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Post Post #3850 (ISO) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:37 am

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In post 3848, xRECKONERx wrote:Hmm. I'd like to play a fun deck... don't know much about pauper, though. I want a deck that is very synergistic, IE, isn't just "playing best value things in the best slots and then winning".
Value things don't exist in pauper. This is not the land of thragtusk, heh. However, I think that description probably rules out delver.

nivixclops aims to drop a kiln fiend or a nivix cyclops and attack for 10 doublestriking damage the next turn. Cards like apostle's blessing serve as both evasion and protection.

tortex decks work on the synergy between dredge creatures, the enchantment tortured existence, grave scrabbler (a madness card) and sacrifice outlets. It's a very difficult deck to play to potential - certainly the hardest I've played.

Stompy is a relatively interesting mono-green beatdown deck. It has a highish skill floor - its hard to really suck with it - but a ton of play in using the pump to maximum effect.

B/w edge of divinity plays b/w creatures and edge of divinity. Pretty simple

g/w auras - you've heard of gladecover scout and slippery bogle - well, they have a home in pauper too.

jace's erasure/turbofog - play fogs every turn, play card draw spells, play jace's erasure is the basic plan. Tends to fold to control decks.

Presence of Gond combo - midnight guard+presence of gond is infinite tokens. The rest of the deck is dig, protection, acceleration or redundancy.

Slivers - muscle, predatory and sinew slivers are the backbone of an aggro deck that makes very big fellas to beat down. Often a bit soft to spot removal, and as a multicolour aggro deck occasionally just loses to itself, but nevertheless powerful.

Affinity - turn 1, darksteel citadel, springleaf drum. Turn two seat of the synod, frogmite, frogmite, thoughtcast, carapace forger YOUR MOVE.

r/w wellspring - midrange deck that gets value from bouncing ichor wellsprings and prophetic prisms with glint hawks and things.
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Post Post #3851 (ISO) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:19 pm

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I'd be interested in Pauper. I usually play budget decks anyways. For me that usually means rareless, and some of my friends have started playing Rareless Standard very frequently, even though that isn't an official format (I don't think). And I do have a Cyclops rareless deck. So, I think I could easily switch to common only. Ummm... but there is no way to give Cyclops double strike in Standard Pauper. But I guess y'all aren't talking about Standard.

Is this online? I've never played online. Also, I would need to be an alternate, if I would be in, because I'm not exactly a great player.
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Post Post #3852 (ISO) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:57 pm

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I'm looking for anyone familiar with various control and combo decks in legacy to test with me on cockatrice for the upcoming GP.

Specifically, I'm looking for people who are competent pilots of
Sneak and Show
Reanimator
ANT
Elves!
Jund
Esper Stoneblade
Shardless BUG
Omnitell
Reanimator

If you're a competent pilot of any of these decks and are down to do some testing hit me up.
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Post Post #3853 (ISO) » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:16 pm

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And here's what I'm playing, if anyone wants to pick it apart.

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4 Sinew Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
4 Crystalline Sliver
2 Hibernation Sliver
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4 Phantasmal Image
4 Galerider Sliver
4 Striking Sliver
4 Ancient Ziggurat
3 City of Brass
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Dismember
4 Syphon Sliver
1 Savannah
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
3 Tarnished Citadel
4 Mutavault
SB: 3 Meddling Mage
SB: 2 Mindbreak Trap
SB: 2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 4 Force of Will
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Post Post #3854 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:45 am

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propeht of kruphix bant lifegain is kicking my ass goddamn it reck
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Post Post #3855 (ISO) » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:35 pm

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I saw the dumbest goddamn thing at my LGS last night.

Walked by in the middle of a match between a BUG Midrange deck I beat last week, and a UG deck.

Player 1 (BUG) had a Reaper of the Wilds. And a Progenitor Mimic copying it. And another Mimic copying the first one (so, it spawns two tokens). Player 1 is spawning three Reapers per turn (and I think had one token at the time I walked by, so he went Mimic, pass, [p2 turn], draw, mimic, pass).

Here's where I walked up.

Player 2 (UG) plays his own Mimic, copying the second Mimic of player 1. So he gets a Reaper that spawns three tokens per upkeep. He passes.

Player 1 spawns his tokens... then plays his third Progenitor Mimic, copying his opponent's, which is copying his, which is copying his, which is copying his Reaper, and will spawn 4 tokens for a grand total of seven tokens spawning per turn.


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Post Post #3856 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:27 am

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Heh. A Judge ruled that couldn't happen when my friend asked if that was possible.
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Post Post #3857 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:33 am

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If you choose to have Progenitor Mimic enter the battlefield as a copy of a creature, the triggered ability it gains will become part of its copiable values. For example, suppose Progenitor Mimic enters the battlefield as a copy of Runeclaw Bear, a 2/2 green Bear creature with mana cost {1}{G}. The resulting object is a 2/2 green Bear creature named Runeclaw Bear with mana cost {1}{G} and with “At the beginning of your upkeep, if this creature isn't a token, put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of this creature.” If another Progenitor Mimic enters the battlefield as a copy of that creature, it will be a Runeclaw Bear with two instances of the triggered ability.

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Post Post #3858 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:52 am

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So the second LGS near me is much more casual than the one I've been going to. It's free entry, or $5 to double prizes, and top 8 gets a booster box divided up (or 5 packs/ea/$10 credit for split).

Sleeved up a deck called PyroRed, splashing white for Chained and Boros Charm, and went at it. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ths-pyroboros/

Round 1: UB Control, 2-0 (game 2 his Ashiok absorbed 10 points of damage. looking back, I maybe could have ignored it)
Round 2: Maze's End 2-1 (he gained 35 life total game 1, I lost. drew a Skullcrack games 2 and 3 to negate his Saruli Gatekeepers. so glad I decided on those.)
Round 3: Mono Red 2-0 (some AIR variant. he wasn't the best pilot of the deck, won fairly easily)
Round 4: Devotion Red 2-1 (this chick knew how to pilot a red deck. game 1 I didn't get a single point of damage in (BTE BTE FFS t2 hurts). game 2 I slowly stabilized but was at 3 for a few turns, which fucking scared the hell out of me since she hadn't played a Lightning Strike yet that game. game 3 she mulled to five and I slowly took the game)
Round 5: Junk Midrange 0-0-3 (saw this guy playing last match and decided to draw because I knew I couldn't win. we played the match anyway. lost game 1 to a giant Lotleth Troll, won game 2, lost game 3)
Round 6: WU Heroic 2-0 (looked like an event deck edit? offered to draw, he refused, I just kept him off his creatures with burn and won easily)

Cut to top 8, the Junk player drew with his last opponent putting me at the first seed, it was 12:30am though and we all ended up splitting. Which I like because at my other LGS people always want to play it out and I'm tired/biking home at 1-2am. Took 5 packs over $10 store credit, pulled nothing useful. But I have my Rampager promo* :D

Originally I was running a one-of Blind Obedience in the side, or a Wear/Tear, but I think I just want a third Mortars because it hits Blood Baron and is probably more useful for that than a one-of I'll never see.

Running this at Game Day there today. Here's hoping I win that awesome Elspeth playmat. If not I'm tempted to switch to a Purphoros playmat. BLOOD FOR THE
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Post Post #3859 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:57 am

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Fourteen player Game Day what

God I hope none of the other dozen are playing Junk or Blue Devotion... This will either be an easy win or I lose match one.
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Post Post #3860 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:50 pm

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hell yeah I do, I got like 4 dimir charm promos so as many as you can win
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Post Post #3861 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:59 pm

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I traded some Ratchet Bombs for a charm promo today >_> I could maybe use another one if I can grab a GCR promo next week as well.

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PyroBoros gets there, aww yeah. (shame I only pulled two scrylands, Nylea, and meh stuff from the packs but AWESOME PLAYMAT GET)
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Post Post #3862 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:36 pm

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http://www.castingcommons.com/jstl-teams/

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Post Post #3863 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:44 pm

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oh holy fuck, that's cool as shit.
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Post Post #3864 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:44 pm

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(speaking of which, I need to playtest the decks)
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Post Post #3865 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:32 am

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Post Post #3866 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:20 am

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Hi friends

Trying to build a Standard deck on MODO before the daily @ 4 EST today, hoping you guys can help fill in the gaps. I'm looking to borrow any & all of the following:

4 Dreadbore
2 Chandra, Pyromancer
4 Magma Jet
4 Xathrid Necromancer
1 Rakdos' Return
1-3 Lifebane Zombie
2 Thoughtseize
4 blood crypt

I know the price on all of these cards is steep - I'll pay you back for the loan with a cute drawing, or a picture of Fate in kitty pajamas. Only need them for about a week!
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Post Post #3867 (ISO) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:04 am

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pyroboros too stronk, won my second fnm with it.

winning ten packs and pulling ashiok/thoughtseize*/erebos/reaper/two temples is also awesome.

*I was chatting with one of my opponents that I intentionally drew with, discussing if it was better to take $20 store credit or ten packs, and he said something like "you can at least pick what you win with store credit: 'Here's a Thoughtseize for top 8!' seems pretty good." hue.

also Fate I came in third so I didn't get the promo (didn't wanna play and lose to Junk last round) but I will totally trade my only Rampager promo for a Warleader's Helix promo (Jan.).
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Post Post #3868 (ISO) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:33 pm

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Would like thoughts / critiques on a silly standard deck that seems fun:

4 Akroan Crusader
2 Goblin Loyalist
2 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Arena Athlete
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Triton Fortune Hunter
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge

3 Coordinated Assault
4 Triton Tactics
2 Rapid Hyrbidization
3 Magma Jet
1 Lightning Strike
1 Mizzium Mortars
3 Hidden Strings
1 Hands of Binding

1 Dragon Mantle
4 Madcap Skills

4 Steam Vents
11 Mountain
5 Island

~

Sideboard probably something like:

2 Electrickery (deal with Master of Waves tokens, etc.)
1 Mizzium Mortars
1 Turn / Burn
2 Spell Rupture (seems like it could be surprisingly sweet)
2 Hammer of Purphoros (against control)
2 Skullcrack
1 Pithing Needle
1 Dynacharge (against the -1/-0 Jace; and yes, that is actually an issue for this deck)
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge
2 Lightning Strike (particularly against Nightveil Specter)

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Edit: Thinking I might take out both Rapid Hybridizations for the fourth Magma Jet and a second Dragon Mantle. They both seem pretty sweet. Might also take out a Triton Tactics for something, but boy do I love that card. Deck seems fun.
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Post Post #3869 (ISO) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:24 am

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So, this deck is strange enough that I'm not at all confident in any speculation but, rapid hybridization seems way sweeter at triggering the heroic effects once than mantle. So like, once you've burnt through your other targeted effects or in response to their removal it seems amazing, I don't think cutting all of them can be right, I'd probably be tempted to add more of them. But, again, strange deck, haven't played or seen it be played.
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Post Post #3870 (ISO) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:45 pm

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In post 3869, chamber wrote:So, this deck is strange enough that I'm not at all confident in any speculation but, rapid hybridization seems way sweeter at triggering the heroic effects once than mantle. So like, once you've burnt through your other targeted effects or in response to their removal it seems amazing, I don't think cutting all of them can be right, I'd probably be tempted to add more of them. But, again, strange deck, haven't played or seen it be played.
A fair point. Without Rapid Hyrbidization, my deck (as it is) admittedly doesn't really have answers to things like Polukranos (which is clearly quite good against this deck), Master of Waves (pro-red), and who knows what else. Getting a 3/3 in response to removal ain't bad either (or just upgrading one of my own guys with heroic value, getting an instant blocker, etc.)

Another option is Disperse (or possibly Voyage's End for the Scry 1), which can bounce Polukranos before it's monstrous activation can actually occur, or blockers that can't be burned out or I would rather not burn out (like Boros Reckoner). Of course those spells cost 2 mana instead of 1 mana. Scrying in this deck is, I find, incredibly useful -- because it has such a low curve, I can just keep pumping out spell after spell if I can keep the top of my deck where I want it.

Dragon's Mantle is growing on me more and more during my "goldfish" testing; despite only running 20 lands, the deck can really stall for gas and start flooding at times. I am pretty much
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I am also semi-interested in Izzet Charm, but I don't like that it only hits non-creature spells (though it can counter a Planeswalker, admittedly, and decks without non-creature spells pretty much run Garruk / Domri Rade / Xenagos).

Finally, Nivmagis Elemental looks really intriguing now that I am looking at it.
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Post Post #3871 (ISO) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:52 pm

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Yep, that's how that works. Also how the Modern Nivmagus deck works, where you're casting and exiling Bolts pointed at him to gain the last bits of damage to win.
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Post Post #3872 (ISO) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:54 am

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I've never seen a Red/Blue Cipher Heroic. I've seen it done with White for Fabled Hero and Phalanx Leader, and Black for Agent of the Fates. I thought about Red, but decided not to try it, because an overcharged Electrickery would wipe my side of the board without an answer.

And yes, many Cipher Heroic decks that I have seen run Nivmagus Elemental, because a ciphered Hidden Strings can trigger two heroic creatures, and then the Nivmagus. Yeah, I'm kinda into these weird combo-things. I'm definitely a Johnny.
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In post 3870, petroleumjelly wrote:Finally, Nivmagis Elemental looks really intriguing now that I am looking at it. If I am thinking correctly (and please correct me if I am wrong), I can cast a cheap instant, get the heroic trigger(s), and if the instant isn't all that great or necessary (of if my opponent just plain tries to counter it), I can exile it to give the Elemental two +1/+1 counters. This can be even more ridiculous if I can get a Cipher spell going (because every time a Ciphered creature connects, the Cipher spell is cast, which can again be exiled to the Elemental). It could actually turn into a real powerhouse and can be cast off of any mana source in the deck.
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In post 3871, bv310 wrote:Yep, that's how that works. Also how the Modern Nivmagus deck works, where you're casting and exiling Bolts pointed at him to gain the last bits of damage to win.
don't lightning bolts do more damage than 2 +1/+1 counters >___>


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List def looks interseting. I'd want dynacharges main and triton tactics in the SB though, mainly because I think a maindeck should be as streamlined as possible in dealing 20 damage as fast as its game plan can acheive (and triton tactics doesn't increase your clock, just blows out other creature decks).

I also suggest cutting down on the 1 and 2-ofs to get 4-ofs of the effects you want all the time, such as the 1 mortars, 1 hands of bidning, 1 purphoros (seems like your hand would mostly be empty by the time he comes down with no card draw effects)
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