Mini 1505: N is for Normal (game over)

[Maxous]

Vote: Axxle

for reaching

You calling him scummy?
That post from Axxle looks towny to me.

[Maxous]

SB feels like town too.

GG - I noticed your join date. You play mafia much offsite?

[Maxous]

Good enough for me.

vote:Thor

I feel like he is being overly aggressive on little basis. Calling for a speedlynch is bleh.

[Maxous]

GARMR

-I have a few questions for you buddy.

1)

while fueling the flames between the two wagons.

Can you elaborate on where and how?

2) What is the issue with me calling people town early in the game?

3)

and he votes still through I find him suspicious for taking so long to vote and the way his just listing people as town so early in the game.

I find those actions a combination of town and null tells.
What am I missing here, how are they advantageous to scum?

Did you see this?
If yes, why did you ignore it?

4)

Also your points on Tool are fluff lol the only one I could consider not fluff is the one about pretending to be clueless and that's not really to strong of a sign.

Why did you write this?
To these eyes this looks to be nothing but mudslinging at zakk who attacked you.

5) Between your vote on me and your last post there has been 50 posts. You have given zero other thoughts on other people's alignments. Why?

[Maxous]

Good god my head is ul my ass at the minute

unvote

meant to vote for zakk, I'll just keep it off altogether, I cant seem to trust my brain to fingers communication at the minute.

This kind of thing is why I don't phone post lol.

That being said, where the hell is Maxous?

At work.

Regarding Axxle: It's more often town rather than scum that attack players for stuff such as 'tone' etc. of posts. (It's can be difficult to fake that argument as scum). Plus the post just feels town too.

zakk + Guthrie have become town reads.
Thor has won me over for sheer pro-town effort, particulary in #60
I still beleive Sir Bastion is town ftr.
I'm iffy about Tcold.

unvote, vote:Slandaar

I don't care for Slandaar only focusing on one player in 3 posts when there is enough other things to talk about in the game.

[Maxous]

nope.

I suspect he is deliberately not commenting on multiple people and trying to get away with minimum scumhunting.

[Maxous]

Now I actually really don't like Macros's more recent posts. While his observations and points are alright, he outright states two players he's suspecting and yet votes for no one. This reads to me as leaving his options open instead of pressuring players. Bad.

Is'nt it apparent that he has theory differences to you?
And you're still calling him scummy over it?

[Maxous]

I find one on one the best way to get information as it's what I excel

at when I get bombarded by lots of different players I get confused and I try to handle one at a time and I lose pace.

and yet you have'nt tried to enage anybody 'one on one'

Before I vote, I'd like to point out that I think there's a difference between inactivity and lurking.

What is this.
Why did you call me out for not posting in 17 hours if you understand the difference??

Then there's this kind of pseudo-lurking where you post enough to not be called a lurker, but you don't say much of substance -- just like a lurker, you're not contributing to the conversation, but you get to escape from the label.

And for the record, this is why you should be voting slandaar.

Regarding Garmr, I would lynch him, but not with great confidence.

[Maxous]

Prolly TCold.

And we apparently have different ideas of what "'one on one' is so.

[Maxous]

I tend to break down even as town Albert and T-cold know this from past experience with me.

Do you feel like this has happened in this game so far?

[Maxous]

zakk-probably scum I don't like any of his reasons.
Albert- Hasn't been helpful all game, Jumped on my wagon with little reasoning and just is irritating. Scum
-off my wagon i have GG as a slight scum read.

Your vote is on the weakest of the three reads here. Why?

Garmr is all over the place. He's giving off noobtells left and right, which in a game with lots of experienced players, makes him an easy lynch.

I understand the hestitation, but I've noticed you're not calling him town while arguing against the wagon.
what is your actual read of Garmr.

[Maxous]

I actually think I agree with ABR there.

So do we take it as a town tell or leave it as null?

[Maxous]

I feel like I should trust this.

unvote, vote: Thor665

TCold needs to do better with his posts btw.

[Maxous]

Also, I like to watch him squirm.

However, this game has a lot of suspects and so I am just going to remove myself from the pool later as I am town and this town needs obvtowns at this point. So, expect lots of content on interesting things.

This put Slandaar higher on my scum list.

I actually had the opposite reaction.

[Maxous]

I have town reads at : ICEninja, Sir Bastion, + toolenduso.
Guthrie Gov and Macros were towny from what I remember. zakk seems lazy-ish town.
ABR - slight town.
Axxle - MIA
My interest in lynching Slandaar is cooling, but no i'mt convinced.
Garmr is actually getting kinda scummy and TCold is coming across as lazy scum.

[Maxous]

*i'm not convinced

[Maxous]

Thor, the scummy part is where you don't have enough information to think Slandaar is scum, yet you push his lynch with a song on your lips.

I feel like he done this very early with Guthrie and Sir bastion on the first couple of pages(i.e. calling for quicklynches) but has since dropped his suspicion of them, which suggests to me that he was calling for their immediate lynches *without* being overly sure of their scumminess.

Which is why I found it interesting when you (ABR) brought up the Slandaar thing

I'll elaborate on Thor more after dinner

[Maxous]

The argument on Thor from what I seen was that he is handpicking lynches to push rather than pushing people and seeing what reaction he gets out of them.(the player)
And I can see where that's coming from.
With GG, SB and slandaar he was treating them like 'open and shut' cases too much,(look at post #18 for example)

That was why I went along and voted when I did. (plus ABR just generally came across as knowing what he was talking about)

He seems to say he done this in the recent newbie game (I assume #1435) but upon overlooking it, he did'nt. So the meta defence is'nt valid.
Thor moving the goalposts and claiming people are attacking him

because he is playing to a different meta than he usually does

, does'nt endear him to me further.
Neither did his accusation of ABR chainsaw defending Slandaar.
And I don't think Thor gave a satisfactory answer to one of the central questions of the issue: Why was he not interested in hearing input from the three lurker players before ending the day.(by lynching Slandaar)

[Maxous]

I think you're all newbies, currently.
I feel like I'm the only one who even knows what he's saying.

It's like your playing checkers, and I'm playing chess

[Maxous]

btw if you guys are gonna lynch a lurker, lynch TCold.
You know, the guy not engaging himself into the game, being content to merely comment from the sidelines and react to posts directed at him.

The thor and slandaar back and forth hurts my head. I like how zakk jumps on the wagons with the most momentum. Notice how at the end of posts 249 and post 368 yet still hasn't released anything of substance. His sarcastic, trying to be funny but failing and just has thrown out heaps of fluff I'm quite happy with my vote. He was also trying to push a lynch on Thor with out offering anything to the case def scum.

and you

I've noticed how you've stayed WELL CLEAR of getting your hands dirty with the thor-slandaar-ABR debate.

[Maxous]

oh and if nobody has mentioned this yet, F16 is very town.

[Maxous]

@Thor
I suppose gut would'nt suffice?

I did like post #329 but idk you could be scum that genuinely feels the case on him is stupid.

Your ABR push feels a bit like 'welp can't back down from this now'.
Like, what's with this for example:

No, you started this train, we're doing it. No backsies.

I was'nt fully sheeping ABR for the record.

I am mulling over just voting TCold but I'm okay leaving the vote where it is for now.

P-edit:

Slandaar seems to be following a trend of attacking the people who suspect him.

If there's one thing I remember about Slandaar, it's that he does this anyway.

[Maxous]

screw it

unvote

TCold should post soon.

[Maxous]

***vote:garmr***

yeah, yeah weaker player.
but inexperience has'nt stopped tool + zakk from being town.
garmr's had enough chances to be town.

[Maxous]

@maxous
To anwser your post 391 which i just read after isoing.
I haven't stayed away from the Abr,SLaandar and Thor affair. I said it does my head in and I gave my opinions and it gives me a head ache that it continued aslong as it did.
Thor-null
Slaandar-null-town
and
Abr-scum
Which i said in the begging of this mess.

The only thing that has changed that I haven't mentioned is Thor's gone from null to town and that only happened in the last couple of posts which is after your question. You may of actually got most of these facts if you actually read what I was saying instead of being lazy.

This is redonkulous

Called ABR scum in #180 before the ABR-Thor shenanigans began.

no comment,"It hurts my head", no comment, no comment/it hurts my head

Where are these opinions?

Looks like avoiding the debate to me.

[Maxous]

I don't think ABR is scum in this game, because if he is, his scum strategy seems very unnecessarily complicated

[Maxous]

as in why he would go after you in the first place with a complicated-ish case when he could just EZ lynch Garmr or slandaar or someone.

[Maxous]

Barring something dramatic, i'll be voting Garmr or Thor at the end of the day period.
I'll wait and see where the replacements vote etc.

[Maxous]

Barring something dramatic, i'll be voting Garmr or Thor at the end of the day period.
I'll wait and see where the replacements vote etc.

And this actually makes me feel a little better about my decision.

You calling me scummy?

[Maxous]

@toolenduso:

I'm at the point of who else is scum if they're not.

ICE ninja, Sir bastion, toolenduso, F16 read as town.

Slandaar, ABR, Elyse, zakk read as town-ish to varying degrees.

ergo that leaves 4 players and I would rather not vote one off the 2 lurker slots until the replacements have time to get into the game and post content.

There is a couple of scummy things Garmr has done that I can get into later though, I'm in a rush now.

[Maxous]

No, I'm not supporting the ABR wagon but lynch him if you want.

My case on Garmr is'nt gut, he's scummy. We can lynch him D2 or w/e

[Maxous]

Look at the vote count, look at the only other person voting the way you are - your case is going nowhere and it's doing it at lightning speed. Why are you okay with this?

Because ABR is the obv lynch of the day, so if the town wants to, go ahead. Me ranting about Garmr is'nt gonna change that.
If ABR is scum - great, I was wrong and we'll go from there.
If he flips town - fine, it will be easier to push you and Garmr afterwards anyway.

[Maxous]

Alright, I'm finally reading this. I've been putting it off due to lacking motivation, but I'm going to now. Expect a logical post from me soonish.

Do you generally feel unmotivated when you have to fake a bunch of content??

[Maxous]

I'm more suspicious of Maxous who hasn't laid down a vote and is content on just calling people towny while fueling the flames between the two wagons.


UNVOTE: Alby boy, VOTE: Maxous

EDWOP [/b

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and he votes still through I find him suspicious for taking so long to vote and the way his just listing people as town so early in the game.

Slightly scummy. Looking for a reason to vote rather than looking for scum?

Also your points on Tool are fluff lol the only one I could consider not fluff is the one about pretending to be clueless and that's not really to strong of a sign.

Slightly scummy.
Unnecessary mudslinging at Zakk to discredit his read?

#121 + #134 <== slow to give out reads until directly called out

I'm trying to engage in one on one this round but i'm kinda failing. I'm not the best at defending myself from multiple people either as I tend to break down even as town Albert and T-cold know this from past experience with me.

Slightly scummy. Weird excuse.

Albert- Hasn't been helpful all game, Jumped on my wagon with little reasoning and just is irritating. Scum

Making a note of this reasoning for ABR-scum. It's all he ever gives.

@Tcold
Just a couple of questions and then feel free to ask me some.

1.What do you think of the scuffle between Slandaar and Thor.(I know you think Thor is suspicious but can you point out certain points.)
2.Do you have any scum reads on people no one has mentioned and why?
3.What's your current read of Tool since you didn't like him earlier but you haven't mentioned him since. So what helped confirm/change your read on him.

This is when he ignored the ABR-Thor debate despite ABR being his strongest scum-read.
It is very plausible that inexperienced scum would avoid such a debate like a plague because of not knowing how to handle the situation.
I did'nt see toolenduso shy away from it.
That was scummy.
His stated reason for not commenting was basically that nothing changed regarding ABR. But nothing to say about ABR's case on Thor???
'nothing changed' doesn't sound genuine.

[Maxous]

If i'm nightkilled you now have my legacy.

[Maxous]

like really thinking about his #180 - "has'nt been helpful".
But when ABR gives content - nothing changes??

I can only assume Garmr's reasoning for ABR-scum is "Jumped on my wagon with little reasoning and just is irritating"

[Maxous]

Yeah I probably should of tried harder :I

[Maxous]

*le sigh*, scum had this game on lockdown from early on, it was a good scum performance all around.

I do feel like a lazy, passive jerk for not making sure garmr was lynched earlier though :/

[Maxous]

Well toolenduso was the only obv-town in lylo, which is good for a player new to playing normal games

most would get mislynched. I got mislynched in my first 2 mini normals so he prolly done something right.

p-edit: oh everyone is chiming in, cool

[Maxous]

the heebie jeebies have never failed me yet

but yeah, good play.