Mini #406, Animaniacs! Water Tower Explosion! [Over]

[Thesp]

Why am I voting you? Did you bother looking back at my post? I'll repeat the question one more time, but if you avoid this for the THIRD TIME I strongly urge people to vote for Thesp.

I feel Thesp is shoehorning Mole in to a place of suspicion.

You yourself admited that it's not the thing he said in itself, but the timing more or less, yes?

I actually found that to be a sound argument against SJ. Giving players the opportunity to explain themselves, especially on Day One, is just common sense. I don't think that mole was providing Jerry with any particular foothold on which to build a defense, just pointing out that if he had one, everyone would like to hear it.

That's the thing - I agree it was a sound argument (even moreso given SJ's alignment now), and I think mole summed it up in an easy package for SJ to rebut so SJ wouldn't go all over the place. SJ certainly could explain himself without mole's help, why the prompt from mole? That's what gets me - it was fairly clear that SJ needed a defense, and mole is giving SJ the opportunity to not be voted. I don't think that's a throw-away statement, I think it's very deliberate.

You even say the argument is MORESO sound because of SJ's alignment. But later:

It could be that mole was doing both, but I don't think that doing the former is inherently scummy or even poor pro-town play, so barring evidence of the latter, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that mole did anything worthy of suspicion.

I agree with the premise, yet the fact that Sailor Jerry was indeed scum makes it more likely mole had ulterior motives. It is an inductive argument rather than a deductive one, but I think it merits consideration that it's more likely mole was doing bad things.

So you say he is MORE likely because of SJ's revealed alignment. This sounds like a contradiction to me. I like irony, so I'll say it. Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you thesp?

I'm terribly confused. Is the question I'm supposed to answer, "Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you thesp?" Or is it about some perceived contradiction that I'm clearly not seeing? Please help me understand what you're going on about.

[Foolster41]

The question, but in the context of what I saw as a contradiction.
The point I was trying to make was basically you were asserting that:

A: Mole's statement against SJ was Sound, because SJ is scum
B: Mole is more likely to be bad because SJ is scum

Now I think of it, it's not as much a contradiction as I thought. It does sound like you're setting yourself up to be right no matter what happens to mole, you can just quote either statement and look good.

I do think you're on the wrong track with this whole thing since statement B is unprovible. Either scum or town could make the statement mole made (this has been repeated by others as well).

Someone (Sorry forget who) said something about you being instrumental in the lynching of SJ. I'm going to double check that to be sure, and If It's true I'll unvote you since I agree giving up a scum buddy this early is not a likely play for scum.

[Foolster41]

Hmm. from the re-read you made some good points against Sj, but never actually voted for him. A little weird, but still I find it hard to beleive a scum would push so hard against other scum.

unvote

[Foolster41]

Oh reading wrong vote count, you voted 2nd to last. Sorry, I stand corrected.

[petroleumjelly]

They're Ani-mani,
Totally insane-y,
Citizen Kane-y:

ANIMANIACS!

These are the Facts:

mole – 2 – Thesp, Fritzler

Blake Judge – 1 – JDodge
Fuldu – 1 – VitaminR

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch!

Not Voting – 6 – Blake Judge, chamber, Foolster41, Fuldu, HurriKaty, mole

[VitaminR]

I didn't vote, but you have the other part right at the beginning of what you quoted.

Misread that, sorry.

As for the comments about the non-gut pieces of the basis for your vote, yeah that was a little patronizing. Sorry. I find the argument difficult to respond to, but not because I believe it has any merit, so I was left without anything constructive to say about it.

Fair enough.

Gah... I don't get the feeling you're scum any more.

Unvote: Fuldu

We need to hear from a lot of people. I'm re-reading.

[VitaminR]

Vote: JDodge

[Thesp]

*bangs head against keyboard*

[VitaminR]

Heh. Sorry.

[Foolster41]

What are you apollogizing for? voting JDodge? if so, why did you not unvote?

[HurriKaty]

This is just a note so I dont disappear and get prodded. My lack of posting has been with reason, as I'm moving 1000 miles across the country in 2 days and will be QUITE busy until then. After that, I'll try to get back into the game as quickly as possible.

[VitaminR]

What are you apollogizing for? voting JDodge? if so, why did you not unvote?

Nah, I'm apologising for whatever Thesp is frustrated about (which I assume to be my lack of reasoning and/or changing my mind based on intuition).

[VitaminR]

HurriKaty, good luck moving! Hope the new place is shiny.

[Foolster41]

Ok... if THAT is the reason you are apolllogizing, then would you like to share something?

I guess witholding info so the person will "hang themselves" can be useful sometimes, but it seems pointless to apollogize and then not saying about not being ready to share yet. Also voting for the person is a little bit of a tip-off (not as big as pointing out what it was they did mind you).

[JDodge]

Ok... if THAT is the reason you are apolllogizing, then would you like to share something?

I guess witholding info so the person will "hang themselves" can be useful sometimes, but it seems pointless to apollogize and then not saying about not being ready to share yet. Also voting for the person is a little bit of a tip-off (not as big as pointing out what it was they did mind you).

He's voting me for inactivity. I hate to say it, but I've been far too busy to reread. I've barely been able to squeeze the rest of my games in. I will try as hard as possible to reread by Wednesday, but I'm not sure if I'll have time.

[Blake Judge]

FWIW, I got through a quick re-read in about 15 minutes. There really hasn't been overly much content so far, as far as I can see.

[Foolster41]

FWIW?

[VitaminR]

For What It's Worth.

JDodge, I'm voting you for your quick votes on SJ and BJ.

Before anyone points out I was on those wagons too (albeit before him in both cases), I do realise that.

[JDodge]

For What It's Worth.

JDodge, I'm voting you for your quick votes on SJ and BJ.

Before anyone points out I was on those wagons too (albeit before him in both cases), I do realise that.

I was voting SJ because I was going to build a case against him. But of course, I didn't have a chance before Thesp came in and said everything I was going to say and more.

I'm voting BJ because he was/is my best lead at the moment. His recent posts have given me no good reason to change my vote at the moment.

[Foolster41]

In other words, you don't believe his claim?
Im not saying he's 100% cleared, but I would like it on the record.

And saying "I realize that" is hardly a defence, vitamin.

[JDodge]

In other words, you don't believe his claim?
Im not saying he's 100% cleared, but I would like it on the record.

And saying "I realize that" is hardly a defence, vitamin.

I'm still somewhat undecided. Chicken Boo seems like a possible role. But I'm not sure if its necessarily a pro-town sounding one.

[Thesp]

I was voting SJ because I was going to build a case against him. But of course, I didn't have a chance before Thesp came in and said everything I was going to say and more.

I'm voting BJ because he was/is my best lead at the moment. His recent posts have given me no good reason to change my vote at the moment.

BLAKE JUDGE IS A TERRIBLE LYNCH. INFORMATION ROLES ARE TYPICALLY TERRIBLE LYNCHES EARLY, THIS CASE NOT EXCEPTED. WHY ARE YOU NADERING YOUR VOTE?

(apologies for the caps.)

[JDodge]

You make a very good point. I really need to work on my tendency to speak before I think...

Unvote

[Thesp]

Mod: Can chamber and mole be replaced?

I'll leave it to your wisdom what to do with them, but neither have posted since prodding a week ago. Thanks.

[HurriKaty]

Alright, I'm back in action. Reading of entire thread and posting shall be forthcoming.