Kingmaker II-Game Over

[Toaster Strudel]

Oh, I meant Royal Highness of course.

Is it just me, or is it hard to get a read on people in this game?

[Yosarian2]

Well, that's kind of a surprise.

Anyway, the game has been going really slowly lately, perhaps because people have felt that they're not being listened to, so I'm going to institute the following policy as King: Anyone with 7 votes with be automatically put on my LOE.

[Yosarian2]

Hey all.

In order to encourage participation, people attacking each other, and to encourage people to put their votes where they actually want them rather then no one caring about votes, I'm going to institute the following policy; anyone with 7 or more votes will be automatically added to my list of execution. Other people might be added by me, of course.

[Zindaras]

Where can I buy Glork-in-a-can?

Glork coming up as town wasn't completely unexpected, luckily.

[pablito]

vote: RafK, ThAdmiral

need more info on them. Pressure votes.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Smashy needs to be executed, see my previous reasoning.

[Yosarian2]

Smashy needs to be executed, see my previous reasoning.

Why don't you repeat it for me, MOS.

[Fritzler]

A) thank god smashy finally made a choice, he was almost as bad as Dead R.

B) yos, be a good king and kill a bitch

thx

[Mastermind of Sin]

And now for the fun to begin. I'm going to post an analysis of each player, and I'll hopefully get through a third of the game today. If anything, my summary of their actions should give you some good reference to work with. I would suggest directing replacements to these posts in the future.

CrashTestDummie:
Day 1 -
- Votes Glork for wanting the King dead Day 1
- Votes Pablito for defending Glork
- Votes bird1111 for "joke voting" Glork and Pablito, then unvoting them later
- Has townie vibes from Glork but is more suspicious of Pablito for not getting on Bird's case enough
Day 2 -
- Confused by pablito's play, unvotes
- wants pressure on ubertimmy, doesn't state reasons
- votes PJ for lynching Rosso on short notice
- votes StallingChamp for a post lost during the crash
- votes Twomz for bandwagon hopping and asking putting Burden of Proof on the victim instead of the attacker
- votes ubertimmy again for lurking
- attacks pablito for giving pj blanket immunity for his actions Day 1
- Agrees with MBL's stance on PJ and Pablito
- Sees no reason to execute Yos or MBL, claims confusion over Pooky and Pablito, and needs to reread Mert. Only StallingChamp should remain on the LoE
- Suspicious of LL's "too many townies" in his initial analysis
- Makes solid (imo) defense against Zindaras's attack on him (thrice)
- Finishes reread of Mert and agrees that he should be on the LoE
- Questions PJ's stance on Mert based on previous games he's player with him
- Doesn't want Yos or Pooky to be executed, prefers StallingChamp and Twomz
- Asserts that he doesn't quite think Yos and Pooky are scum, but that there isn't a case against Yos and that Pooky has been giving off protown vibes
Day 3 -
- No Posts Yet

Result: I am fairly impressed by CrashTextDummie so far. I largely feel protown vibes from him, and the only thing that seems a little off-color was his insistence that Pooky was protown, even given the fact that Pooky largely did nothing besides his one big analysis. Perhaps my timeline is off, however. I would not want to see a CTD execution anytime soon.

Dead Rikimaru:
Day 1 -
- Considers distancing tactic between pablito and Glork
- Claims that he didn't promote a pablito/Glork pairing, just that pablito is trying hard to be paired with pablito, can't think of a protown reason for it
Day 2 -
- votes pablito, no additional reasoning
- No post from Oct 27 until Dec 12, nothing of substance or length until Dec 18
- Doesn't find Yos scummy (good post)
- Claims to be unable to read Pooky, prefers him over Yos
- Amused that the LoE only contains those who have criticized Glork
Day 3 -
- Ask for top 3 suspects from each player
- Doesn't believe in randomly executing lurkers
- Calls for prods on lurkers
- Asks why Glork would bus a scumbuddy early in the game (My answer: Because he knows someone like you would ask yourself this question. Glork has admitted to being willing to bus any and all partners if he thinks it will get him a free pass through the game)
- States there are too many lurkers
- Asks me if my position on Phoebus is the same (I'll get to him eventually)

Result: I'm fairly unimpressed with Dead Rikimaru's play so far. I believe he has contradicted himself Day 1, been generally unhelpful and non-committal Day 2, and has barely offered any of his own insight into the game. His Day 3 actions have been far better than the first two days, but that is to be expected from the pressure of being King. Even so, asking for suspects and collecting reasoning is a good way to pick people to go after without having to dig up your own reasoning (he can use a conglomeration of other person's reasoning to get a protown player lynched), and being concerned with lurkers is something that scum often do to try and look helpful and protown. Everyone is concerned with lurkers, but scum tend to overdo it a bit. I could definitely see Dead Rikimaru as scum right now.

Der Hammer:
Result: Der Hammer has 5 posts, all of which are him saying that he was gonna or is going to post his thoughts soon, but he keeps getting delayed. His most recent post said he would post his thoughts 3 days ago. I could see him as lurking scum, and definitely not useful at the very least. He needs to post substance soon.

Fritzler:
Day 1 -
- Asks pj to kill CTD
- Likes Mert
- Vouches for Pooky
- Wants CTD dead
- Agrees with Glork's CTD vote
- Asks why CTD isn't dead yet
- Votes CTD
- Agrees with Twomz's post that Fritzler is one of the funnier players in the game
- Says that SV confused pj with pooky about keyboard problems
- Asks if we can kill CTD now
- Says "duh" that he's protown, claims everything he says has intrinsic merit, says "duh" that he found something with CTD, fixes Glork's D1 suspicion list to only include CTD
- wants us to check out his sig
- Wants to know why CTD isn't on any of pj's lists for execution possibility
- Calls pj CTD's scumbuddy
Day 2 -
- Wants glork to reread CTD's posts quickly
- Says MBL being scum in the last mountainous game bodes ill for him this game
- Claims to be Pooky's scumbuddy
- Basically calls StallingChamp a hypocrit, for voting Pooky/Fritz/MoS for lack of content
- Calls StallingChamp a rookie that shouldn't speak
- Pointless response to co-mod post
- Asks Glork to kill either CTD or himself (Fritzler)
Day 3 -
- Asks why he isn't king, votes Nightson
- Claims that Yosarian, Spectrumvoid, Kscope are his top 3 suspects
- Says that Nightson shouldn't bother rereading because he's going to die
- Says he'd execute Glork if he was king
- Another pointless response to Mod

Result: What happened to CTD? Fritzler never gave a good reason to suspect him in the first place (And i think CTD has been fairly protown), but after Day 1 he only mentions him once, and by Day 3 he has whole new suspicions out of nowhere. This has parallels to my play this game, with the exception that I don't believe I have clamored for someone's death so adamantly, only to drop them out of existence. Also, for being so similar to my play this game, I don't think he's come under that much fire from other players beyond the occasional vote, whereas I have been attacked by the majority of the players in this game, nearly. I could see him as scum, or perhaps just lazy. Wouldn't mind seeing him hang.

Glork's is gonna take a while, and I have class soon, so it'll have to wait until later.

I skipped Glork, pablito, PJ, Yosarian2, and Zindaras, since they have a crapload of posts. Here's everyone else.

KaleiDoscope (Replacing Bird):

Day 2 -
- Suspicious of CDB and PJ, notes Pab/Glork connection and MoS trusting people early
- Suspicious of Pablito, CDB, and Pooky (and votes them), also somewhat suspicious of Fritz, Phoebus, and PJ (Gives reasoning)
- Undecided about LuckayLuck, thinks Glork's play is a little off, thinks MBL is town, also thinks Zindaras is town
- Unvotes CDB when Lowell replaces him
Day 3 -
- Votes Pablito
- Not convinced that MoS is scum yet, interested in MoS's replies
- Suspicious of Yos
- Not happy about MoS bandwagon
- Top 3: Pablito, Der Hammer, Phoebus

Result: I'm not seeing Kscope as particularly town or scum right now (OMG he placed him in his neutral category, scumbuddies LOLOLOL!). He has come a long way from Bird's behavior, but I would like to know what he thinks of Fritzler and PJ still. He named them on his suspicions list yesterday but hasn't touched them since, contenting with ONLY a Pablito vote until asked to give 3 suspects.

Lowell (Replacing CDB):

Day 2 -
- Declares Zindaras as most protown player so far, also MBL is high up there. Lists CTD as well. Phoebus and MoS considered protown, insinuates that MoS has attempted to become King. No opinion of Nightson or Pooky, neutral towards SV, neutralish towards PJ. Votes Yos, Pablito, and LuckayLuck with reasoning.
- Comes up with a plan to have the Kingmaker out themselves every day and act as proxy to the King, guaranteeing a protown executioner.
- Comes up with a plan to have everyone make a List of Good Kings for the Kingmaker to get ideas from.
- Wants to know how Glork narrowed his list to Yos and Pooky. Declares Kscope protown.
Day 3 -
- Confused as to choice of new King
- Asks King to help pressure the lurkers
- Thinks Glork is town (with reasoning)
- Votes SV and MoS, SV for freudian slip and MoS for recent efforts not seeming protownish. Thinks Rafk is town
- Votes CTD

Result: I'm getting a protown feel from Lowell. He's getting involved and presenting his own arguments for his suspicions. He also came up with two good plans that I didn't see before and apparently didn't get a lot of discussion. I see no reason why we shouldn't use the plans Lowell came up with. We need to implement them now, especially after we got a scummy person as king (Dead Rik). The Kingmaker could use input and reasoning as to who would make a good king.

Mert:

Day 1 -
- Votes CDB
- Speculates about good strategy for forming an LoE
- Votes MoS and Bird for their voting patterns
- Disagrees that parallels between CDB and RA from KM 1 point to CDB being town
- Votes Phoebus for not being helpful, unvotes MoS for being more vocal
- Wonders why pablito is acting so strange intentionally
Day 2 -
- Votes Twomz and Pooky for the nutkicking theory (supporting it)
- Asks for replacement

Results: Generally protownish feeling, nothing strong. He needs to be replaced.

Nightfall (Replacing UberTimmy):

Day 2 -
- 1 post, Dec. 16th.

Results: He needs to be replaced.

Nightson:

Day 1 -
- Votes pablito and phoebus, thinks cdb is town
- Defends reasoning for his votes
Day 2 -
- Votes Twomz for stuff lost in crash
- Thinks MBL, Glork, and PJ are town, not sure about Pablito
- Unvotes, has a problem with a Yos execution
- Votes pablito and MBL (for logical fallacies)
- Will reread (Dec 5)
- Will reread (Jan 3)
- Will reread (Jan 10)

Result: Needs to be replaced.

Olio:

Day 2 -
- Votes pablito, LuckayLuck, and Nightson
- Asks pablito why he voted him
Day 3 -
- Top 3 suspects: pablito, LuckayLuck, Nightson; SV and MoS are contenders for T3
- Votes MoS for changing his mind without explanations
- Thinks townies need to know why someone was lynched, not just who should be lynched.

Results: I'm neutral to Olio. He's done more than this, I just wrote what stood out to me. He hasn't done anything scummy.

Phoebus:

Day 1 -
- Votes MBL, CDB, and pablito
- Votes mert
- Gives reason for votes as joining bandwagons after reading
Day 2 -
- Doesn't like bird's opening post, votes Bird
- Votes pablito and Yosarian, gut reasoning
- Said he would be more active Day 3

Results: I believe he asked for replacement, but I feel that he was being genuine in his posts. I will have to see how his replacement does.

Samus:

Day 2 -
- Single post (Dec 16)

Results: He needs to be replaced, NOW

I would also support a Fritzler execution.

[RafK]

All hail our glorious ruler! And let his magnificent light illuminate the darkest desires!

Your exultation in this turn of events is noted. As is Toaster Strudel's, but I already had you (CES) on the list anyway whereas I have no real read on Toaster or any of his predecessors.

Anyway, our ruler is trying the standard mafia look-how-reasonable-I-am tactic, in this case by letting the populace decided some spots on the LOE. I suggest hoisting him by his own petard.

vote Yosarian2, spectrumvoid and CES

[RafK]

vote: RafK, ThAdmiral

need more info on them. Pressure votes.

Pressure to do what, exactly?

[pablito]

Let's go with....run amok. I pressure you to run amok. Let's see what damage you're capable of.

[pablito]

Good start, RafK. Let's also

vote: Kaleidoscope

for some pressure as well.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I was already on my way...

Vote: Smashy

[ThAdmiral]

I'd like to say a big thumbs up to mastermind of sin for making the readthrough a bit easier!

@ pablito: do you want me to claim or something?

[pablito]

ThAdmiral, that'd be great.

[pablito]

As long as you claim scum. Anything else, then don't claim.

[Mastermind of Sin]

LoL.

[Fritzler]

Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum (rep. Samus / Twomz)
Der Hammer (rep. Vaughn)
DragonsofSummer (rep. Phoebus)
KaleiÐoscøpe (rep. bird1111)
Lowell (rep. cardb0ardb0x)
Mastermind of Sin
Mnowax (rep. CrashTextDummie)
pablito
petroleumjelly
RafK (rep. Mert)
Shanba (rep. Nightfall / UberTimmy)
Smashy (replacing Dead Rikimaru)
spectrumvoid
ThAdmiral (replacing Olio/StallingChamp/ChannelDelibird)
Toaster Strudel (rep. Nightson / Vikingfan)
Yosarian2
Zindaras (rep. Pariah / Machiavellian-Mafia)

[Mastermind of Sin]

You forgot one.

[pablito]

vote: Der Hammer, Smashy

Smashy should explain more in depth why he chose LL.

Der Hammer needs to post.

ThAdmiral. Actually, I'd really like to hear your claim, all silliness aside. There are many people who wouldn't want you to claim though. But for me, no one that has ever occupied your role has made me feel nice and snuggly and comfortable. It's quite possible that the replacements have all just coincidentally been scummy to me. So I have an interest in hearing your claim, but many people won't want you to claim. But do as you want.

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, our ruler is trying the standard mafia look-how-reasonable-I-am tactic, in this case by letting the populace decided some spots on the LOE. I suggest hoisting him by his own petard.

vote Yosarian2, spectrumvoid and CES

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Heh...are you trying to suggest that being reasonable is supposed to be a scum tell?

But yeah, it applies to everyone, and if I get 7 votes on me sure I'll put myself on the LOE. hint, though: I won't execute myself, so it probably won't accomplish much.

It's be more useful to hear you explain why you're suspicious of SV and CES.

[Yosarian2]

B) yos, be a good king and kill a bitch

(shrug) You want me to kill someone, then get to work convincing me that someone is scum. I'm not going to just haul off and kill someone, we need discussion and such. You voting for everyone dosn't exactally help either. Who do you think is scum, Fritzer? If you were king, who would you kill, and why? (Ok, probably "have already killed" would be more accurate, but either way.)

[mnowax]

Vote: Smashy ( i thought Dead was scum, sorry) MoS ( i dunno gut i guess ) and Toaster Strudel (i like pop tarts biatch!)

[Thok]

Let me know if there are any kingly requests or prods that are desired.

Vote Count

King Yosarian2 (2):

Cogito Ergo Sum (2):
Der Hammer (2):
DragonsofSummer (1):
Fritzler (0): Everybody but Fritzler
KaleiÐoscøpe (2): Smashy
Lowell (1):
Mastermind of Sin (2):
Mnowax (1): Smashy, MOS, Toaster Strudel
pablito (1): Rafk, ThAdmiral, KaleiÐoscøpe, Der Hammer, Smashy
petroleumjelly (1):
RafK (2): Yosarian2, Spectrumvoid, CES
Shanba (1):
Smashy (4):
spectrumvoid (2):
ThAdmiral (2):
Toaster Strudel (2):
Zindaras (1):