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[Klazam]

That UG seed born muse is gonna be a $20 card in 5 years.

it's a incredible casual card (EDH!)

[xRECKONERx]

Sometimes, you get to play magic.

Other times, you draw 10 lands in the first 12 turns.

*sigh*

That was the sweetest UW deck ever, too.

[Shanba]

Beat my B/W opponent in what felt like a very lopsided matchup. Now 3-0 in the tournament

[bv310]

Wooo Magic Celebration day. Opened a Bonescythe Sliver, foil Steelform, and a Serra Angel, then got a Scourge of Valkas in my prize. Also won a Heroes v Monsters in a door prize.

Apparently the LGS here is only a sort off greedy/cheap dick during the summer.

[Fate]

our store apparently sucks at self adveritisng said celebration day

Not gonna worry about it, still free rolling FNM.


Chandra is the shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[Fate]

Let me remind you of your Boros reckoner evaluation chamber

I'm right (within reasonable tolerance) way more often than I'm wrong.

Edit: Also outside of the initial weekend where gatecrash made its debut I don't think my evaluation of reckoner was actually that far off(though still probably fairly outside reasonable tolerance), its only seen borderline play since then.

Then you must have missed that good 2-3 month period where the R/g deck-the one you all told me was shit and bad and not Tier 1 and never had a chance to be tier 1 cuz lolaggro-was the biggest threat in standard and overplayed to shit and back. Boros Reckoner was definitely one of the best cards in that deck alongside hellrider and Ghor-Clan Rampager (another card people didn't even like when Gatecrash was first spoiler and released, but quickly caught on as variations of Saito's Gruul list using them teared up daily events)

With hellrider going I'm pretty sure he's one of the best cards red has and if-secret predictions made by secret red clans- Boros is the new goto Aggro deck of choice come rotation (they have a lot of powerful tools and cards) Reckoner is gonna do work there as well.

[bv310]

You really have this whole persecution-complex thing down, eh?

[Fate]

I'm sorry, its just when literally this entire thread turned into "me vs. them" its kinda hard not too.

Especially when all those people conveniently "shut up" and disappeared when facts and results occurred that showed their stances to be completely wrong, instead of humbly making concessions or anything.

So when they come back makign MORE stances and saying "well In the past ive always been more right than wrong" it kinda sets me off.


Looking back Bv, I realize that you had only said Aggro might not be good ni the current meta, not that it was an unviable archetype, so I've got no issues there.

[xRECKONERx]

Man, I lost my pauper match. Went up against a BW extort deck that just destroyed me, nothing but removal and extort creatures.

[Sudo_Nym]

Is it just me, or does Modern look like a lot more fun than Standard does?

[bv310]

I'm sorry, its just when literally this entire thread turned into "me vs. them" its kinda hard not too.

Especially when all those people conveniently "shut up" and disappeared when facts and results occurred that showed their stances to be completely wrong, instead of humbly making concessions or anything.

So when they come back makign MORE stances and saying "well In the past ive always been more right than wrong" it kinda sets me off.


Looking back Bv, I realize that you had only said Aggro might not be good ni the current meta, not that it was an unviable archetype, so I've got no issues there.

Fair enough. I still stand by what I said, though I heavily underestimated Ghor-Clan Rampager, while still way over-estimating Wrecking Ogre.

Hey Reck, if you're interested in regular Pauper, that list works pretty well there too: http://www.mtgo-stats.com/decks/73571

[chamber]

I'm sorry, its just when literally this entire thread turned into "me vs. them" its kinda hard not too.

Especially when all those people conveniently "shut up" and disappeared when facts and results occurred that showed their stances to be completely wrong, instead of humbly making concessions or anything.

So when they come back makign MORE stances and saying "well In the past ive always been more right than wrong" it kinda sets me off.


Looking back Bv, I realize that you had only said Aggro might not be good ni the current meta, not that it was an unviable archetype, so I've got no issues there.

Please point to me saying RG aggro was bad? Or that gore-clan rampager was bad? I actually liked the rg instant that pumped for +4+2 and gave trample when it was in alara, so I can't imagine myself ever directly knocking rampager which is almost strictly better. You are falsely associating me with people that aren't me. I did say I didn't think reckoner was that good, and the biggest thing I missed was how little removal actually dealt with it at the time. As more removal got printed that actually killed it, its fallen out of as much use. As for it being 'Us vs You' You are the one that brought up a single past card evaluation when I made my current comment, so perhaps its you doing the antagonizing?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Sometimes, you get to play magic.

Other times, you draw 10 lands in the first 12 turns.

*sigh*

That was the sweetest UW deck ever, too.

I'm with you there, made the finals of an 8-4 and kept a 3 card, 4 land opening hand and five of my next six draws were land. Second game wasn't much better but between the second place payout and the Chandra, Pyromaster and Mutavault I pulled it worked out.

[PeregrineV]

Wooo Magic Celebration day. Opened a Bonescythe Sliver, foil Steelform, and a Serra Angel, then got a Scourge of Valkas in my prize. Also won a Heroes v Monsters in a door prize.

Apparently the LGS here is only a sort off greedy/cheap dick during the summer.

I got a Silence, my prize was a Foil trading post, and I bought the Heroes and Monsters duel deck for $20.

But I did get to play some Magic.

[bv310]

Foil Posts are awesome. I love that card, even though I've never found somewhere to run it successfully.

[Fate]

Please point to me saying RG aggro was bad?

Well its impossible to quote cockatrice chat, but you did say "your deck might just be shit" and "it seems bad" among other things about R/g aggro when we were testing its worst match-up.


Obviously not everything I'm saying is directly attributed to you. Hence the me vs. them explanation, and my general feeling towards the people that hated on aggro.

And yes I'm being antagonistic, who the fuck do you think I am? I'll bring up times in the past where you were wrong to combat your current evaluation of cards, and I don't see any foul play in doing so. I usually only comment on cards I really feel strongly about, so when people just make flash judgements about certain cards I'm probably giong to call them out.

@Sudo:
BTW I forgot to say this but YES the UB PW is strictly worse than Drownyard

and that's a good thing.

. It shows that wizard is moving toward a more interactive meta of magic, where NO you dont get mill on a land that no one can stop (without Land destruction). You get it on a PW with 5 loyalty that can be dealt with. That PW also has different upsides than drownyard could.

Anyway in this "new different meta" of magic, its very possible that the UB PW will be very playable, because the meta DOESNT need a drownyard and the overall power level of cards has decreased.

[chamber]

The only reason the mill of drowyard was good as a wincon was BECAUSE it was hard to interact with and didn't take up a card slot. Its not like slowly milling your opponent out is the preferred win condition of all control decks. When forced to play a card that takes up a slot and can be interacted with, control decks are going to pick a win con that can actually interact back.

[kdowns]

Well I am 2-1 in the Tourny now.

[Sudo_Nym]

Chamber knows what I'm talking about. Mill has never been strong as a mechanic, because it doesn't affect the board state. If you're stopping to mill your opponent, you're falling behind to an opponent who is actually developing his board. Mill does nothing unless you actually won the game with it. That's why, historically, the only mill cards to see serious play either win the game on the spot (Brain Freeze), or are very cheap to put in your deck and use (Drownyard). This planeswalker is neither of those, and I don't think stealing a creature is going to be consistent enough to make up for it.

And it's hard for me to believe that Wizards really cares about interactivity and power level when they're printing four mana indestructible mythic God cards.

[chamber]

You can indirectly interact with the gods, the new watchwolf is probably the bigger contender for complain there.

[Sudo_Nym]

Or the entire Hexproof mechanic, really.

[Fate]

i think the -X is what is going to make him affect the board state, so we'll just have to see

[Sudo_Nym]

Right, and I don't think it'll happen often enough to matter, and it can't happen the turn she comes down. Her entire playability is going to depend on the -X ability, so we'll see how it fairs in actual play.

[chamber]

It can't be used the first turn. Your opponent has a chance to react to new mills before it can do anything. How is it any better than just playing a creature in the slot?

[Sudo_Nym]

Which is part of my point. You're stealing nothing this turn, so you're spending a three drop and a deck slot in the hopes that you get to mill and steal a four drop on your second turn. But you could have done something else with your turn three, and then played a four drop next turn anyway. And it's unlikely that a random four from your opponents deck is going to have more synergy with your deck than the four you could have played instead.