Mini 1505: N is for Normal (game over)

[Garmr]

edit by the of post.

[Sir Bastion]

@GuthrieGov Yes I do feel the vote had an air of bussing around it.


@Maxous have you played with thor before?


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[Sir Bastion]

damnit Garmr

[Garmr]

the way of forgot the w

[GuthrieGov]

Bastion I'm sorry, but thats just plain stupid. How can you possibly say you are reading a bussing in the first 5-6 posts of the game?

[Sir Bastion]

cause nothing has contradicted that impression in the 23 posts that have followed

[toolenduso]

Even if it wasn't in the early stages of gameplay, I don't see how it looked like bussing any more than anyone voting for anyone else.

[Sir Bastion]

Even if it wasn't in the early stages of gameplay, I don't see how it looked like bussing any more than anyone voting for anyone else.

so would you have voted axxle?

[toolenduso]

EDBWOP (thanks Garmr for the definition)

I guess what stage of the game it is would matter a little bit.

What I'm saying is, at this stage in the game there's very little logical reasoning a mafia could give to bus their partner. So I think you'd have to see something pretty convincing at this stage in the game to think something is bussing. Otherwise, you could say any post of one person voting for another was bussing.

Unless I'm missing something. Why did you think it looked like bussing, outside of the fact that one voted for the other?

[toolenduso]

Even if it wasn't in the early stages of gameplay, I don't see how it looked like bussing any more than anyone voting for anyone else.

so would you have voted axxle?

No. But unless it's a purely random vote, I don't like to vote this early in the game very much.

[Thor665]

Calling for a speedlynch is

win

.

FTFY
Also, your issue with me is that I'm aggressive...remind me again how that is not a playstyle tell but is instead alignment related because I'm not aggressive as town.
I'll wait.

In other news, you could be sheeping me right now.

and he votes still through I find him suspicious for taking so long to vote and the way his just listing people as town so early in the game.

I find those actions a combination of town and null tells.
What am I missing here, how are they advantageous to scum?

Game Hint: Tool is kinda bleedingly obv. town.
He'll also be super newb for the rest of the game, so try not to forget the first part of the hint.

Guthrie could do with another vote.
Where's ABR? I need to do this thing.

[Thor665]

I'll also accept a speed lynch on Bastion.
I suppose I should clarify that.

[Sir Bastion]

you should

at least its something to do as I wait for more important replies.

meanwhile quick question to you. Have you ever played with Maxous before?

[Thor665]

I'll bother to explain why I find you scummy the instant you actually manage to justify the bussing question Tool fielded you instead of desperately trying to avoid answering it by trying to get into a side debate with me.
Hint: I also may have just explained my reasoning anyway...if you can read between the mountain of subtlety there, so you should answer Tool's question now regardless.

To the best of my awareness I have never played with Maxous before.
That said, I do have a habit of not remembering people if they were only in one game with me, because I've sorta played a lot of games.
But, no, I don't think I have.

[Thor665]

And, since it excites you, here are the people I've played with before;

redFF
ICEninja
Sir Bastion
Slandaar
Albert B. Rampage
Axxle (?) ...I think, though I might be mixing him up with Axxlerod or something.

[Sir Bastion]

I'll bother to explain why I find you scummy the instant you actually manage to justify the bussing question Tool fielded you instead of desperately trying to avoid answering it by trying to get into a side debate with me.
Hint: I also may have just explained my reasoning anyway...if you can read between the mountain of subtlety there, so you should answer Tool's question now regardless.

I guess its rather pointless not to answer tool's question, if you've put your weight behind it. Yes I did sidetrack it though not originally intentional he did a EBWOP post after I responded initially and on further thought I decided not to return to the point until other voices had chimed in.

What I'm saying is, at this stage in the game there's very little logical reasoning a mafia could give to bus their partner. So I think you'd have to see something pretty convincing at this stage in the game to think something is bussing. Otherwise, you could say any post of one person voting for another was bussing.

Actually I wouldnt call it a scumtell but the number of times I have found that scum in games I've played have directly interacted with each other during the RVS of a game is higher then the number of times they havnt, usually an RVS vote or mocking each other.

Regardless of the little logic. But bussing early partner wagons is actually somewhat logical on the first day as they more often tend to be the ones that fall apart the easiest. I know this from personal experience because I have more often then not been the first proper wagon for almost every game I've played and those wagons have never led to a lynch. Now with the exception of one of them I was always town in those wagons (Thor may remember the one I was scum cause he ended up lynched instead of me, though that game is not a good comparison).

Unless I'm missing something. Why did you think it looked like bussing, outside of the fact that one voted for the other?

The reason for me dropping the very early bus comment was because I thought Guthrie's post was very short and direct. almost read like an indirect scolding. Nothing more to it, deep as a puddle. There as much weight on such a notion as anything else so far this game.

[ICEninja]

Hello everybody!

Some things I want to say:

No lying about your role.

This. If you're a VT and you claim power role I will pretty much hate you.

Also note this game has one of my favorite rulesets, being pretty intense about activity. Please do commit to posting regularly, as day lengths aren't super long and nights are quick. My activity level tends to be pretty high.

I really like how this game has advanced so far. I agree with Thor's assessment that Axxle was scum hunting and Guthrie made a bad push against it.

Bastion's point of busing is wrong. If he used the word distancing, he's absolutely right. However, to say that two players are distancing he'd have to have a scum read on BOTH of them, or be looking back at interactions between a living player and a confirmed dead scum. I don't like this allegation one bit.

Vote: Sir Bastion

. Ironically, I'd be OK voting for Guthrie as well, whom Bastion is voting for, but my scum reads on them are independent of each other.

[Sir Bastion]

Bastion's point of busing is wrong. If he used the word distancing,

noted and when this is all over I look back and laugh.

However, to say that two players are distancing he'd have to have a scum read on BOTH of them, or be looking back at interactions between a living player and a confirmed dead scum.[.quote]

assuming I dont?

[zakk]

Vote: Garmr

Not sure I like the tone of the double post. It seems like he's trying to minimize the impact of being third on the rvs wagon.

Best post of the game so far.

Vote: Garmr

I have to say that reaching isn't always scummy especially in the rvs stage of the game. If it helps us break out rvs then it can be good. The hard part is distinguishing between scummy reaching which scum are forced to do no matter what or town reaching like a protown player who plays from gut or a cop with a guilty who doesn't want to admit his a cop and the player who has a guilty has no real case on him at the moment. (Stole these examples from elsewhere )

Also if you think about it everyone has to reach to get out of the rvs stage. This is my thought on reaching anyway.

You seem a little overly verbose and proper all of a sudden (in direct contrast to your posts #8 and #9) and your theorizing about reaching and RVS seem to be more geared towards defusing a potential early wagon on you than actually helping other people understand anything you were actually talking about.

I like this Axxle guy, he doesn't waste any time and he knows what he's doing.

If I had to pick a second scum at this point, it would be toolenduso. Why is he apologizing for not being here earlier?

>first post was on page 1
>nobody had mentioned him yet
>he makes an excuse for being late
>he subconsciously feels guilty
>because he is scum

Also if toolenduso has been here since 2007 I would very, very much expect him to at least have an inkling of what EDBWOP means. Pretending to be clueless only adds to the suspicion I have of him.

What do the rest of y'all think? Specifically Thor and Albert and Axxle.

[Garmr]

^This made me lol

First 8 and 9 are rvs that's when people muck around second. Two defusing a early wagon what???

Also your points on Tool are fluff lol the only one I could consider not fluff is the one about pretending to be clueless and that's not really to strong of a sign.

[Sir Bastion]

Dates shouldn't be used to judge a players experience, the number of games they've played should.

Playing clueless is very short term thinking for a scum player.

[Macros]

If not knowing what all these acronyms mean is a lynchable offence I'm pretty much fucked. Took me quite some time to figure out RVS. Please excuse any odd wording, sometime I miss when my phone AutoCorrects.

Plenty of shit flinging already, which I love, I find some games degenerate into a total random voting bullshit fest on day one, which only helps the scumbags.

Zakks suspicion on Tool based on not knowing what ebwop meant really caught my eye, possibly because I had no idea what it meant, but also it seems like amassive reach on a player who hasn't posted overly much at all. Off the back of a half reasoned vote on Gamr it seems a bit nonsensical.and almost undermines credibility of his original vote. So now the quandry, to vote axxle on this flimsy feeling or look further at our other options (bastion, gamr, gg and thor(who wants a speed lunch day one??))

[Macros]

Oops,

vote axxle

for now, its day one early doors but I like to have it somewhere. Have to check into work but will be active most of the day and intend to read more in depth at tea time.

[Macros]

Good god my head is ul my ass at the minute

unvote

meant to vote for zakk, I'll just keep it off altogether, I cant seem to trust my brain to fingers communication at the minute.

[Sir Bastion]

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