actually, i think you may have a point with RR. He isnt a pro, but hes not completely stupid either. its true that claiming cop at that stage was VERY risky, and yet to an extent there is a logic behind it. Currently RR claims that he couldnt use his abilities last night. Whilst you say that he wont 'make it to endgame', i think there is a good chance that he will. If the doc believes that RR is protown, he will probably protect him. And even if the doc doesnt protect him, if RR is protown, the Mafia are bound to think this is a possibility, and avoid him. Meanwhile there is a possibility that RR is infact scum. In this scenario, he is being allowed to continue participating with his scumbuddies until enough momentum can be gathered to lynch him. Of course, this isnt a big problem in itself, as there is probably a few scum left. However, when we get nearer to victory, RR will probably still be there. The problem with a cop claim is that no-one can investigate him, unless there is a counter claim. The lack of counter claim in a game that almost certainly has a cop is a big point in RRs favour, but im still not sure about him.
Sefer wrote:So I'm pretty much caught up, though I did a lot of skimming pre-page 25. Sorry it took a while, but I think you'll agree there's a lot to sift through in this game.
I strongly suspect RR to be town; I can't see any reason for scum to claim cop at that point- as has been pointed out, he won't make it to endgame one way or another with that claim. It's a bad town play, too, but I can see the thought process a newbie would go through that leads to deciding to claim, thinking it gives his suspicions more weight; I can't figure out a thought process that would lead scum to do so. All of RR's play seems indicative of a newbie convinced he has more ability than he actually does; maybe it's easier for me to see this because I remember doing the same thing (being absolutely convinced that I had found scum when I didn't really have much to back it up) not so many months ago.
The case against Kison seems fairly solid. His claim of being Monopoly is almost certainly true- it's too popular a board game for scum to be sure it would be safe (unless it were granted as a safe claim); however, until we have some idea of a theme behind scum in this game, it's not any more likely to be a scum claim than a town claim. He seems more likely scum than anyone else right now, so I'm leaving my vote on him.
Fritz is Fritz. His claim not to have a win condition yet could just be a creative way to avoid having to put any effort into the first two days (always a tempting prospect), but I don't think we can draw conclusions either way until we see how he acts tomorrow.
I'm curious as to what makes IH and BattleMage so certain that RR's claim is false. BattleMage also stated that he felt the Kison wagon was opportunistic without stating WHY it was opportunistic (rather than a decent lynch). IH's play has seemed off to me; his points don't seem as well thought out as they were in the only other game I've been in with him. I'm leaning towards scum on these two but don't have anything solid as of yet.
Twito I'm uncertain of. His style of play as town tends to look scummy to me. I actually think he's more likely to be town at this point, but that could easily change.
HackerHuck gives me good vibes. I think he's town at the moment.
I also think Ecto's town; this is based on what I feel was a well thought out case against Kison. If Kison does end up being scum, I'll feel fairly certain Ecto is town; if not I won't be so sure.
I'm leaning towards town on Zindaras, but nothing certain.
CES is someone I'm having a hard time getting a read on, probably because I don't remember his playstyle from other games I've read at the moment. He's done a lot of pushing the Kison wagon, repeatedly telling us to lynch without really giving his reasons for it. While I agree with the Kison wagon, the way he's going about pushing it bothers me. Zindaras, you were saying you think CES is scum because he wasn't pushing wagons like he usually does; is the way he's been acting more recently his normal playstyle?
Others really didn't stand out enough for me to form an opinion yet.
