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Post Post #6450 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:41 am

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In post 6449, ffullisade wrote:Is there some reason why you're asking about the blindingly obvious?
Yes, because in 6644, you are intimating that Nacho would be dumb to kill you, while calling penguin scummy for suggesting it.

So if Nacho is not dumb-scum, but is scum, then who would he kill?
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Post Post #6451 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:54 am

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In post 6450, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6449, ffullisade wrote:Is there some reason why you're asking about the blindingly obvious?
Yes, because in 6644, you are intimating that Nacho would be dumb to kill you, while calling penguin scummy for suggesting it.

So if Nacho is not dumb-scum, but is scum, then who would he kill?
No, it is blindingly obvious. Scum-Nacho would kill you, and take PA and me to LYLO. And I would angst about it for two weeks, but reread stuff, including the posts leading up to BabySpice' replace-out, and say, yeah no that was not a town-pirouette and she didn't stick the flounce.

You have not budged on your nacho-is-red-scum case and you're holding on to the idea that there's 2 scum in the game.

So, tomorrow, if you are alive and you are correct and I am dead and flipped town, you have two choices:

- You're in LYLO with town and blue scum
- You're kingmaker and you decide which of blue or red scum win

When that sinks in, then please assume town can win. And drop your red scum case. And don't vote Nacho.

Or, join me today and let's end this 5+ month long game.
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Post Post #6452 (ISO) » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:36 am

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One-Hundred-Eighty-Fourth Votecount
:
(Fifth Votecount of Day Eight,
AKA, the "The mod has seriously, seriously slipped" votecount.
)


No Lynch - 2 (PeregrineV, penguin_alien)

penguin_alien - 2 (Nachomamma8, ffullisade)


All votes are in play.

With
4
alive, it's
3
to (no-)lynch.

Day Eight's deadline is Thursday, October 24th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-10-24 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,
nobody
would be lynched.


Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
penguin_alien - 2 (Nachomamma8,
ffullisade
)
No Lynch - 2 (
PeregrineV
,
penguin_alien
)

Not Voting - 0 (
PeregrineV
,
ffullisade
,
penguin_alien
)
Last votecount was page 258, post 6425.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D8
Nachomamma8: penguin_alien
PeregrineV: No Lynch
penguin_alien: Nachomamma8->Unvote->No Lynch
ffullisade: penguin_alien


Spoiler: Vote History D8
On Fri, Oct 10/04/13 @ 5:09p,
Nachomamma8
votes
penguin_alien
in post 6343.
On Sun, Oct 10/06/13 @ 12:07p,
penguin_alien
Votes
Nachomamma8
in post 6368.
On Mon, Oct 10/07/13 @ 03:44p,
penguin_alien
Unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 6383.
On Thu, Oct 10/17/13 @ 11:12a,
PeregrineV
votes to NO LYNCH in post 6427.
On Thu, Oct 10/17/13 @ 11:23a,
penguin_alien
Votes to NO LYNCH in post 6429.
On Thu, Oct 10/17/13 @ 02:21p,
ffullisade
votes
penguin_alien
in post 6431.
Last edited by mastin2 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Post #6453 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:22 am

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In post 6447, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6441, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6439, PeregrineV wrote:Well, according to you, Penguin (the last scum) is going to kill off both you and Ffullisade (because you both suspect him).
penguin is going to kill ffullisade.
Then maybe I'll start tomorrow voting penguin.

It's a crazy, mixed up world, and there is no telling what could happen.
You probably won't, thought.
Ffullisade *might* vote me, but they probably won't.
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Post Post #6454 (ISO) » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:10 pm

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In post 6451, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6450, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6449, ffullisade wrote:Is there some reason why you're asking about the blindingly obvious?
Yes, because in 6644, you are intimating that Nacho would be dumb to kill you, while calling penguin scummy for suggesting it.

So if Nacho is not dumb-scum, but is scum, then who would he kill?
No, it is blindingly obvious. Scum-Nacho would kill you, and take PA and me to LYLO. And I would angst about it for two weeks, but reread stuff, including the posts leading up to BabySpice' replace-out, and say, yeah no that was not a town-pirouette and she didn't stick the flounce.

You have not budged on your nacho-is-red-scum case and you're holding on to the idea that there's 2 scum in the game.

So, tomorrow, if you are alive and you are correct and I am dead and flipped town, you have two choices:

- You're in LYLO with town and blue scum
- You're kingmaker and you decide which of blue or red scum win

When that sinks in, then please assume town can win. And drop your red scum case. And don't vote Nacho.

Or, join me today and let's end this 5+ month long game.
If I'm in Lylo with town and blue scum, I have a 50% chance (or better even, if I make an educated guess) of hitting scum. Today that would only by 33%, randomly.
Correct?

If I'm kingmaker because scum decides that's there best chance of winning, then I'll listen to both sides arguments and I guess vote the team I hate the least.

Why not do that instead?

You know, if scum were to kill Nacho then I'd be super confused tomorrow....
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Post Post #6455 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:45 am

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In post 6454, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6451, ffullisade wrote:
In post 6450, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6449, ffullisade wrote:Is there some reason why you're asking about the blindingly obvious?
Yes, because in 6644, you are intimating that Nacho would be dumb to kill you, while calling penguin scummy for suggesting it.

So if Nacho is not dumb-scum, but is scum, then who would he kill?
No, it is blindingly obvious. Scum-Nacho would kill you, and take PA and me to LYLO. And I would angst about it for two weeks, but reread stuff, including the posts leading up to BabySpice' replace-out, and say, yeah no that was not a town-pirouette and she didn't stick the flounce.

You have not budged on your nacho-is-red-scum case and you're holding on to the idea that there's 2 scum in the game.

So, tomorrow, if you are alive and you are correct and I am dead and flipped town, you have two choices:

- You're in LYLO with town and blue scum
- You're kingmaker and you decide which of blue or red scum win

When that sinks in, then please assume town can win. And drop your red scum case. And don't vote Nacho.

Or, join me today and let's end this 5+ month long game.
If I'm in Lylo with town and blue scum, I have a 50% chance (or better even, if I make an educated guess) of hitting scum. Today that would only by 33%, randomly.
Correct?

If I'm kingmaker because scum decides that's there best chance of winning, then I'll listen to both sides arguments and I guess vote the team I hate the least.

Why not do that instead?

You know, if scum were to kill Nacho then I'd be super confused tomorrow....
You probably won't get any indication that you're in a kingmaker situation, and it will be purely your own assumptions about the game state.

Which is why I say assume it's still winnable and work from there. And good luck, I guess.
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Post Post #6456 (ISO) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:38 pm

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PV, ffullisade, any questions you want to discuss? I still see no advantage to lynching today over tomorrow if PV's not sure about scum distribution.
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Post Post #6457 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:50 am

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Words trickle like rain
While stances remain stagnant
Explosions tonight
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Post Post #6458 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:50 am

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In post 6457, ffullisade wrote:Words trickle like rain
While stances remain stagnant
Explosions tonight
Only one scum should be a single explosion. :wink:
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Post Post #6459 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:53 am

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In post 6456, penguin_alien wrote:PV, ffullisade, any questions you want to discuss? I still see no advantage to lynching today over tomorrow if PV's not sure about scum distribution.
I think there is 1 and 1.

I could be wrong.

But, for both scenarios I laid out why no-lynch would be best.
In post 6427, PeregrineV wrote:If 3:1 then no lynch is best.
If 2:1:1 then lynching scum loses the game for us. That makes no lynch the best.

Vote: No Lynch
At no point has anyone presented any countervailing logic.
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Post Post #6460 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:55 am

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Post Post #6461 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:59 am

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WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY MASTIN
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Post Post #6462 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:03 am

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In post 6461, Nachomamma8 wrote:WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY MASTIN
Something aside from a post that's purely prod-dodging. :P
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Post Post #6463 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:07 am

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ummmmm
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Post Post #6464 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:07 am

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this post is
not
prod dodging because within this post i am saying more than prod dodge and i have not expressly crafted these posts specifically to prod dodge
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Post Post #6465 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:12 am

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In post 6459, PeregrineV wrote:At no point has anyone presented any countervailing logic.
I've presented my problems with that logic.
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Post Post #6466 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:25 am

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In post 6465, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6459, PeregrineV wrote:At no point has anyone presented any countervailing logic.
I've presented my problems with that logic.
This was your answer:
In post 6430, Nachomamma8 wrote:peregrine why are you being so unbelievably stubborn
you see that you are very strongly against me
and ffullisade is very strongly against penguin

so if there is only one scum left (literally everyone except for you is saying this)
then the final scum is going to kill off the person who suspects them for a win in 3p
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Post Post #6467 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:33 am

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yep
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Post Post #6468 (ISO) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:34 am

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aka a no lynch isn't optimal in a 4 player when stances are so strongly defined in the sand because scum can kill the person against them and chalk it up to WIFOM
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Post Post #6469 (ISO) » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:23 am

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With a great delay, the votecount is up.

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Post Post #6470 (ISO) » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:15 am

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Post Post #6471 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:36 am

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Being mislynch bait
Truly is irritating
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Post Post #6472 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:37 am

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I liked ffery's poems better.
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Post Post #6473 (ISO) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:16 pm

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Post Post #6474 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:35 am

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In post 6472, Nachomamma8 wrote:I liked ffery's poems better.
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