Mini 1501: We're On A Boat! (END?! results inside)

[ChannelDelibird]

Skrew, Kaze, CTD all town. Not touching any of those today. Also tentatively putting notscience into the town pile, though this attempted meta shift is one of those where the only person to feel any benefit is possibly notscience. You're actually playing super annoyingly and I'd rather you weren't trying to put anything on for the sake of it. I shan't mention it again, though; it's your life.

From a read of the game that admittedly got skimmier the closer that I got to the end, I'm back on thinking that Brian is scum - this in particular made me uncomfortable, where it seems like Brian is asking for unearned towncred. I also think his ffery and Plum townreads in the same post are the kind of lazy townread on confident/verbose/experienced players that scum like to make rather than seriously question them. I, for example, have no particular reason to see either of them as anything more than null at the moment.

I had a Garmr post (303) written down as scummy on my readthrough but, in preparing to post it up now, I'm not sure that I do anymore. I will reread Garmr shortly to get a clearer idea.

VOTE: Brian Skies in case I'm not already (it's been a while). I recall Brian asking me why I'd earlier come around on him being more likely to be town and I will explain that next.

[ChannelDelibird]

@CDB: Why did you go from thinking I was scum claiming miller to town claiming miller?

What I find interesting here is that you're assuming I thought you were scum claiming miller to begin with. As should be apparent from posts like #24 and #29, I feel it's important to put pressure on early, so when you claimed miller in the way you did I felt you should get a grilling about it. I did find the wording highlighted here to be weird but wording tells have tripped me up in the past so I wanted a clearer picture of your responses before I would outright commit to a read.

I got town vibes from the expectance of death that you showed over the next couple of pages, starting with this but this has ended up looking like more of a reason not to contribute since I mentioned having a townread. I also found ffery's 36 a good reason to back off early on.

[ChannelDelibird]

I also kinda feel like, having read his catchup post, Slaxx should be voting Brian ahead of Spyrex.

[SleepyKrew]

Do you have any scumreads besides the claimed Miller that is going to die anyway?
Thoughts on the attempted Maestro wagons?
Thoughts on the leading wagon (SpyreX)?

[SleepyKrew]

Or maybe it's still the Kaze wagon.
I'll take thoughts on that too.

[ChannelDelibird]

Do you have any scumreads besides the claimed Miller that is going to die anyway?

Still working on it - as I said, I need to give Garmr another look. I had a general scumread from my readthrough that I was going to highlight with a particular post of which I'm now not sure; I want to verify that read before I properly commit to it. Otherwise, no other particular scumreads jumped out at me from reading back.

Thoughts on the attempted Maestro wagons?

It helped show me that Kaze is town, which is nice, though I never would have joined it myself. I had Maestro down as firmly null while he was here; Empire seems promising so far.

Thoughts on the leading wagon (SpyreX)?

Chewing on it. This is either my first time playing with him or my first time in a long, long time. Empire's post was well argued but I saw enough in Spyrex's response not to jump on it yet. By reputation, I don't want us to mislynch Spyrex on Day 1 if we can avoid it so I'm probably more likely to see reasons to keep him alive than I am to lynch him, I suppose.

[fferyllt]

Chewing on it. This is either my first time playing with him or my first time in a long, long time. Empire's post was well argued but I saw enough in Spyrex's response not to jump on it yet. By reputation, I don't want us to mislynch Spyrex on Day 1 if we can avoid it so I'm probably more likely to see reasons to keep him alive than I am to lynch him, I suppose.

Could you expand on this? What is his reputation? Does he get mislynched early with some frequency?

[ChannelDelibird]

Chewing on it. This is either my first time playing with him or my first time in a long, long time. Empire's post was well argued but I saw enough in Spyrex's response not to jump on it yet. By reputation, I don't want us to mislynch Spyrex on Day 1 if we can avoid it so I'm probably more likely to see reasons to keep him alive than I am to lynch him, I suppose.

Could you expand on this? What is his reputation? Does he get mislynched early with some frequency?

I don't know how often Spyrex gets mislynched but AFAIK he has a reputation of being an excellent scumhunter. I just read this post in MD which reinforced that feeling in a timely manner.

[fferyllt]

Chewing on it. This is either my first time playing with him or my first time in a long, long time. Empire's post was well argued but I saw enough in Spyrex's response not to jump on it yet. By reputation, I don't want us to mislynch Spyrex on Day 1 if we can avoid it so I'm probably more likely to see reasons to keep him alive than I am to lynch him, I suppose.

Could you expand on this? What is his reputation? Does he get mislynched early with some frequency?

I don't know how often Spyrex gets mislynched but AFAIK he has a reputation of being an excellent scumhunter. I just read this post in MD which reinforced that feeling in a timely manner.

Well then.

UNVOTE

[SleepyKrew]

Or maybe it's still the Kaze wagon.
I'll take thoughts on that too.

[ChannelDelibird]

Kaze is town.

Also, he clung onto the Maestro vote waaaay longer than I would have expected him to as scum. Given your relentless hounding him for it, I think Kazescum would have buckled in some way, be it moving to you or someone else. I got a really strong townread for his digging his heels in there. I like his confidence and I don't think he'd feel that comfortable with that confidence as scum.

[SleepyKrew]

But he did change it
For no good reason

[ChannelDelibird]

whoa wtf how did i miss the post where he unvoted

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I'll get back to you on this

[Garmr]

Maestro posting to join a new game his abandoned this one hasn't he. ;/

[SleepyKrew]

Empire = Maestro

[Garmr]

I know but he could of said a sorry or something.

[SleepyKrew]

Yeah sorry I'll say pitoli can replace me - I don't have time for this right now on top of tons of other stuff going on

[fferyllt]

I can see Fferyl and Kaze's trajectory of believing my claim. Spyrex's is kind of weird because he's doing it based on speculation, which is mostly all he's done. I'm not liking CDB because he came out swinging trying to get me lynched then all of a sudden changed his position without explaining why. So, CDB is sketchy to me. I don't remember if anyone else is townreading me.As for buddying me, I don't know why they would want to buddy me of all people. If anyone is doing it, I'd probably choose Spyrex or CDB out of the bunch.

What is my trajectory on your claim? Kaze's too if you wish.

[SpyreX]

Ahhh Kuribo <3. Yea, this isn't my first ride on the pony by any stretch. I don't get lynched much because lynching me normally requires some serious commitment by scum, and I try to make them pay for it. Or, so it was in the before times.

@CDB:

Kaze's post you referenced is missing the forest for the trees:

Spoiler: quotewallz

VOTE: Brian Skies

Wagons, biznitch.

Not sure how to feel about miller claim.

Seen it legit before; seen it used as a scum gambit before.

Yup.

Miller claims are absolutely null and wifom.

The fuck they are.

You express yourself rather unsure about the miller claim, but yet are so adamant about them not being null tells in your next post. Then surely you have more of an opinion on the miller claim besides 'I dunno,' especially with the potential of the growing wagon.

Idk about HIS miller claim. But miller claims in general are not null. Apples and oranges.

I'm pretty alright with the aeronaut vote right meow

Unvote

VOTE: Aeronaut

A couple key pieces in this little puzzle:

1.) He voted Brian before the claim in that early flashwagon.
2.) He hedges his bet on the miller claim and blindly and blatantly as I've seen in forever. There is no committal to anything there and how you get town out of that I dont know.
3.) He then jumps onto the Aero wagon.

What DOESNT happen there in that jump is any kind of actual commitment on Brian. That door is left as open as possible while not actually giving even an inkling of rationale for the switch.

There is no commitment to anything except wagon leaping.

[Garmr]

Then I must say sorry to maestro then

[Empire]

@mod - I will be V/LA until Sunday the 6th as I've got a lot of stuff going on IRL to deal with until then. I'll try to post in the meantime when I can. Apologies for the inconvenience.

[notscience]

So, reading up

Ffery- town
SK- town (both of these are the ones actively trying to get conversation going)
Spyrex- Calls me town, no reasoning. I feel like "oh if he's town he's a deadly scumhunter" is a bad reason to keep someone alive js.

VOTE: spyrex

Kaze- finding reasons to bitch about me being difficult to read, but I can't read him for shit.
CDB- Still town, and to answer your question- I'm getting serious in latter parts of the game whereas before I just trolled all game.
Empire- Leaning scum. I really hated the read on me for 2 reasons. 1) That was a game that doesn't even define my town play, just look at all the people IN SAID GAME saying it wasn't. 2) I'm strong town for all of like 10 posts and a tell that's easily fakeable?
Garmr- Town but still interested in that PL.
CTD- Town due to limited meta we have together and him lining up decently with it (Knight-errant, both of us were town)
Plum- Probsscum. Why? "Man notscience is so scummy" and doesn't link to any reasonings why I was scum, but it's fine because he swapped his vote at the end of the post so it's un-VCA'able!

Anyone not mentioned is null

[SpyreX]

What are you playing at? You know I have reasons for my read on you and I dont get being coy about it here at all.

ENTER SHOCKING REVELATION HERE

[notscience]

Nope.jpg.

They don't fly for me.

[pitoli]

Don't mind me.