Mini 1500:Narnia- The Lion,the Witch,and the Wardrobe Mafia

[Broken Aquarium]

and on top of that, you still don't have a vote on her this game. but instead, have several times tried to 'policy' lynch peace
and skelda... who, in answer to your question, is town, just because

[Broken Aquarium]

Screw it, I'm hydra-slipping so this shows up in my posts, as I keep forgetting about it.

Not seeing the MD case, but I also don't like his claiming Named townie without citing a character. It looks like scum who doesn't know which fake claim to use.

--PA

penguin, isn't this a little weird, that you say you're not seeing the case, but at the same time, say it looks like scum fooling around with a fake claim?

[Broken Aquarium]

JKLM and Hermy?
(jklm seems to have lost his town steam)
(will make a case later)

[alienBRO]

Screw it, I'm hydra-slipping so this shows up in my posts, as I keep forgetting about it.

Not seeing the MD case, but I also don't like his claiming Named townie without citing a character. It looks like scum who doesn't know which fake claim to use.

--PA

penguin, isn't this a little weird, that you say you're not seeing the case, but at the same time, say it looks like scum fooling around with a fake claim?

I don't think the part that got him up to enough votes that he needed to claim was strong, but his elongated claim process is scummy to the point where it's almost more important than why he got to L-1 or whatever originally.

--PA

[ArcAngel9]

VOTECOUNT 1.8

(3)

Broken aquarium

- JKLM, mnemonicdevice, Hermy
(0)

PeaceBringer

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(0)

JKLM

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(4)

mnemonicdevice

- PeaceBringer, Skelda, Garmr, killerjester
(0)

projectmatt

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(1)

mozamis

- RachMarie
(2)

RachMarie

- smargaret, alienBRO
(0)

smargaret

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(0)

Garmr

- ,
(0)

alienBRO

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(0)

killerjester

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(0)

Skelda

- ,
(2)

Hermy

- projectmatt, Broken Aquarium

(1) Not Voting

- mozamis


With 13 alive, it takes 7 for a lynch and 6 for no lynch!!
Day 1 ends on 16th OCT, 2013 17:19 hrs (Indian time)

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-10-16 17:19:00)

[ArcAngel9]

Hermy have been prodded

[Hermy]

Did I not post anything yesterday? I must've forgotten. Prod dodge

I'll post properly when I have time.

[Skelda]

How on earth is saying interesting a scumtell? I agree, I want MD to nameclaim and he deserves votes until he does, but is saying interesting really a great case against him? Does that seem like something scum would be more likely to say?

when he says it without really meaning anything... it's weird.
remember here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5346524 (unvote for no reason)... what is interesting?
and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5344378

And how is that a scumtell? And how is that any worse than me saying honestly?

I like the MD wagin, but not this logic. It is bad. What makes you think scum are any more likely to say interesting than non-scum?

[PeaceBringer]

How on earth is saying interesting a scumtell? I agree, I want MD to nameclaim and he deserves votes until he does, but is saying interesting really a great case against him? Does that seem like something scum would be more likely to say?

when he says it without really meaning anything... it's weird.
remember here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5346524 (unvote for no reason)... what is interesting?
and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5344378

And how is that a scumtell? And how is that any worse than me saying honestly?

I like the MD wagin, but not this logic. It is bad. What makes you think scum are any more likely to say interesting than non-scum?

It is not use of the particular word, it is what an individual may do or say when trying to appear town while scum. The posts have a certain feel to them. Can it be wrong, sure. Only way we find out is to get the flip.

[mozamis]

Problem with your approach Peace is that it's like a witch trial. "The only way to find out is if we lynch him...aaaaaaah shit he WAS innocent, oh well, can't be helped".
You see that's a problem?

[killerjester]

Lynching MD is very much NOT a problem

[mozamis]

If he is town, it is a problem. I'd like Peace to respond to my point.

[PeaceBringer]

Problem with your approach Peace is that it's like a witch trial. "The only way to find out is if we lynch him...aaaaaaah shit he WAS innocent, oh well, can't be helped".
You see that's a problem?

no it is not like a witch trial. Each piece of information gives more to work with. Either he is scum or not. There are people I view as town and can trust and then there are others. And guess what, this game is a "scum hunt" and you find out where things are. Removal from the game is not a big deal as it gives more information. I believe he is scum, but if not, not a big deal as it gives more information to sort the game. And basically it is what everyone does. Um, scum, not scum. If wrong then oops. It is the game. You suggest that there is any other dynamic to this, really?

[PeaceBringer]

If he is town, it is a problem. I'd like Peace to respond to my point.

and how can you trust that he is town... you cannot. We have so many scum, so any power roles. Most people start the game with limited information. As go, collect information. Any non-lynch of scum is still a piece of information that can be sorted and narrow down where scum went or not and how they reacted around said player. It is all more information. Where I come from, "vanilla" claims standing is considered really unwise cause that gives scum chances to hide in such claims as well. The strategies and thoughts can vary, sure. But you take simply put a spin to something. let me ask you this moz, are you so dead certain of MD that you would let him continue to linger and hang around to end game, seriously?

[killerjester]

It's like this. You thought he was town because he was being helpful, right? Now that he has claimed this is not the case, what is your read on him? Do you seriously think that if you looked at your own rolename in your PM that you'd include flavor by mistake? I don't know how big the picture in his PM is, but I'd reckon its big enough that the two aren't side by side.

[mozamis]

are you so dead certain of MD that you would let him continue to linger and hang around to end game, seriously?

This is bad. The burden of proof is not on me to prove him innocent. It on those that are voting for him to make a case as to his guilt. Otherwise, a nonsense situation develops whereby if you are town, you lynch anyone beacuse "They might be scum, I can't prove they are town".

My point was this: you don't seem that interested in giving the guy a fair trial. My concern is you're giving the impression of a man who is more interested in seeing a lynch than in finding scum. Apart from the fact that he said "interesting" (???), why do you think he is scum?

[alienBRO]

Woohoo finally caught up.

Backending reads with PA right now. We agree that the claim stumble is shady as, and that if MD is scum, he's saving his fakeclaim for other scum to use.

-Bro

[Skelda]

Skelda, give me YOUR case on MD.

Sorry, just noticed this again (I was in a rush when I first saw it and didn't have time to post, and then forgot). So, he had some bad logic involving my use of the word honestly even though he later claimed that him saying interesting wasn't a scumtell when there was no difference, and that is pretty hypocritical and scummy. He refused and continues to refuse to explain his BA read and how he originally came to the conclusion that BA was the Ice Queen. His read on me changed without explanation, or he forgot about it, even though I was busy with life and just not posting, which shouldn't make him any less suspicious of me if it was genuine suspicion. And then he had that whole Named Townie claim, which came out poorly, so yes. That is why I'm voting for him still.

Mozamis, these were my reasons for him being scum. I'm not trying to give him an unfair trial, people are just focusing on the not great evidence.

[Skelda]

Skelda, give me YOUR case on MD.

Sorry, just noticed this again (I was in a rush when I first saw it and didn't have time to post, and then forgot). So, he had some bad logic involving my use of the word honestly even though he later claimed that him saying interesting wasn't a scumtell when there was no difference, and that is pretty hypocritical and scummy. He refused and continues to refuse to explain his BA read and how he originally came to the conclusion that BA was the Ice Queen. His read on me changed without explanation, or he forgot about it, even though I was busy with life and just not posting, which shouldn't make him any less suspicious of me if it was genuine suspicion. And then he had that whole Named Townie claim, which came out poorly, so yes. That is why I'm voting for him still.

Mozamis, these were my reasons for him being scum. I'm not trying to give him an unfair trial, people are just focusing on the not great evidence.

[PeaceBringer]

are you so dead certain of MD that you would let him continue to linger and hang around to end game, seriously?

This is bad. The burden of proof is not on me to prove him innocent. It on those that are voting for him to make a case as to his guilt. Otherwise, a nonsense situation develops whereby if you are town, you lynch anyone beacuse "They might be scum, I can't prove they are town".

My point was this: you don't seem that interested in giving the guy a fair trial. My concern is you're giving the impression of a man who is more interested in seeing a lynch than in finding scum. Apart from the fact that he said "interesting" (???), why do you think he is scum?

Um, this is mafia. The burdern of proof is on whoever is suspect to convince others to trust them, especially if town. If not they should be lynched. MD did nothing to give any confidence level that he is as he says. This is not a court of law, people are not innocent until proven guilty. This is the game mafia. It is not about fair, it is about who is scum and who is not. No one goes to prison, they get removed from the game. People who are not scum get removed from the game, it happens. It is the game. I am not a "reads" and "reasons" person. His response to ther run up skaky. He needs to go and then sort it out.

[PeaceBringer]

Skelda, give me YOUR case on MD.

Sorry, just noticed this again (I was in a rush when I first saw it and didn't have time to post, and then forgot). So, he had some bad logic involving my use of the word honestly even though he later claimed that him saying interesting wasn't a scumtell when there was no difference, and that is pretty hypocritical and scummy. He refused and continues to refuse to explain his BA read and how he originally came to the conclusion that BA was the Ice Queen. His read on me changed without explanation, or he forgot about it, even though I was busy with life and just not posting, which shouldn't make him any less suspicious of me if it was genuine suspicion. And then he had that whole Named Townie claim, which came out poorly, so yes. That is why I'm voting for him still.

Mozamis, these were my reasons for him being scum. I'm not trying to give him an unfair trial, people are just focusing on the not great evidence.

It is day 1, "great evidence" does not exist on anyone. Period.

[Skelda]

Skelda, give me YOUR case on MD.

Sorry, just noticed this again (I was in a rush when I first saw it and didn't have time to post, and then forgot). So, he had some bad logic involving my use of the word honestly even though he later claimed that him saying interesting wasn't a scumtell when there was no difference, and that is pretty hypocritical and scummy. He refused and continues to refuse to explain his BA read and how he originally came to the conclusion that BA was the Ice Queen. His read on me changed without explanation, or he forgot about it, even though I was busy with life and just not posting, which shouldn't make him any less suspicious of me if it was genuine suspicion. And then he had that whole Named Townie claim, which came out poorly, so yes. That is why I'm voting for him still.

Mozamis, these were my reasons for him being scum. I'm not trying to give him an unfair trial, people are just focusing on the not great evidence.

It is day 1, "great evidence" does not exist on anyone. Period.

Well, true, but better evidence than a muddled claim and use of the word interesting does exist.

[JKLM]

Problem with your approach Peace is that it's like a witch trial. "The only way to find out is if we lynch him...aaaaaaah shit he WAS innocent, oh well, can't be helped".
You see that's a problem?

This is BS mozamiz, that's how mafia is played

Are you third in the scum trio? That would make sense

[mozamis]

JK and Peace, you're missing my point entirely. I am a reasonably experienced player, and I know full well that -especially on Day 1 -it is difficult to be "certain" of anyone being scum. I'm not asking for certainty. Just a decent case. And my main point was that Peace seems more interested in just getting MD lynced and hoping for the best, than at least TRYING to work out if MD is scum or not.
How would me being scum make any sense whatsoever JKLM?

Skelda's paranoia doesn't inspire confidence. I was clearly accusing Peace of not giving MD a fair trial. So quite why Skelda felt the need to deny that charge, I don't know. Unless you are paranoid scum Skelda?
The wrost thing about MD has been his play, or lack of it, since his claim.

[mozamis]

In fact, he doesn't seem interested in posting unless he is under pressure.

VOTE MD