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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:02 am

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well, you werent attacking me. In Mafia, its a rare occassion worth celebrating. :cry:
Raffles wrote:Yay! I got a vote!

BM, not complaining, but any reason?
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:04 am

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:lol: Is it always like this? I didn't know.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:13 am

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oh yeh lol. Im the easiest target for scum on Day 1, because most noob scum pick up on the fact that i have made a couple bad decisions when i first started playing. Since then, ive spent more time deflecting personal comments than actual arguments relevant to the game. :(
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:14 am

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They can't execute you now anyways. If they were to read the rules, it would say that they can issue an execution after one week of playing.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:16 am

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yes, but assuming they are scum, i see no reason why they would change their vote.
So-any ideas of how we can spend the next 6 days? :roll:

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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:19 am

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Vote for Tribune: Battle Mage
that's about the only way, if you get tribune. They're just acting idiotic, lynching you for probably no reason. Except for mabey on of them is a cop and looked at you during the night, and found out you were scum. But my vote stays with you for now.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:21 am

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cheers dude. I highly doubt the reason is cop related, as if a cop had visited me, they would have spotted that i was protown.
Raffles, mind if we switch over?
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:39 am

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Aren't they just kidding around because they have a week to waste? (I read the first page again, and it was hilarious :lol:)

Do you END UP getting killed on the first day? (Can someone else in this game testify for this? Then I'll strongly consider voting for you.)

Random musing of the post: I just had a thought. If by chance the Consuls are both scums, we are pretty screwed for today, aren't we...
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:04 pm

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Well if they are, then they won't be tommorow.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:54 pm

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I'm claiming because it seems like it is something imprtant for the town to know. And I'm pretty sure that the consuls can only try to execute someone once a day, so I could essential save two of my fellow romans.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:10 pm

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I'll be honest - at this point, I feel that we are fighting against our consuls. This is not a good thing. Rand, I would think it was all a complete joke too - except that I know Battle Mage's history. He IS usually targetted day 1, and many are serious about it. Also, mod, a rule clarification if we could - if the tribune vetos a person, can that person be re-scheduled for execution?
I'll be honest - I'm not feeling BM as tribune. Sure, it may prevent him from being executed, but I feel that we really should vest that power in a stronger player.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:03 pm

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I love how BM thinks Raffles will go with it just because BM voted for him first. And BTW, I'm fairly certain Zindaras was joking. I could be wrong though, I've read a couple of BM's games.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:32 pm

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Panzerjager, I really don't like your claim.

If you are scum then convincing people with a power role like that on the first day is a clever idea. Double voter is clever because unless you exercise that power (which can easily be avoided) or have a cop check up on you, you won't have evidence against you, and it could be infuential in the other game (why it isn't in this case I'll go into later). Plus it doesn't really suit the flavour. (See previous bracket)

If you are a townie, why would you role claim just to be on the tribune
for the first day
? It is at such an early stage of a game too. Also, do you realize that double vetoing means nothing to Consuls? Consuls can lynch who they fancy, vetoes are merely there to try to get the Consuls to re-consider. (If I understand the game mechanics correctly) Plus claiming a power role is dangerous move because you can make yourself a target for the NK.

Clarify your thinking for me. Meanwhile
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:34 pm

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EBWOP: "Plus it doesn't really suit the flavour" - thinking about it, it's more game mechanics than the flavour.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:58 pm

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My thinking could be flawed as I said I wasn't sure if it was smart to do. I figured my ability would be very helpful to the town and not quite meaningful enough to the scum to really care, so I was assuming night kill would be a null point. My thinking was I'd be most effective with my role in the tribune spot and being not as prolific of a player as BM(excuse the joke) I figured claiming would be the best way to see that tribune chair. Again, probably not the brightest move.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:08 pm

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Actually, Panzer, this provides us a reason that you
shouldn't
be tribune. If you already have 2 vetoes, giving you a 3rd is vesting too much veto power into a single individual. We want those vetoes spread out.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:12 pm

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No, I only get 2 vetos if I am tribune. I get 0 if I am not tribune. Would you like me to fully claim and put in as much of my flavor as I possibly can without being modkilled?
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:17 pm

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I don't believe you. That seems
really
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:21 pm

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1. You never said you weren't sure if it was smart to do, but I'll see off that point.

2. I wouldn't say it's a null point, if what you are claiming to be the game mechanics is true, then a double voter can be quite powerful. But we should wait for CES on this.

3. If your game mechanics is true, then you'd be good on the tribune spot. This confuses me in your post because you claim your role would be null. This is assuming "infinite execution on same person in a day" mechanics. However, the fact that you are suggesting you'd be good on the tribune spot is assuming "no execution on same person in a day" mechanics. I feel you are contradicting yourself here.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:28 pm

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Andrew, it should really go without saying, but you have my word that I will not actually execute anyone unless I find them scummy. I've actually only ever played with BM in one game before, and we both died N1, so I doubt that counts.

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is good though. Until we know better, we should put the most solid players in the most powerful positions. Mos's main fault is that he's not great at getting people to go along with him, so this should help circumvent that.

@Panzer: No. Your king says that would be unecessary. Dropping more role info will not further convince people, and will just aid hannibalscum in coming up with claims. No offence, but the reason I don't want you on the tribune stand is because I don't think you're a particularly good player yet. You'd veto people for the wrong reasons. And you really, really, need to stop this habit of claiming early for bad reasons. I've seen you do it in a few games now, you figure that if you claim a your role, you will get someone to listen to you, be trusted more. All it really does though is tell the mafia who to actually kill, and prompt paranoia in a town. all the things you're trying to gain can also be gained by simply acting like a townie, putting forward your suspicions well, etc.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:35 pm

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Sorry, when I said I'm not sure if I can do this, I meant it to imply I thought it might not be the best idea. That part I believed was null was that I would be nightkilled because most scum look for Vigs and Cops, not double vetoers.

I'm not sure on the game mechnics, I'm just figuring that me having double vetos on the tribune would be good.

Why does it seem odd Andrews?
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:38 pm

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Mastermind of Sin seems to be everyone's favourite choice. I assume he is a good player (never played with him). But I'd like to see his posts first before voting for him. We still have a week before electing a tribune.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:19 pm

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Primate: Sorry, I hate to be so suspicious, but I was in another game where a similar situation arose, and a player nearly got lynched for absolutely silly reasons. At any rate, my best suggestion is MoS/Mole for Tribune, but I can only vote for one.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:29 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:you both seem pretty eratic in your haste to lynch someone without evidence. You seem to have a close relationship, and certainly are both slightly tipsy on the power.
actually, i will
Unvote, Vote: Raffles for Tribune

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We are Consuls. We have to decide together. I think it's funny, personally. You mistake fun for erraticness and scumminess.
~N9V~ wrote:They can't execute you now anyways. If they were to read the rules, it would say that they can issue an execution after one week of playing.
Well, d'oh. I fakexecuted him to see how people would react. I don't do grudges.

I'd also like to echo Raffles's
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:42 pm

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I think I can accept
voting Mastermind of Sin
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And of course you should look out for Panzerjager, he was Hannibal last game...
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