Mini 410 - McDonald's Mafia [Game Over!]

[Glork]

1. But your opinion is inherently biased.
2. Dammit.

Unvote

[Pink Princess]

1. But only biased based on fact.
2.

[spectrumvoid]

Vote Count

DeanWinchester: 1 (Amb)
Pink Princess: 1 (Frozen Atlantic)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Hey I have sort of limited internet access, but I have it, so

vote: Frozen Atlantic

I'd be willing to lynch PP but my gut goes with Frozen.

[pete d]

I'll put a

vote: Zarvok

for now, he defended DoS yesterday and tried to keep pressure on me (as did DoS); also threw some Fos's around. Weirdly, they both voted each other at the start of Day 1.

[DeanWinchester]

First off, I appologize to Pink Princess, Power Princess is a charecter in a comic book I read. (but if you like it, go for it)

Frozen atlantic why is PP the right play. I don't like the reasoning that you are more inteligent than the rest of us, so we should just follow you. If you are trying to say somthing just say it. I'm a blunt person and I don't like it when poeple openly hint, but don't just come out and say what they mean.

Ditto for SC's half claim.

[StallingChamp]

Ditto for SC's half claim.

Since I alreadt responded to Glork, I'll assume you are ok with what I decided to do (drop the idea of fully claiming)?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Glork, can you explain why you claimed? I've been wondering about this for a while and I don't quite understand why you would single yourself out like this.

[Glork]

I already said this, but here goes again:

I find it reasonable to believe that I was targeted for a nightkill last night, and I do not want to be nightkilled in the future. If I am killed (via nightkill or lynch), I lose, regardless of what else happens in the game. If I survive, I win -- again, regardless of what else happens in the game. My win condition is not mutually exclusive with that of the town or the scum, so if my claim is believed (which it will be believed by the scums, and it should be believed by the town), then I put myself in a position to win right here and now.

[DeanWinchester]

Glork simple question. Did you live through it because of a one-shot night imunity?

[Glork]

Not to my knowledge. As far as I know, I have no abilities or perks whatsoever.

[StallingChamp]

if my claim is believed (which it will be believed by the scums, and it should be believed by the town), then I put myself in a position to win right here and now.

As (almost?) everybody in this game knows, you are one of (if not the) best scum hunter on this site *points to Scummy award*. Since, in my opinion, the doc should protect Pro-town players, if possible, thus ruling out you, why do you expect that the Scum won't kill you?

[Glork]

I've already explained this, too. I don't *have* to lead the charge in scumhunting, and now that I've already found one scum, I don't plan on playing a huge part in scumhunting. If I think I'm becoming a big enough threat that the scums might try to kill me, I'll just tone things down for a game-day or two (like right now). I don't

have

to actively hunt scum. I've proven my worth to the town, and they have absolutely no reason to lynch me. Since I am not a threat to the town and my survival does not hurt the town's chances, lynching me is effectively a mislynch.

All I have to do is show the scums that they have no reason to nightkill me, which is

exactly

why I'm telling them, "If you don't kill me, I won't try to screw you over in the future."

It's the best I can do given the circumstances, since I cannot stop the scums from trying to nightkill me. I basically have to trust them tonight, and if they hold up their end of the bargain (by letting me live this coming night), I'll hold up my end and not actively hunt like I was on D1.

Both parties should just act as though I'm not even in the game right now. Pretend that there are 10 players alive, most likely 2 Mafiates left, and just pretend that I do not exist. It makes the most sense for everybody -- the town doesn't have to worry about me actively helping the scums, and the scums don't have to worry about me actively helping the town. I don't know how else to play the role; every other time I've seen a Survivor in a game, they've claimed early and everyone pretty much went "okay, we can ignore you and let you win."

I'm not sure why you guys are drilling me on this. Nobody seems to doubt that I'm a Survivor. Questioning me and my tactics does not help you find scum. If you actually think I have evil, ulterior motives, state that and explain why. Otherwise, I think that you have

scumbags

to go find... not Survivors to pester and annoy.

[StallingChamp]

I wasn't drilling you, just curious.

[Frozen Atlantic]

Yes, we have scumbags. Besides PP and the guy we lynched before, who looks like the third scumz?

[DeanWinchester]

I do believe you glork, but I wanted to know if you being "saved" was be you or somone else. I have to say your last post has desperate all over it. Which makes sense, but still it dosn't make you look very becoming.

Yes, we have scumbags. Besides PP and the guy we lynched before, who looks like the third scumz?

Why havn't you ansewered my question? Why is PP scum? The guy before was DoS, and as looking into third scum you are on the top of my list ATM.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

To Glork: I'm just curious why we would keep you alive if you're not going to help the town, is all... but I understand

your

reasoning. It's probably the safest play.

That being said, if the lynches start smelling funny I'll be the first to doubt your claim. Bussing a scumbuddy, claiming survivor, and then not participating is like the holy grail of scum play... combine that with a totally convincing flavor and you can win easily.

The fact that the flavor is so convincing and that no-one has counterclaimed you for that role name is what convinces me.

Anyway, you are right. This is counterproductive. Frozen Atlantic should die. Now.

[Glork]

Because you have no reason to use up a day lynching me. You have ACTIVE, LETHAL threats to go after, not Neutral players. Why would you use a day lynching me? Is that the thanks you plan on giving me for D1?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Because you have no reason to use up a day lynching me. You have ACTIVE, LETHAL threats to go after, not Neutral players. Why would you use a day lynching me? Is that the thanks you plan on giving me for D1?

I know your reading comprehension is better than that. I agree that it's a waste of time to lynch you if you claim is true, and that is

precisely

what plants a small germ of doubt in my mind. I'm willing to lynch other players because I do think we have better options at the moment. But don't think that you're completely off the hook in my reckoning.

You may now not participate. Go play some Guitar Hero or something.

[DeanWinchester]

Can I go play guitar hero two too? This game is fun, but guitar hero is awesome.

Why do you want to lynch frozen atlantic, tcs?

[Glork]

I agree that it's a waste of time to lynch you if you claim is true, and that is

precisely

what plants a small germ of doubt in my mind.

How does "Lynching SurvivorGlork waste the town's time" make you doubt that I'm a Survivor at all?

Lynching a claimed, undisupted Doctor (Amb) would be a complete waste of the town's time. Does that make his claim less likely to be true? No. It does not.

I understand what you're trying to say, TCS. What I don't understand is

how

you're arriving at your conclusion (that I'm not "off the hook"). Your logic makes no sense to me.

[StallingChamp]

The following message does not reflect the views of this poster, the author of this message is merely trying to clarify a previous post.

[quote=TCS meant to say]Yes, you are a bad lynch if you are a Survivor, but a scum might use that logic to save himself from being lynched, so I have small doubts about you.[/quote]

TCS, correct me if I'm wrong.

[StallingChamp]

Damn, message should read as seen below:

The following message does not reflect the views of this poster, the author of this message is merely trying to clarify a previous post.

Yes, you are a bad lynch if you are a Survivor, but a scum might use that logic to save himself from being lynched, so I have small doubts about you.

TCS, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Glork]

So what he's saying is that I planned on hint-dropping from the start of D1, bused a scumbuddy, and claimed just so that I won't get myself lynched in the near future.

Yeah. That's really freaking productive. Great logic there.

[DeanWinchester]

One small problem with your plan Glork.

You can't shut up to save your life.