NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Nachomamma8]

oh fucking hell nevermind

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho?

this was the first game where i actually had to read cephrir, and didn't have a good baseline of his play until later

[Nachomamma8]

If there's a tie, the player who reached that number first is lynched, unless one of the players had more votes than that recently. This exception means in the case of descending votes, the player who reached that number last will be lynched.

[Nachomamma8]

peregrine, if you get online soon, please vote bulbazak.
ffery, vote bulbazak now.

[Nachomamma8]

or, we can flashwagon penguin.

[Nachomamma8]

Penguin, why are you lynching me when Bulbazak is going to block and kill you during the night?

[PeregrineV]

peregrine, if you get online soon, please vote bulbazak.
ffery, vote bulbazak now.

or, we can flashwagon penguin.

Is Bulb blue or red?

Same for penguin, is he blue or red?

[ffullisade]

oh fucking hell nevermind

What was this about?

Nacho?

this was the first game where i actually had to read cephrir, and didn't have a good baseline of his play until later

You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?

[Nachomamma8]

Bulb is red. Penguin is blue. Why the fuck do you think penguin voted me 2 hours before deadline after she just got done calling me town?

[Nachomamma8]

You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?

Not nearly as effectively. Especially in a game where I'm letting town wreck themselves and have no real need to care about what's going on.

[Nachomamma8]

Yup. Your read changes in particular that game were opportunistic as hell, whereas here you end up waffling, you express being unsure a LOT more in thread, everything feels more natural here.

Cephrir had a bit of a "scummy" townstyle and a "townie" scumstyle. His earlier playstyle seemed more like LoL than Amnesiac Mafia, but I ended up amending that read sometime later. You know I have no problem calling scumbuddies town; why do you think I'd have a problem calling Cephrir town here?

[ffullisade]

You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?

Not nearly as effectively. Especially in a game where I'm letting town wreck themselves and have no real need to care about what's going on.

I don't have nearly as much practice constructing baselines from games where I was scum due to being a statistical anomaly. But, I find knowing the player's alignment while I'm seeing their interactions is revealing in ways that cold meta never seems to match.

[ffullisade]

Penguin, explain your switch.

[ffullisade]

Vote bulba

It's going to take more than Penguin's gut to make sense of such a late switch on such flimsy reasoning.

[Nachomamma8]

peregrine get your ass in here please

[Nachomamma8]

You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?

Not nearly as effectively. Especially in a game where I'm letting town wreck themselves and have no real need to care about what's going on.

I don't have nearly as much practice constructing baselines from games where I was scum due to being a statistical anomaly. But, I find knowing the player's alignment while I'm seeing their interactions is revealing in ways that cold meta never seems to match.

It's good to construct a decent baseline on scum when you are partners with them and actively constructing a baseline.
It's not good to construct a decent baseline on town unless you are actively constructing a baseline on them, and I don't bother constructing baselines on people/don't care about meta too much unless I've played multiple times with them.

[PeregrineV]

peregrine get your ass in here please

I'm here.

[Bulbazak]

or, we can flashwagon penguin.

Why would we flash wagon Penguin? She's blue scum, not red. This is just desperate scum flailing, isn't it?

Penguin, why are you lynching me when Bulbazak is going to block and kill you during the night?

Yep, definitely desperate scum flailing.

Bulb is red. Penguin is blue. Why the fuck do you think penguin voted me 2 hours before deadline after she just got done calling me town?

What does blue scum changing their vote to you have to do with you being town? If anything, it shows that Penguin-scum actually thinks you're red scum and that lynching you will make her wincon easier.

You don't construct baselines from what you learn about players when you're scum?

Not nearly as effectively. Especially in a game where I'm letting town wreck themselves and have no real need to care about what's going on.

Actually, I learn a lot about how somebody plays by actually being scum with them. For example, I was scum with GiF in A New Matrix, and I actually learned what GiF looks like as scum, and by extension, what he looks like as town. It's useful, because I can then use that knowledge to identify his alignment in other games. As town, you should have been able to identify characteristics of Cephrir's scum game based on your experience with him as scum. Why didn't you?

Vote bulba

It's going to take more than Penguin's gut to make sense of such a late switch on such flimsy reasoning.

So your reason for voting me is because Penguin-scum unvoted me, even though she has just as much of a reason to find and vote red scum as we do? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[mastin2]

Nachomamma8 is at L-1!
Bulbazak is at L-1!

One-Hundred-Seventy-Fifth Votecount

:

(Thirteenth Votecount of Day Seven,

AKA, the "Deadline imminent" votecount.

)

Nachomamma8 - 3 (Bulbazak, PeregrineV, penguin_alien)

Bulbazak - 3 (MS Marangal, Nachomamma8, ffullisade)

All votes are in play.

With

6

alive, it's

4

to lynch.

Day Seven's deadline is Monday, September 30th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-30 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Bulbazak - 3 (

penguin_alien

, MS Marangal, Nachomamma8,

ffullisade

)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Bulbazak, PeregrineV,

penguin_alien(2)

)

Not Voting - 0 (

ffullisade

,

penguin_alien(1)

)

Last votecount was page 251, post 6250.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D7

Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty->penguin_alien->Bulbazak
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: Nachomamma8
penguin_alien: Bulbazak->Unvote->Nachomamma8
MS Marangal: Nachomamma8->Unvote->Bulbazak
ffullisade: Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Bulbazak

Spoiler: Vote History D7

On Mon, Sep 9/09/13 @ 10:43p,

ffullisade

Votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 5996.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 00:24a,

ffullisade

Unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 6005.
On Wed, Sep 9/11/13 @ 03:27p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 6025.
On Mon, Sep 9/16/13 @ 02:24p,

ffullisade

Votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 6042.
On Tue, Sep 9/17/13 @ 00:18a,

ffullisade

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 6068.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 02:22a,

Nachomamma8

votes

penguin_alien

in post 6091.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 10:11a,

ffullisade

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 6093.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 05:41p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 6105.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 08:06p,

MS Marangal

Votes

Nachomamma8

in post 6120.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 08:10p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 6122.
On Wed, Sep 9/18/13 @ 08:17p,

penguin_alien

Votes

Bulbazak

in post 6123.
On Thu, Sep 9/19/13 @ 11:37p,

MS Marangal

Unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 6153.
On Sun, Sep 9/22/13 @ 07:59a,

MS Marangal

Votes

Bulbazak

in post 6183.
On Thu, Sep 9/26/13 @ 12:00p,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 6217.
On Fri, Sep 9/27/13 @ 00:03a,

Nachomamma8

votes

Bulbazak

in post 6239.
On Sun, Sep 9/29/13 @ 11:42p,

penguin_alien

Unvotes

Bulbazak

in post 6266.
On Mon, Sep 9/30/13 @ 10:47a,

penguin_alien

Votes

Nachomamma8

in post 6273.
On Mon, Sep 9/30/13 @ 11:23a,

ffullisade

votes

Bulbazak

in post 6288.

[ffullisade]

So your reason for voting me is because Penguin-scum unvoted me, even though she has just as much of a reason to find and vote red scum as we do? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

If she's blue she has as much reason, yes. Reason and accuracy don't necessarily correlate.

I still think you are red scum. I still think she is blue.

[Bulbazak]

Cases/reasons would be nice. After all, this might be your last opportunity for them. Deadline is in one and a half hours.

[Nachomamma8]

Mastin, who would get lynched if deadline passes now?

[Nachomamma8]

Bulbazak, why do you think penguin changed her vote?

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin, who would get lynched if deadline passes now?

If day were to end right now, Nachomamma8 would be lynched.

[Nachomamma8]

and I actually learned what GiF looks like as scum, and by extension, what he looks like as town.

This doesn't always work, sorry.