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Debonair Danny DiPietro · Post Post #3575 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:07 pm

Oh and it looks like some of you guys haven't reported for the Standard Pauper tourney, might want to get on that.

kdowns · Post Post #3576 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:11 pm

I've submitted my results twice... And I'm not reported.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #3577 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:45 am

Yep, same here.

Fate · Post Post #3578 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:45 am

In post 3561, Sudo_Nym wrote:if you've noticed, even aggro decks aren't stuffed full of creatures,

stopped reading.

My point is that people have been notoriously bad at evaluating Planeswalkers, and I tend to overestimate 3 mana planeswalkers.

People didnt like Chandra either. She can come down and "do 1 damage" and not use her 0 etc. etc. But she sure as hell has been an all star for me

So yeah, when people are saying about yet ANOTHER planeswalkers "wow what a pile won't see play" I'm inclined not to listen

bv310 · Post Post #3579 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:18 pm

Answer this for me, Fate: Why is Ashiok worth the slots in a maindeck? What does this card do that makes me win the game? Milling 3 is not a win condition. Possibly stealing a creature if you're lucky is not a win condition. Stripping their hand is not a win condition. Having to stick your planeswalker for 3 or 4 turns just to get a random creature from their deck is just not worth it. Having to dedicate slots in your deck for a theoretical creature that'll never be something YOU want is not good.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #3580 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:49 pm

Not everything in a deck is a wincon. Especially in control.

ISO · Post Post #3581 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:04 pm

Are you actually claiming that the card fulfills the purpose of controlling the game better than a draw spell or a removal spell?

I think that's pretty clearly untrue.

Its not as good a control option as other cards. It is not a win condition. What does it do, then, exactly?

ISO · Post Post #3582 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:04 pm

I won my match, btw.

bv310 · Post Post #3583 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:22 pm

This is better than Ashiok is every single way.

Sudo_Nym · Post Post #3584 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:33 pm

Still a three mana counterspell, but could be better than dissipate with flashback rotating out.

ISO · Post Post #3585 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:42 pm

Scry is pretty powerful. I dont know how to evaluate it yet. If the format is as slow as it seems like its going to be, the card could be very good.

kdowns · Post Post #3586 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:58 pm

For those in the Pauper Tournament, What decks have you played so far?

Fate · Post Post #3587 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:33 pm

In post 3579, bv310 wrote:Answer this for me, Fate: Why is Ashiok worth the slots in a maindeck? What does this card do that makes me win the game? Milling 3 is not a win condition. Possibly stealing a creature if you're lucky is not a win condition. Stripping their hand is not a win condition. Having to stick your planeswalker for 3 or 4 turns just to get a random creature from their deck is just not worth it. Having to dedicate slots in your deck for a theoretical creature that'll never be something YOU want is not good.

I think its versatile enough in enough match-ups to warrant slots in the MB. I think this has been argued to death and obviously no one is ever going to change their mind until results are posted and a metagame is formed...

ISO · Post Post #3588 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:14 pm

Versatile? It does one thing, and doesn't even do it that well.

I played
1: Mono U delver
2: UB dedicated Mill
3: RG ramp
4: Mono Black Control

Debonair Danny DiPietro · Post Post #3589 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:25 pm

In post 3586, kdowns wrote:For those in the Pauper Tournament, What decks have you played so far?

1) UB Delver
2) UWG (Limited Flicker) Gates
3) UBGR Flickergate

kdowns · Post Post #3590 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:02 am

I've played

1) Boros Aggro
2) 4 Color Hexproof
3) White Weenie.

Fate · Post Post #3591 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:25 am

it does a few things if you aren't being narrow minded

InflatablePie · Post Post #3592 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:33 am

Swan Song (U)
Instant - Rare
Counter target instant, sorcery or enchantment spell. It's controller puts a 2/2 blue bird creature token onto the battlefield.
"Most enlightened mages create beauty from violence" - Medomai, the Eternal

Spoiler: Mono-U Control, you say?

Sudo_Nym · Post Post #3593 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:41 am

In post 3591, Fate wrote:it does a few things if you aren't being narrow minded

Such as?

dramonic · Post Post #3594 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:31 pm

Not a fan of giving my opponent 2/2 birds =/

Sudo_Nym · Post Post #3595 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:14 pm

Well, it's a 1 mana counter, and 2/2 birds become less significant over time. It's not a decision you snap-make, but it's worth keeping in mind.

Debonair Danny DiPietro · Post Post #3596 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:31 pm

Is there anything worse than conceding a game at 58 life? I think not.

InflatablePie · Post Post #3597 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:45 pm

I'd rather give my opponent a 2/2 than say, an Ashiok

Spoiler:

InflatablePie · Post Post #3598 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:47 pm

speaking of ashiok, I don't think she's great but she could be better than people are making her out to be atm

I think she'll go the way of Vraska and be mostly overlooked until the meta's just right/she'll be mostly a sideboard card.

Sudo_Nym · Post Post #3599 (ISO) » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:00 pm

It's mostly a surprise counter. Like, countering something with it early probably isn't that great, but being able to play out a threat and still leave U up to get a Sphinx's Revelation or something is a big game. I don't know that I'd play it in dedicated control, though- it seems like more of a tempo card.