Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[penguin_alien]

It's not enough for me to want Mantis lynched today, but I'm not shaking the suspicion there. Especially with the whole disingenuous, "PA is scum, why are people voting town-serra?" If you're town thinking I'm scum, make a case, let's talk.

pretty much the suspicion has carried forward from earlier in the thread, when you were suspecting wisdom. and made a few posts that casted suspicion on his character claim. Wisdom made mention as well, that as town, you'd likely change your mind about him, rather than continuing on with the suspicion.
also, i noticed that you and desp really didn't have a whole lot of interaction... except for right at the beginning, there was a bit of back and forth, and with myself thinking desp was scum, it looked like it was an attempt at distancing on both your parts.

I'm still not sure why Wisdom was so certain that I should have read him as town. The game he cited where I did give a town read on him was a vastly different set of circumstances. And from the flavor we knew at that point, if you've seen any Castle whatsoever, Castle and his daughter being neighbors without being conf-town is weird--they have a really tight bond. If it was Castle and his mother I could see it, since she pushes his buttons sometimes, but I'd have expected them to be masons over neighbors. I do think the flavor since then has pointed less to things being so pat, but I was working off what I knew then from havingfitz's SK flip. Which wasn't much.

Yeah, Desperado didn't do much I thought was super telling one way or the other until he hammered Huntress and claimed to have tracked her to a living player.

I will not vote Sweet Pertayter--no way are they a GF since, now that we know Nat was being truthful, the SK was apparently investigation-immune. With a likely three-man Mafia team, I don't see two of four scum being immune to the strongest town PR around. waynegg just screams town. I

think

only one of {serra, FakeGod} is scum. That leaves one of {Mantis, Bert} as scum. I don't want to lynch out of the latter set today anyways, and if one of the first set flipped scum, it could still be scum bussing.. Right now I'm leaning serra, but that somewhat depends on what FakeGod comes back with.

why do you not think that serra and fakegod could be scum together?

Answer:

But then FakeGod's 'shaken' reaction at Nat being NK'd is just so phony, and serra calls him out on it promptly. Both scummy, but I don't see them as very likely scum together.

To elaborate, it read very naturally, not like scum playing out rehearsed lines. While I'm leaning toward lynching in the {serra, FG} group today, I wouldn't necessarily think that one flipping town makes the other scum; I could just be way off.

Independently, I'm seeing possible scum-FG; FG keeps saying he's confused, like here:

bah, I'm confused.

Scum effectively gave town a confirmed town by shooting Nati.

Why the hell would they do that when they have a roleblocker?

It doesn't make any sense.

pedit: I'm not voting anyone until I rethink this through, Wayne.

While trying to draw us into NK speculation...on why scum would kill a claimed PR. There are possibilities, but I don't think any of them really benefit town in discussing them. If I'm wrong, do point out how it helps, but I don't see it.

waynegg, I don't feel like looking up the theory behind the 100/200 point lynches--how do you determine which are 200 point and which are 100 point? I get the rest of it.

[serrapaladin]

How is tater town again? Boy, do I not get your progressions... Didn't you think she was a GF?

serra.... why are you asking that, when you've clearly said that tater is conftown several times. how do you forget that? >.>

Did you not read the follow-ups? Of course I know why tater is town, I was just wondering what changed wayne's mind.

Can you guys at least go for FG when I flip town?

Bert, have you claimed a character yet?

If there's 3 scum, the last is Bert/peng, leaning Bert. I really hope macmollie didn't fake ragequit, but I would still say mantis/tater/wayne town is pretty likely.

[Malakittens]

4.03

with seven alive it will take four to lynch.

*waynegg -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod - Serrapaladin [1]
*Mantisdreamz - waynegg [1]
*Serrapaladin - Sweet Pertayter, bert, fakeGod [3] [L-1]
*Bert -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting [2]: penguin_alien, Mantisdreamz

Chapter 3 Ends..

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-09-24 13:20:00)

[Sweet Pertayter]

Wayne, Mantis and P_A are almost definitely not scum.
Serra is the towniest out of him, Bert and FG.
I'd rather go for FG now and lynch Bert tomorrow, because I still have more of a chance of being wrong about Bert.
The reason I'm thinking Bert though is both a mix of PoE and the fact that Bert has basically stopped being town within the last couple of days and his play today seems entirely different from his play at the beginning of the game.

VOTE: FakeGod
~Om

[Bert]

I hate this

Serra's going after me, I'm soooo surprised

I playing differently because I got blasted by mollie for being irritable and spammy

And I was comfortable around Wisdom

Mara I don't know what else I can do

[Bert]

And I made mollie rage quit

You know it's true

[Bert]

Caught up

I'm lanie parish

[Bert]

Serra stop telling us "go after X after I flip town"

That's not gonna fly

Fake god you had me as town early tody, now I'm on ur scum list lol

U and Serra's cross vote looks like bussing tbh

Good friggin job, it looks sooooo obvious LOL

[serrapaladin]

Let's make it easier and call it a 1v1 then?

Why didn't you claim character when everyone else did?

[Bert]

I'm not gonna claim unless everyone agrees to it

Don't see the harm now, scumbag

Especially since Imight be lunched soon

You think I'm just gonna listen to desp and Peng when they suddenly claim characters

You actually think that I'm that stupid???

I don't claim for no reason ?

[Bert]

I just want you to die, you drew scum

There's no way I see you flipping town

You should just concede tbh

[Bert]

Im the worst player remaining and you're taking advantage of it by 1v1ing

Won't back down

Won't back down

Yeah

Yeah

Die scum!

[waynegg]

waynegg, I don't feel like looking up the theory behind the 100/200 point lynches--how do you determine which are 200 point and which are 100 point? I get the rest of it.

It's a short read, but ok. Each wagon is worth 100 pts per scum expected to be on said wagon. Expecting one scum would make it worth 100 points, three scum 300 pts. After eliminating flipped and known players, the points are divided equally among the unknown living players equally.

Wayne, Mantis and P_A are almost definitely not scum.
Serra is the towniest out of him, Bert and FG.
I'd rather go for FG now and lynch Bert tomorrow, because I still have more of a chance of being wrong about Bert.
The reason I'm thinking Bert though is both a mix of PoE and the fact that Bert has basically stopped being town within the last couple of days and his play today seems entirely different from his play at the beginning of the game.

VOTE: FakeGod
~Om

And I'll work with you. I obviously think FG is a fine vote. My faith in Mantis is just lower because looking back over everything and applying as many filters as possible it makes sense for her to be scum.

VOTE: FakeGod

[Bert]

I think the remaining scum are Bert & Serra.

I'm aware that my reads have been poor this game, but I know that I'm town.

Like, you seriously just killed my read on you.

"My reads have been poor, but I know i'm town" is the WORST DEFENSE ever

Oh and 78 makes Bert town, so I think everyone can safely get off that suspicion. Agree?

I thought this was FakeGod during my re-read, so FG didn't actually flip flop on me. He has had me as NULL ALL GAME LONG

He didn't even BOTHER to get a read on me just because I "posted too many GIFs"

And his wagon analysis thing turned out to be a boatload of NOTHING

You're also putting me with your scumbuddy so you can get me mislynched eventually

If you all (SERRA I'm looking at you) think I'm stupid, then you're in for a rude awakening

And you're going down, and I will do everything in my own power to get Serra-scum DEAD

from scum limb to scum limb, I will tear him apart

Just you wait

This is for trying to mislynch me

Vote: FakeGod

hahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Serra I will not let you push me around in this game

FakeGod you can just die

do you know how frustrating it is to have to go against people who are playing scum well,

Serra always escapes lynches, and you killed Wisdom too because he had you and then started doubting his read before it came back, and then he died

LOL

Spoiler:

You really think you can just say I'm town for the game, then go floppy floppy because I'm incensed that Wisdmo died, and then I go from "probably town" to "probably overall town, but pinging my scumdar a bit" to "probably scum" in 1 day. ONE DAY

NO. That is not a natural progression, busser... go fish

I was NICE and actually put my GIFs in a spoiler. <3

Love, Bert

[Bert]

EBWOP: Serra: OH, and I tried reaching out to you D2 but nooooooooooo

you had to be all busy and shit, and you don't actually TRY TO WORK with us well until today, when you challenge me to a 1v1

YEAH no.

FG your Nat-cop tunnel was FAKE all around, LOL

[FakeGod]

That's the lynch.

I am VT.

I have not lied once in this game, and all of my reads were genuine.

Good luck, town.

[FakeGod]

No, Bert. I very rarely flip flop on people.

You were null entire game, until POE said otherwise.

I think it's Serra & Bert scum team.

I guessing potato's getting shot tonight.

That means town's best hope in winning this is... Wayne.

[FakeGod]

Well, I supposed it could be worse.

Wayne, you gotta win it for me, k?

I still can't believe nati flipped cop.

I guess I'm in for a world of pain when I enter the dead QT.

[waynegg]

Trying. What are your reads on your way out?

[FakeGod]

My reads on a gradient:

Town

FakeGod
Potato
Wayne
Mantis
P_A
Bert
Serra

Scum

I think the remaining scum are

Bert & Serra

.

Nothing changed.

[serrapaladin]

You could have not outed the cop? :/ Even if your read on him is scum, it's not worth taking the game into your own hands over.

I'm sure people will just wifom this down, but considering I had pegged Nati as a PR D1, why would I not block or kill him N1? Peng and Bert obviously didn't figure it out, which explains why he survived N1.

I guess we can only hope mala only put 2 scum in the game? Bert is scum though, particularly with the hammer, and I'm guessing wisdom was right about peng, too.

[FakeGod]

It wasn't much of a out, Serra.

Most of the town already saw the softclaim, and I was sure scum already saw it as well.

[FakeGod]

I guess we can only hope mala only put 2 scum in the game? Bert is scum though, particularly with the hammer, and I'm guessing wisdom was right about peng, too.

No. Town needs to operate on the basis that they are in LyLo tomorrow.

[FakeGod]

Desp wouldn't have gambited his life away if there are only two scum in the scum team.

[serrapaladin]

Well yes, but you would have us lynch me, which would mean we lose, so my only hope is the game only having 2 scum.

If he was so obvious, why did scum not kill Nati N1?

Do you actually think Bert and I make sense as a team?