Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[waynegg]

Tater is conftown because there's no godfather. Scum wouldn't have a roleblocker AND a godfather.

I don't like this though. GF is a passive role and scum RB relies on luck or claims. It's perfectly logical to have both in the same game. The

way

you say that GF isn't in this game makes me trust that call and raises my eyebrows on you at the same time...

[Malakittens]

4.01

with seven alive it will take four to lynch.

*waynegg -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod - waynegg, Serrapaladin [2]
*Mantisdreamz -
*Serrapaladin - Sweet Pertayter, bert [2]
*Bert -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting [3]: penguin_alien, fakeGod, Mantisdreamz

Chapter 3 Ends..

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-09-24 13:20:00)

Mod fail. >.> No one saw that.

[waynegg]

4.01

with seven alive it will take four to lynch.

*waynegg -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod - waynegg, Serrapaladin [2]
*Mantisdreamz -
*Serrapaladin - Sweet Pertayter, bert [2]
*Bert -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting [3]: penguin_alien, fakeGod, Mantisdreamz

Chapter 3 Ends..

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-09-24 13:20:00)

Mod fail. >.> No one saw that.

Saw what? Lol!

[waynegg]

EBWOP no cross vote from tne, but there is some associative with Desp.

Question at large: does anyone have experience as scum in a Mala theme and if so does she give relational safeclaims to scum, such as the Shaw thing?

[FakeGod]

bah, I'm confused.

Scum effectively gave town a confirmed town by shooting Nati.

Why the hell would they do that when they have a roleblocker?

It doesn't make any sense.

pedit: I'm not voting anyone until I rethink this through, Wayne.

[waynegg]

bah, I'm confused.

Scum effectively gave town a confirmed town by shooting Nati.

Why the hell would they do that when they have a roleblocker?

It doesn't make any sense.

pedit: I'm not voting anyone until I rethink this through, Wayne.

ummm... SWEET PERTAYTER!!!

I don't control your vote FG, so I don't see why you're addressing that to me.

[Bert]

My reads from my night re-skim that I remember right now, just got home...

I was like dang Serra keeps gut scumvibing me more than any other player

solid but still-developing reads, give me some time

FG your attack on Nat sounded weird gut-wise, I was taken aback by your conviction that Nat was scum. and your posts today feel icky. don't feel good about you, your overreaction to Nat dying sounded fake today

Mantis, my brain says to watch out if you start spewing forth weird reactions to us. I believe that the reactions you gave when Desp went after you felt genuine EMOTIONAL town

Peng, gut screamed scum during re-read. I am watching you very carefully with your responses. would like to pressure you more and get you to talk about everyone. There is not enough weight in your posts, and your claim timing felt off

Serra you don't feel genuine this game, gut FIRST and FOREMOST. My brain has been telling me to watch out for you since you seem like a devious player..

Waynegg feels pretty town, an open book.

I can't explain what goes on in my head. It's brain vs. gut

[Mantisdreamz]

why are we voting serra over penguin, when serra is town?

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: penguin

[waynegg]

VOTE: penguin

Why?

[penguin_alien]

waynegg, allow me to clarify: I'm Jenny Ryan. I don't think there is a Jenny Shaw on the show. So my character's related to Desperado's fake-claimed character, not FakeGod's claimed character.

serrapaladin's quickhammer yesterday looked really scummy. It's not actually play that I'd expect out of town-serra. The frustration inherent in the vote post could be genuine, but it could also be scum disappointed that the gambit didn't work and a subsequent attempt to squeeze maximum town cred out of it. Town-serrapaladin is rational and logical--quickhammering doesn't fit that for me. I'm also not sure why town-serrapaladin didn't engage in my questions about how cop-tracker set-ups work based on our experience in Mini 1458.

But then FakeGod's 'shaken' reaction at Nat being NK'd is just so phony, and serra calls him out on it promptly. Both scummy, but I don't see them as very likely scum together.

Bert, if you have questions for me, if you want to pressure me, have at it. But saying "I'm going to pressure you" =/= pressure. Yes, I thought we were character claiming when I did so. Obviously I was wrong, but with Desperado's flip and Nat's flipped flavor I think characters are going to be fairly irrelevant anyways.

I've also never gotten the impression that Mantisdreamz is particularly emotional. I think she was scum in the only game I played with her, so I don't know how accurate emotional tells are for her.

Occam's Razor says Mantis is likely town, as Desperado trying to set her up looks most likely, but given that Desperado came out of the gate with guns blazing yesterday, I won't rule out that it was planned. If they're both scum, scenario A has Mantis lynched and Desperado looking like a bonafide tracker. Scenario B has Desperado lynched and Mantis looking like part of a town-town neighborhood. It's pretty neatly wrapped up.

It's not enough for me to want Mantis lynched today, but I'm not shaking the suspicion there. Especially with the whole disingenuous, "PA is scum, why are people voting town-serra?" If you're town thinking I'm scum, make a case, let's talk.

I will not vote Sweet Pertayter--no way are they a GF since, now that we know Nat was being truthful, the SK was apparently investigation-immune. With a likely three-man Mafia team, I don't see two of four scum being immune to the strongest town PR around. waynegg just screams town. I

think

only one of {serra, FakeGod} is scum. That leaves one of {Mantis, Bert} as scum. I don't want to lynch out of the latter set today anyways, and if one of the first set flipped scum, it could still be scum bussing.. Right now I'm leaning serra, but that somewhat depends on what FakeGod comes back with.

[waynegg]

So, what did I miss that makes you think the SK was investigation immune?

[waynegg]

It makes no sense that anyone could know or even think this given he flipped day one and didn't come back Ninja or whatever... These are the flips

havingfitz -

Jerry Tyson - Serial Killer

- Thrown over a bridge (Lynched) Day 1
Lynx_Shine -

Kate Beckett - Vanilla Townie

- Exploded by a Bomb Night 1.
Huntress -

Captain Victoria Gates - Bodyguard

- Killed by a sniper riffle (Lynched) Day 2.
Wisdom -

Alexis Castle - Town Neighbor

- Kidnapped & exploded by a gadget Night 2.
Desperado -

William Bracken "The Dragon" - 1-shot Mafia Bulletproof

- Exploded by a bomb (lynched) Day 3.
Natirasha -

Meredith - Sane Cop

- One way trip to Paris taken during Night 3.

P_A and Serra refusing to accept even the possibility of GF gives me the willies

UNVOTE:

[waynegg]

Mod: Assuming no role block, how many different results could the Sane Cop get with his investigations, 2 or 3?

[waynegg]

VOTE: Mantisdreams with reasons

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: Mantisdreams with reasons

this is pure bullshit, waynegg.. i don't care what your reasons.


are you delving into paranoia mode again?

waynegg, can you please tell me right now why penguin is town to you?

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: penguin

Why?

because
>.>
everyone else seems more town
your vote on me is seriously BS, i can't get over that

[Mantisdreamz]

i mean, really??? you'd rather resort to paranoid musings about how desp and i... throughout the last day or 2, were scum bussing each other? than look elsewhere for scum?
doesn't make any sense to me.

[Mantisdreamz]

this is bothersome, because i still believe you are town.

[Mantisdreamz]

you suck waynegg!

[penguin_alien]

nats, you sure you investigated omara as town?

'not mafia' was the result. I don't believe I was redirected. It doesn't stop third party or godfather, though.

waynegg, here. While Nat notes that it doesn't preclude a GF, since it does grant automatic immunity to the SK and we can now be pretty sure Nat is our only investigative role, it would be odd to have his role not work on two of the four scum. Desperado flipping 1-shot BP was probably Mafia's counter to the SK since we haven't seen evidence of a vig, and we know from Nat they have a roleblocker to thwart the cop. Giving them another way to avoid the cop isn't likely as such.

[penguin_alien]

waynegg, we're not lynching Mantis today. What gives?

[waynegg]

One of the reasons was nicely eloquent ex by P_A. By scum bussing in the situation with Desperado, they would leave themselves in a win-win situation. No matter which eventually fell to the hangman's noose, the other would come out the other side smelling like roses. At that point in the game, team scum definitely had one to give.

Occam's Razor says Mantis is likely town, as Desperado trying to set her up looks most likely, but given that Desperado came out of the gate with guns blazing yesterday, I won't rule out that it was planned. If they're both scum, scenario A has Mantis lynched and Desperado looking like a bonafide tracker. Scenario B has Desperado lynched and Mantis looking like part of a town-town neighborhood. It's pretty neatly wrapped up.

It's not enough for me to want Mantis lynched today, but I'm not shaking the suspicion there. Especially with the whole disingenuous, "PA is scum, why are people voting town-serra?" If you're town thinking I'm scum, make a case, let's talk.

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Then there's VCA

FINAL LYNCH OF DAY 1

With thirteen alive it will take seven to lynch.

*macmollie - thenewearth [1]
*theslimer3 -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*thenewearth -
*Mantisdreamz - havingfitz, macmollie [2]
*Wisdom -
*Serrapaladin - Theslimer3, Desperado [2]
*Desperado -
*Lynx_Shine -
*Bert -
*Natirasha - Wisdom [1]
*penguin_alien -
*havingfitz - Natirasha, Serrapaladin, Mantisdreamz, Lynx_Shine, bert, Sweet Pertayter, penguin_alien [7] [LYNCH]

Not Voting [0]:

Chapter 1 Ends..

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-08-19 03:52:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

... Flip in the next post.

final lynch of Day 2

with eleven alive it will take six to lynch.

*macmollie - bert [1]
*Huntress - Sweet Pertayter, macmollie, Natirasha, Mantisdreamz, Wisdom, Desperado [6] [Lynch]
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod -
*Mantisdreamz -
*Wisdom -
*Serrapaladin - FakeGod [1]
*Desperado -
*Bert -
*Natirasha -
*penguin_alien - Huntress [1]

Not Voting [2]: Serrapaladin, penguin_alien

Chapter 2 Ends..

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-09-05 03:00:00)

Flip in the next post.

Final Vote Count of Day 3

with nine alive it will take five to lynch.

*waynegg -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod -
*Mantisdreamz - Desperado, FakeGod [2]
*Serrapaladin -
*Desperado - Natirasha, Mantisdreamz, Sweet Pertayter, waynegg, Serrapaladin [5] [LYNCH]
*Bert -
*Natirasha -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting [2]: penguin_alien, bert

Chapter 3 Ends..

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2013-09-19 12:55:00)

Flip in the next post.

I haven't seen this used or talked about much here on MS, though it is a solid tell and is even written up in the wiki. It was used to much success where I first started playing. Basically this ~ scum have 2 motivations. One, lynch town. Two, look townie while doing it. In ore der to fill both motivations, scum often (very often) end up being third/fourth on any wagon. She was third on having fitz, fourth on Wisdom, and what looks like second on Desperado. Only I was initially first on Desp and got off while discussing Tayter, then back on. Therefor, she was third on that wagon as well.

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Then there's my original read on Mantis. Part analysis and part gut just like with anyone else

Mantisdreamz ~ Claimed Neighbor Richard Castle

Spoiler:

643 SHENANIGANS!!! Long drawn-out stall
instead of claiming in a timely manner then swooping in just barely
before deadline, and seven minutes after he was put at L-1! This is
scum and should be killed with fire! I don't believe for a second he'll
flip town neighbor. I'm a firm believer in 'it takes only a second to
paraphrase a role pm and an eternity to come up with a good fake
claim'. I hammer without hesitation every time I've seem someone
stall like this and every time they've been scum. I would have
hammered here had i been in the game at that point

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If you like, I'll even borrow DGB's scumputer and do that too. Think I will just for fun since DGB recently explained to me the parts I was shaky on. Her reaction to my one vote didnt read very natural either, so if I was gambiting for reaction, she would have failed there as it comes off as contrived and discrediting.

[FakeGod]

Still thinking.

I wrote this in middle of my amusings and found it helpful. Perhaps, it can clear your thinking process as well.

VC of Final Lynches

Day 1

:

havingfitz

-

Natirasha

, Serrapaladin, Mantisdreamz,

Lynx_Shine

, bert,

Sweet Pertayter

, penguin_alien

Off-wagon

: thenewearth,

havingfitz

, macmollie, Theslimer3,

Desperado

,

Wisdom

Day 2

:

Huntress

-

Sweet Pertayter

, macmollie,

Natirasha

, Mantisdreamz,

Wisdom

,

Desperado

Off-wagon

: bert, FakeGod,

Huntress

, Serrapaladin, penguin_alien

Day 3

:

Desperado

-

Natirasha

, Mantisdreamz,

Sweet Pertayter

, waynegg, Serrapaladin

Off-wagon

:

Desperado

, FakeGod, penguin_alien, bert

[waynegg]

macmollie

- Mantisdreamz, thenewearth, Bert, ArcAngel9,

Lynx_Shine, Sweet Pertayter

Two scum here - 200 point wagon


Serrapaladin -

macmollie, theslimer3, Wisdom

,

Desperado

,

Sweet Pertayter

One scum here, scum found


Mantisdreamz -

havingfitz

, Bert, Serrapaladin,

macmollie, Natirasha, Lynx_Shine

Two scum here, one scum found - 100 point wagon


Serrapaladin -

Theslimer3, Wisdom

,

Desperado

, Mantisdreamz

Two scum here, one scum found - 100 point wagon

Natirasha

- Mantisdreamz,

Sweet Pertayter, Wisdom, Lynx_Shine

, Bert

One scum here - 100 point wagon

havingfitz

-

Natirasha

, Serrapaladin, Mantisdreamz,

Lynx_Shine

, bert,

Sweet Pertayter

, penguine_alien

Lynch wagon, Two scum here - 200 point wagon


thenewearth -

macmollie, Natirasha

, penguin_alien,

Sweet Pertayter

One scum here - 100 point wagon


Mantisdreamz -

macmollie, Sweet Pertayter, Natirasha

,

Desperado

One scum here, scum found


penguin_alien -

Wisdom

, Mantisdreamz, bert,

Natirasha, Sweet Pertayter

One scum here - 100 point wagon


FakeGod -

Natirasha, Sweet Pertayter, macmollie

, bert

One scum here - 100 point wagon


Serrapaladin -

Desperado

,

macmollie

, bert, FakeGod

Two scum here, one scum found -100 point wagon

Huntress - Sweet Pertayter, macmollie

, bert,

Wisdom, Natirasha

, Mantisdreamz,

Wisdom

,

Desperado

Lynch wagon, Two scum here, one scum found - 100 point wagon


Mantisdreamz -

Desperado

, Serrapaladin, FakeGod

Two scum here, one scum found, 100 point wagon

Desperado

-

Natirasha

, Mantisdreamz,

Sweet Pertayter, waynegg

, Serrapaladin

Lynch wagon, one scum here - 100 point wagon

Bert 450

Mantisdreamz 400

Serrapaladin ArcAngel9 250

FakeGod thenewearth 150

penguin_alien 150

Hmm, that isn't exactly what I expected. The lurking of tne and AA most likely skewed the results of those slots, weighted more on tne than on AA since AA was replaced much sooner so I would flop the positioning of those two as a resultand is reflected in the color coding for the results on FakeGod's slot. Still doesn't change the front runners for scum. I'm totally good with my vote.