LoL eSports Discussion

[mykonian]

idk quadz. I think you watch tournaments of any "sport" for the excitement, perhaps the cool way of playing and the skill of the players. If those aren't there, what's the point? You can just as well watch your friends have fun then, you don't have to watch total strangers.

I missed most of those, did check out the omg-ld game, but even that was a bit meh. The yorick was cool. The fnatic mineski game was rather unwatchable and for most part indeed I wouldn't watch it.

And I guess they can do whatever they want, and fine if they want to troll, I just won't watch it. It just becomes a bit silly/stupid when there is money on the line.

[TCold]

I dunno, to me once you get to the point where all of the people moving has been determined without a doubt, why not fuck around and have some fun? Nobody is giving Fnatic and Mineski shit for the Zilean / Sivir game for doing the same thing. I was expecting the entirety of Group A yesterday to be trollgames, and was actually fairly disappointed when they weren't.

Granted, I didn't know until this morning that they gave prize money even to the teams that didn't qualify for quarterfinals, but I think that's dumb as rocks in and of itself. Don't they all already get money for winning whatever they won to get into the group stage anyway?

It's a season final. Of course all teams get some money out of it. It's an aditional reward. Better you do, more money you get. You wouldn't say the same for like NBA teams, or NHL or european champions league.

"They got into playoffs by winning their division or got into the champions league by winning their home league and got money for it. They don't need extra for losing in the first round."

[Tamuz]

I could easily imagine a self-coached U21 squad in the same situation pulling something similar(putting a defender up front, having a striker as keeper, etc.). That doesn't excuse it, but at the same time it's hard for me to get mad about something like this with few consequences for either team (it would have been totally different if some other team needed GG to lose or something) doing something they think might be fun.

The majority of the Sounder's youth players are playing in different positions under Sigi (the winningest MLS coach) than they played in college/High-school/Select.

I think this is just people looking for something to bitch at TSM about. Nobody bitched that Krepo and Froggen swapped or Fnatic Support and Fnatic top.

[pickemgenius]

I think this is just people looking for something to bitch at TSM about.

bingo

[dramonic]

IMO what TSM did was moronic, but not inherently wrong. They are only screwing themselves over, nbd

[Jarvis]

Fuck yeah EU teams. I fully expect all four group stage qualifiers to make the semis.

[Nexus]

Kinda sad that Cloud9 and Fnatic are facing off immediately. I want Fnatic to win though.

[Tamuz]

IMO what TSM did was moronic, but not inherently wrong. They are only screwing themselves over, nbd

And what Mineski did was valiant, right?

This current complaint is the worst.

[quadz08]

It's a season final. Of course all teams get some money out of it. It's an aditional reward. Better you do, more money you get. You wouldn't say the same for like NBA teams, or NHL or european champions league.

uhhhh... do professional sport teams get extra money just for making the playoffs? If they do, I was not aware. And besides that, it's still not a proper comparison, with the exception of something like Champions League (where the winners won another tournament or league, and thus got some prize money from that AND it qualified them for the tournament in question).

[TCold]

Dunno about the playoffs. But compare leagues to lcs and the champions league to worlds. You get money for your league placement, you qualify for the champions league. You play in CL and get money even if you lose all your games in the group stage.

[zoraster]

i mean, to be fair, $3,000 per person isn't going to mean retirement for anyone even if it did cost them 15k.

[Tamuz]

Less after taxes.

I wonder if Riot helps them with a 401k

[zoraster]

i'm pretty sure they can't.

[Tamuz]

How so? ( I have 0 sense of fiscal law)

And that basically means they can't shelter any of their earnings... which is rough.

[xRECKONERx]

Prizes aren't the only way they make money, though. They also pay the LCS teams a salary.

[Tamuz]

And?

They still have to declare prize winnings + salary + stream + sponsorship. If none of the sources give them a means to put away money before taxes they're gonna be in a nasty bracket, even if they're all HoHs.

Then again the LCS salary is so low, lol

[zoraster]

you can have a 401k without an employer, but unless they're actual employees of riot, they'll be doing it on their own.

and given the amount of money they're making, they're not exactly in a high bracket.

[KageLord]

It's probably enough money in all that, even after taxes, to make a decent living though, which is good enough for me.

[JDodge]

people should less be blaming tsm for goofing off and more blaming riot for a fucking awful group stage format which lead to 9 out of 11 games on the last day basically not mattering due to either one-sided matchups or clinched positions

[Tamuz]

you can have a 401k without an employer, but unless they're actual employees of riot, they'll be doing it on their own.

and given the amount of money they're making, they're not exactly in a high bracket.

We can't really know with the streaming and sponsorship revenues, but from what I've seen some will certainly see 25% federal, which most of them could have opportunity to hide out of. As contractors they're kinda rough up, isn't there also some extreme thing California does with competition earnings?

[JDodge]

also people whining about "the fans the fans the fans": remember that the vast majority of the NA audience consists of TSM fans, who will likely have enjoyed this sort of thing

please weep for the color caster because trying to remain professional and analyze a game where one or both teams is obviously just fu-screwing with you is torturous - you basically have to capitulate to the way the game is going and mostly let your pbp carry the weight

[quadz08]

I agree with JDodge

[Tamuz]

The casters didn't mention TRM once, they were terrible considering its TSM and he's the only pro Teemo player.

[JDodge]

The casters didn't mention TRM once, they were terrible considering its TSM and he's the only pro Teemo player.

i could speak for days about the casting for worlds (the things theyve done right and the things theyve done wrong; the main thing i saw on the done wrong front was the complete oversight of how absolutely massive genja's mistake in the 2nd gambit vs ozone game of groups was), but theres actually no reason to mention that except to fill time as its irrelevant information

[Tamuz]

Its a way to validly fill colour time without giving everything over to the PbP instead of capitulating.