! It'll be so exciting.

- Des

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Mitillos, you are both scum. Dia kept on avoiding my questions about you, and stated a dis-intent to follow us onto you, but when I asked him why he didn't respond. I asked Jiffy the same thing, and by now, he has had loads of time to give me the answer I want, and he still doesn't give it to me. I have seen townjiffy try and work with his town-reads, not do a hot job at it, but he tries but there isn't a hint of that here

I think he's more dangerous than you though, and I like taking out the more dangerous scum first. why don't you bus him?

Wow. People who need to need Shadow's case should read D2 again.

- At post 920, SP asks a pointed question to Dia: "and speaking of him, Dia, what do you think of Militillos so far? why did you drop him from your initial list of suspicious people?"
- This reply from Dia was non-commital "yeah he is flying too low.. for sure 1/2 scum ae lurking."
- When pressed for details by Shadow again, Dia goes "who is dropped from my list?"

Dia doesn't get a chance to reply since he's replaced. Shadow again asks his replacement Maj about Mit. Maj says he doesn't read the case but votes Nani.

---

I'm slightly torn here as it is a very powerful link between the two of them but I liked SK on D1 and thought Dia was very townie on D2.

However, I'm willing to vote Mit.
- A lot of questions give me the vibe of someone who wants to look like he's active and scum hunting without doing so. A lot of posts addressed at RC\BBM, some of which asked for answers already available.
- Weak-ish reads. His D2 scummy candidate was mnem and other scum possibilities were {Nani, Pere, Peace} which is kinda weird because it's obvious that Pere and Peace were not scum together.
- When trying to spot his D3 suspicions, I noticed this - "@KMD: Why does Rail deserve your vote? Especially if you're not caught up, yet." - but he never questions Maj for doing the same on D2 when voting Nani. (Add one more link to the Maj-Mit pairing)

Unvote. Vote: Mitilos

If he flip scum, I'll reconsider voting Maj. Also, with 881, if Mit flips scum, I guess I was wrong about BBMolla.

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You don't have enough support for a Luna lynch. If you, Deas, and Molla all moved to Mitillos to put him to L-2 then we might actually start getting somewhere.

- Des

I decided that Mitillos is town base don what saw of posting, so why would I switch to someone I have decided to be town?

This is the part where you talk about why Mitillos is town.

- Des

PEdit: OK. That's a good start. What do you think about Mitillos not quoting Ooba's accusations? I'd say that's pretty carefully measured.

And the "stream of consciousness feel" isn't hard to fake when you are defending yourself, in my view. Several phrases he uses do not feel natural at all--for example, "I suffer from not-knowing-everyone's-alignment-itis" reads like overcompensation. His other responses are intentionally obfuscated. If you just ISO Mitillos and read this post you will a) have no idea what accusations he's responding to and b) probably not are enough to go back and look <---This is scum tactics.

What do you think about the fact that 1322 is virtually the only post in his entire ISO that looks this way? The rest of it is overflowing with carefully measured responses.

[Shadowy Poison]

and sp- your are clearly tunneling and carefully measured in addition...

We are tunnelling because we think we caught scum and this town is stagnating in a baaaaaaad way.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Vote: Mitillos

We are the

Nanny

, a.k.a. the Babysitter. We choose one player to protect from a kill each night, but if we are targeted for the kill, then both of us die.

N1 we were on molla
N2 we were on Luna but got blocked by someone who sent us a message asking if we are naughty or nice--if we are naughty we couldn't be friends, but if we are nice we could potentially block the NK
N3 we didn't protect anyone

Mit's role doesn't exist, let's lynch him.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

I want Dante next.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Deas died. Someone was worried that they'd get investigated. There has been only one kill each night. I assume there is only one scum faction. Any such faction cannot contain me or Molla; we were both already investigated by Deas and found to not be X, so if we were scum, the others would know that they were in no danger from his investigation.

I figured you'd say that.

Deas' death was a red herring.

And no, we received a message from the person that blocked us. It said exactly what I said it said. We didn't even come close to claiming naughty and you would have to have a really warped perception to have read it as saying that.

Your role doesn't exist because we are a protective role and not a doctor. That means there's no doctor. I think you made up your claim based on the flips that had occurred at the time, which is why you were trying so hard to sling suspicion on Molla for claiming 3 names while 1 was OK--probably because one or more of your scumbuddies only has 1 name.

- Des

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We protected Luna but were blocked. The person who blocked us sent a message. It read:

"If you are naughty we can't be friends. But if you are nice, you might get to block the NK!"

Meaning if they decide we are scum they will continue blocking us, but if they think we are nice they will allow us to use our ability. Mara and I were not on the same page as to whether this was a town or scum block--add the potential negative utility of our role and we decided not to use it last night.

Get it?

- Des

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If we can have a named townie by way of Seer I don't see why we can't have a named townie by way of Nurse.

I'm also

really

not following the bit about your n2 report Shadow.

I don't think we had two named townies, dual cops, AND a fruit vendor.

[Shadowy Poison]

N2 we were on Luna but got blocked by someone who sent us a message asking if we are naughty or nice--if we are naughty we couldn't be friends, but if we are nice we could potentially block the NK

were you nagged all night when this happened?

Yes we were.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

we forgot to

though, I'm not as convinced that our roles are unable to co-exist. the specificity of your role makes me hesitant to push you any harder today, though we will see what happens after everyone has claimed

I, for one, am getting a little weird on nacho/andy. I had thought that Mafia blocked us and I don't really think that Nacho would block me, over kill me if he is mafia. the fact that we were blocked N2 makes me even more sure of Molla town because, Why touch us N2 over N1 when he obviously caught our crumb?

[Shadowy Poison]

Shadowy is town.

Vote: Shadowy Poison

I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this

just, don't kill me

Before I get asked why, it's for this, but I don't want to explain more.

?

[Shadowy Poison]

I figured you had thought we were a PR of some sort

[Shadowy Poison]

Why the FUCK are you even thinking about that when it could be 6:5 or 6:4:1 right now?????

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Seriously peace is scum and I will never be able to unsee it now

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

nitrite

noun

Chemistry: a salt or ester of nitrous acid.

Vote Count 1.20

Luna Lovegood

( 0 )

dopog

( 10 )

Shadowy Poison

,

theloveofneroandmollie

, Luna Lovegood ,

Nani

, Rail Tracer ,

DeasVail

,

mnemonicdevice

,

PeregrineV

, PeaceBringer , RadiantCowbells

Dante

( 2 ) ooba , Diabolik

DeasVail

( 0 )

Shadowy Poison

( 0 )

Rail Tracer

( 3 )

dopog

, Metal Unites Mutley

PeaceBringer

( 0 )

theloveofneroandmollie

( 0 )

mnemonicdevice

( 2 ) Dante , Mitillos

ooba

( 0 )

PeregrineV

Katsuki

( 1 ) BBmolla

Nani

( 0 )

Metal Unites Mutley

( 0 )

Mitillos

Viera Assassin

( 0 )

RadiantCowbells

Vifam

( 0 )

Diabolik

SleepyKrew

( 0 )

BBmolla

( 0 )

Not voting:

With 17 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-09-18 22:01:56)

That's a lot of dead town on the dopog wagon. However, IIRC dopog was also a deadline lynch--good opportunity for scum to stay off a town lynch. I'm leaning towards the latter.

nappy

noun

liquor, especially ale.

Vote Count 2.11

Luna Lovegood

( 0 )

Dante

( 0 )

DeasVail

( 0 )

Shadowy Poison

( 0 )

Rail Tracer

( 0 )

PeaceBringer

( 1 )

mnemonicdevice

mnemonicdevice

( 9 ) Dante , Rail Tracer , Metal Unites Mutley , Luna Lovegood , Mitillos ,

PeregrineV

,

DeasVail

, PeaceBringer

ooba

( 0 )

PeregrineV

( 0 )

Kmd4390

Nani

( 2 ) BBmolla , Majiffy

Metal Unites Mutley

( 0 )

Mitillos

( 2 )

Shadowy Poison

,

Kmd4390

RadiantCowbells

( 0 )

Majiffy

Diabolik

( 0 )

BBmolla

( 2 ) RadiantCowbells , ooba

Not voting:

With 15 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-06 04:47:07)

Ah, here we go. This is the scum-driven ML. Dante and Mitillos both pushing their D1 vanity wagon + Peace hammering.

nada

noun

nothing; zero; none: I have absolutely no motivation—zilch, zip, nada!

Vote Count 3.10

Luna Lovegood

( 1 ) PeaceBringer

Dante

( 0 )

DeasVail

( 0 )

Shadowy Poison

( 0 )

Rail Tracer

( 1 )

Kmd4390

PeaceBringer

( 2 ) Varsoon

ooba

( 0 )

Kmd4390

( 5 ) Majiffy , Mitillos , Dante , Rail Tracer , ooba

Varsoon

Kid A

( 0 )

Mitillos

( 4 )

Shadowy Poison

, Luna Lovegood , BBmolla ,

DeasVail

RadiantCowbells

( 0 )

Majiffy

( 0 )

BBmolla

( 1 ) RadiantCowbells

Not voting:

With 13 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-22 02:25:12)

This is the kmd/mit competition at its height. Majiffy-Mit-Dante. Just look at it. Molla and Varsoon would switch for the hammer.

Majiffy-Mit-Dante-Peacebringer. If the game is still going then it's one of RT/ooba but I hope Peace slipped 4 scum by suggesting a stump + NL--no way that came from a town mindset.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

I again come to the point that 2 Cops + Normalizer seem overpowered

How is it overpowered in a closed setup where we assume mass claiming would be unbeneficial? AND there is a compulsive framer?

I don't think there are five scum fwiw, fairly certain numbers wise makes more sense for 4.

4/17 seemed like too few but with the underpowered/negative utility town it might make sense.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Networker (

daytalk enabler

) - peacebringer
Nymphomaniac Nurse (

???

) - mitillos
Naive Non-Com Neighbor (naive cop) - bbmolla
Nutty Non-Com Neighbor (paranoid cop neighbor) - RC
Nanny (the babysitter) - SP
Non-Necessary Negligent-er (conditional action delayer) - majiffy
Non-existent Narrator (tree stump) - ooba
Nauseating Numerically-blessed Nominator (hated double-voter) - varsoon
Narcoleptic Nightkiller (

???

) - luna

Nothing Notable - dante, RT

Let's see...yup this completely fits my view of the game right now. Peace is the scum enabler, Dante is the roleblocker fakeclaiming VT, Mit and Majiffy's roles are fake.

- Des


i thought we had more claimed VTs but it's apparently only dante and i.

italicised peacebringer's bracket claim because i don't remember him actually claiming it

without looking at any of them closer, i'd say there's a fairly decent chance of scum being in the players that don't have a bracket claim. maybe. i dunno how likely it is that the mod would just neglect to give them bracket claims when even the VTs got them.

[Shadowy Poison]

^Dunno what happened there, but I was just gonna comment that the full claim list totally supports my view of the game:

Peace is the scum enabler
Dante is the roleblocker fakeclaiming VT
Mit's role is fake
Majiffy's role is fake and also doesn't make any sense for SK to have claimed it as negative utility on P1.

PEdit: That's good info.

Should we do peace first so the rest of them can't daytalk anymore?

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

OK so it's 7-4. Treestump stumps, flips town, mafia kills, it's 5-4. What do you think about what Luna said about the Stump claim?

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

^Good posting by MiT.

Lemme

unvote

before I leave.

What the fuck?

He just explained how a doublevoter works.....

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Varsoon's alignment is irrelevant. My post was the way it was because I think someone suggested that being hated would mean he'd be an easy scum-lynch during LyLo, causing us to lose. I wanted to show you why this is not the case. But even if he is scum himself, that shouldn't be enough to cause worry. Because the same issues come up:

If there's an odd number of players left (n), without a double-voter it takes (n + 1)/2 people to lynch someone. With a double-voter, since there are n + 1 total votes instead, it takes (n + 3)/2 votes to lynch, instead. Even if Varsoon is on the lynch wagon, it still takes a total of (n + 1)/2 people to lynch. Additionally, it takes (n + 1)/2 people to lynch Varsoon, unless he self-votes and it takes (n + 3)/2 people to lynch anyone else, if Varsoon doesn't vote that person. There is nothing in his power that makes it easier than normal to lynch anyone, when n is odd.

He only becomes a possible liability if the number of players left is even and he's scum. In that case, he takes the number of people needed for a wagon that he is participating in from (n + 2)/2 to n/2 (and the same is true of the number of people needed to lynch him). But even then, that's not enough to give mafia an easy victory. Because, if the mafia made up half the people in the game, they would have already won.

Furthermore, I don't think he is scum, unless the mafia team is particularly small, since town seems to have only crappy roles. But, if you think he is, just make sure we keep the number of players odd for the dayphases and then his power works for us, irrespective of his alignment. And even in the case where the number of players is even, just don't rush into a vote and mafia can't pile on someone and get a victory.

tl;dr Again, the analysis for Varsoon's power works the same way as in my previous post, even if he is scum. Odd number of players = good, even number of players = potentially bad, but probably not really.

If Varsoon is scum and it's 7-4 right now, then it's really LYLO. If we mislynch today and Varsoon is scum,

scum win

.

And how about this? Lynch scum, NK town, lynch scum, NK town, lynch town, no on dies--it's 4-2 with a scum Varsoon and

scum still wins

.

How on earth is a scum Varsoon "probably not that bad" with an even number of players?

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

"Just don't rush into a vote and mafia can't pile on"

If every town followed that one rule they would never lose.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

mit's #1646 saddens me because it completely rules out the possibility that varsoon is scum. that's what irks me about varsoon, not the possibilities that include him being town.

This is probably a good thing though because Mit is town, so he's probably just trying to tell us we can stop being paranoid about Varsoon's slot.

[Shadowy Poison]

Unvote
Vote: Peacebringer

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

...

Mitillos was referencing a potential MYLO situation where scum-Varsoon still couldn't win unless the town rushed to vote someone.

I've been voting people all day and have absolutely no qualms continuing to do so.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

If Mit is a double-voter, why hasn't he been showing up as a double-voter in VCs?
If Mit is a scum double-voter, why would he claim about it?

This and more, probably never.

majify town? but lazy as all fuck!

Shrug.

Varsoon is the double voter and has been showing up in VCs the whole game (first as MUM, then Kid A, then Varsoon).

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

you're talking a lot but you're not actually doing anything in the way of finding scum, or talking about who you think is scum

and bingo was his name-o

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Like, this dude can't even give us three names on D4.

Majiffy-Mitillos-Dante-Peacebringer. Peace dies first so they can't talk to each other anymore. You other three can start bussing him whenever.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Also, I was wondering, why were you not certain if the N2 thing was town or not? I believe you said that its wording was along the lines of "if you are naughty we can't be friends but if you are nice you get to potentially block the kill". But that seems pretty clearly town to me. It reads like a roleblock that only works on scum, but allows town to go through just fine. Also, you never answered my question: Do you know who did this to you?

...

No. And I don't think we would have been told that we were nagged all night if our protection had actually worked, do you?

And considering no one claimed to be the roleblocker, why were you wondering why we were uncertain?

The message is a red herring. It might not even be related to the block.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

i think it is related to the block. i think PV was targeted N1 (i remember him specifically talking about being N-blocked - i'm guessing this meant nagged).

only thing i don't get is how the message you got related to your role, whereas the message i got was just along the lines of needing to know i'm not naughty and using the word nice in my first post.

obviously it was a troll message but it's weird that you got one relating to your role.

Not sure. But it isn't non-consecutive because Peregrine had it N1 and we had it N2, which leaves N3 unaccounted for.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Claims a protect and block role. Claims was blocked and no other evidence of a blocker.

No we didn't, and yes there is.

PB is town. His behavior has been of trying to sort out who is bad. Not trying to “look town.”

(Nymphomaniac Nurse is an) Odd claim for scum not in terms of the actual claim, but how he went about it. It would be non-standard for someone to claim protecting self around here with a protection role. Not trying to “look town”

(Majiffy's) Slot has been town. People who know the original slot holder indicated town.

Read through his ISO indicates play that is very much in line with

It's so fucking beautiful. Wow.

Desparado and company have been sitting silent, making comments on occasion. Now more active at Near LyLo. As town from what I have seen more engaged, throws out more reads and theories. Here passive.

"On occasion??" There are 5 people with 100+ posts and we are one of them. With that said, of fucking course we are more active now near LYLO--with our role outed we have no reason to hold anything back.

And if SP is really town and say RC or Mill is really scum, then they are a fool. Despardo is no fool imo.

Why would I be a fool again?

Hope you get a scummie nom outta this.

*twitch*

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

hey desp

why don't you think nacho is scum?

I need one of my scum reads to flip town before I start going after the rest of the game.

Do you really think peace's team is interested in keeping him around at this point? They've probably already gameplanned for his lynch and they just told him to make a list without making any waves, and no one is going to take that rambling BS seriously, so no harm/no foul.

Peace: Oh ok. Cool.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Also their claim would be pretty impressive if they had made it up, don't you think?

[Shadowy Poison]

They would dink around with a bus because everyone who is actually town wants to lynch you right now and we are forcing their hand.

Notice how Mit wasn't going after you until the winds started to change?

I bet once Majiffy stops playing dumb he'll vote you also.

Also, do we even have any completed games together? What do scum and town Des look like and how are you differentiating here?

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

I looked at Rail's VCs.

@Peace: When you moved off me on D3, why did you switch to Luna? The deadline wasn't far off and there wasn't really anyone much interested in voting Luna. So, what exactly was the purpose of your vote?

@Rail: OK, I see your point. But then, our Necromancer didn't have negative utility (I doubt there are werewolves, making him zero utility at worst). Neromollie was very much positive utility, too. So, I'm not even sure that scum would actually need to claim negative utility. But, that's beside the point. The nullness of the slot is much more important.
As for who is scum... I don't know. I guess the scummiest are:
1) At least one of BB/RC. RC's unjustified push on BB pretty much since he replaced in is very anti-town. On the other hand, BB's interactions with some players (e.g. SK) have been rather iffy. I don't think both of them are scum, though.
2) I'm starting to come around on PeaceBringer. I didn't like his response in the post above. In general, his voting behaviour seems like he's playing it safe the whole time.
@Peace: The Luna wagon was very much not viable given the deadline. It looks like you knew that, since people would get off me, because of my claim, they'd be likely to go for the second largest wagon and wanted to keep away from it.
3 & 4) I have no idea. Most of my reads have all been moving increasingly towards the null area. Towny people have been acting slightly scummy and vice-versa. I need to ISO the Varsoon and Luna slots again, for now.

@Rail: Because I don't know for certain there's scum in that pair. Strictly speaking, I don't know there is town is there, either. It's possible both are scum. It's possible both are town. I suspect that one of them is scum, but this is partly because of the fact we have yet to find anyone. Also, the reasons I laid out when I said I consider them somewhat scummy.

@Shadow: No one claimed it, but your own claim came somewhat early, so it was still possible someone would.

Having reread a bit, I think... that I partially agree with Shadow's choices for scum. Specifically, Peace and Dante. I'm starting to think Luna may be third. Finally, one of RC/BB, not yet sure which.

I don't think Majiffy's claim is a lie. It would be too risky. What if, say, Luna claimed cop who investigated Majiffy at some point? Then, they'd know that, since their result didn't come a day later, Majiffy is lying.

I doubt there are 5 scum, so that may well be the entire team. I need to read some more. Tentatively, think of my vote as being on Peace. It probably will be there, at some point tomorrow. (Watch him turn out to be the origin of the block/message.)

And yes, Majiffy isn't going after you right now because he's too busy pretending not to know what's going on. That'll change soon.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

um, there is no waiting for "scum read to flip" at this point.

Why not?

we aren't anywhere near mylo/lylo.

[Shadowy Poison]

Now more active at Near LyLo.

actually

I am interested in this

why do you think it's lylo?

there is no indication of this, and even if it was 15:5, we would be at 9:5 tomorrow at worst which isn't anywhere near lylo

[Shadowy Poison]

I AM ALIVE

AND READING

[Shadowy Poison]

Oh

Forgot about that

Yes. That did happen.

And I know it looks bad that I didn't remember that, but for the past few days you've just been super town. I haven't even thought about it.

MOLLA I LOVE YOU

@Shadow: So you were told who was attempting to block you, or are you saying it was Luna, due to PoE?

we weren't told, and I never said it was Luna? I specifically remember saying Luna might have blocked us, but I find it rather unlikely for Nacho to block us over kill us, and when he has told me that I never trust him late game as town? why would he keep me here?

In fact, admitting to making a kill WHEN THERE HAS ONLY BEEN ONE?

they are probably town.

One kill also means that there is another protection role as we were blocked N2, and since Mitillos is the only other one who has claimed as such it's probably best to leave him be even though I really, really don't want to believe him to be town.

but, that is under the assumption that there are no lying town (but there might be because two different type of blocks and no one has claimed a blocking role?)

there has to be a reason for scum to be keeping us alive at this point.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dante

Scum don't type like Mitilos is typing.
Dante wagon is better for me right now.

Explain please?

gods, Tracers 1v1 with PB looks horrid


and no, I'm not retarded, just not thinking/paying attention >.>

I don't think there are 5 scum, so no lylo/mylo

[Shadowy Poison]

So I get to vote a scumread AND get off a wagon with two of my other scumreads on it? No brainer.

Unvote
Vote: Dante

^That's L-2. Dante's lying about his role, probably the nagger.

We'll be protecting Majiffy tonight.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Excellent discussion going on.

VOTE: Peace

L-3 for anyone who wants to keep count at home.

Is there a Dante case? Is there a PeaceBringer case?

Is there a reason not a single fucking person will answer these questions?

lol

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Actually, that's pretty fucking brilliant. If Shadow is right about Majiffy and Majiffy is lying, mafia can't kill Shadow, because then they'll also kill their own guy. And if Majiffy is telling the truth, they still can't use Shadow's ability against the town, by killing two people in one go, since Majiffy's role will mean that Shadow's role will get delayed.

Bingo

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

For all you voting me. When I flip please lynch Varsoon.

That is all.

Why?

Unvote

Didn't see Peace's vote and we aren't done here.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

hey

we asked you once why varsoon already

why varsoon?

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

^Why did you edit that VC? Dante had 2 on him.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

VOTE: Ooba

What this guy says. Could move back to Varsoon to consolidate.

Vote Ooba

HEY

ASSHOLE

WHY SHOULD WE LYNCH VARSOON ONCE YOU ARE DEAD?

- DES

[Shadowy Poison]

Someone else can worry about unvoting, I'm done here.

Unvote
Vote: Dante

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

why the fuck are you asking permission to hammer

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

...

We massed. Weren't you there? He claimed Nothing Notable.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Vote: Mitillos

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Mit-Jiffy-???

It's still probably peace.

[Shadowy Poison]

WE ARE ALIVE

YESSSS

WHY IS MITILLOS NOT GETTING WAGONED

WHY IS LUNA GETTING A WAGON

[Shadowy Poison]

ALSO

IF MOLLA CAUGHT A CRUMB THAT WASN'T DIRECTED AT HIM

THEN THE ONE WHO IT WAS DIRECTED AT, PROBABLY CAUGHT IT AS WELL

MOLLA AND LUNA ARE SO CON-FUCKING-FIRMED TOWN IT ISN'T EVEN FUNNY

[Shadowy Poison]

VOTE: Mit

why is SP alive?

Cuz Jiffy is scum, duh

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

What changed was that most of my previous scumreads had been shown to be wrong (e.g. mnem),

so I did a re-read.

And, obviously, there were other cases against Dante, which also helped convinced me.
But I think the biggest thing was the whole "vote Varsoon" without explanation thing, which Shadow asked about, something like a half-dozen times and never got a response. That was pretty anti-town.

Bullshit, you were sheeping us. You even said so right before the quote Nacho pulled.

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

Just checked Calvin and Hobbes and found two bullshits. Didn't feel like going on.

Is that fucking serious?

- Des

[Shadowy Poison]

He's used the word Bullshit quite a bit with is 1v1 with me in nuzlocke mafia

[Shadowy Poison]

Why is it when, I'm in hydra, people feel compelled to make cases against my buddy and not take me into the equation?