Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[waynegg]

Fallacy. Any scum lynch gives equal information because connections can be drawn from the lynch. I also find it less likely for Mantis to be scum than Desparado. Not that I don't see Mantis as scum, because I can see that. The difference is that I

do

see scum in Desp.

But you're looking at it from a biased point of view.

You're assuming that Desp will flip scum.

Spending the last 54 hours (I slept less than nine of those) reading this game and drawing connections with yarn and pictures on my wall hardly makes me biased. I went into this with a completely open mind and had 2/3 of my connections drawn before I ever received my role pm. That's as unbiased as you can get.

[Malakittens]

3.08

with nine alive it will take five to lynch.

*waynegg -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod -
*Mantisdreamz - Desperado, FakeGod, Serrapaladin [3]
*Serrapaladin -
*Desperado - Natirasha, Mantisdreamz, waynegg [3]
*Bert -
*Natirasha -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting 34]: penguin_alien, bert, Sweet Pertayter

Chapter 3 Ends..

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2013-09-19 12:55:00)

[Mantisdreamz]

Nati, if desp is scum, do you think he came up with leaving you alive and claim a guilty?

I could see any of you, FakeGod, or Desp bringing that idea up.

scum in (desp, penguin), serra or fakegod then.
i really can't believe bert is scum. and no way mollie/waynegg is scum

actually, just remembered fakegod came in and outed Nat for what he thought was fake bread crumbs. doesn't seem like a scum move to take. he would just have quietly spoken that to his teammates.

honestly am thinking serra, along with Desp & penguin.
serra's 2617 was terrible

[Mantisdreamz]

also Desp, who do you say my partners are then? you're rolling with Nat as one. how about the other??

[waynegg]

I agree on Serra based on his play today, Penguin not so much. Good point on FG though, so I'll have to rethink that one.

[Mantisdreamz]

Right, a position that you knew would never gain any traction. Until now anyway.

Then why didn't I lynch serra?

Fuck if I know?

Scum do inexplicable things all the time.

couldn't come up with a reason quick enough, eh?

[Natirasha]

actually, just remembered fakegod came in and outed Nat for what he thought was fake bread crumbs. doesn't seem like a scum move to take. he would just have quietly spoken that to his teammates.

I'm not exactly sure on that, he was trying to get me lynched. They might have been trying to get me out of the picture early on. I agree that, of the three in my team, FakeGod is the lowest on the list.

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: Mantis

I'm pretty sure this is the right lynch for today.

again, terrible.

serra feels he did *just* the right amount of questioning for desp, and now feels it's safe to place his vote on me.

[Mantisdreamz]

For the record it was stated that this was not a bastard game and it has been reviewed for balance.

I do not mod bastard games.

Not bastard =/= normal

ffs

and then serra tries to shift attention here by focusing on waynegg questioning the mod

[Mantisdreamz]

Lynching mantis is the best lynch for town today, hands down. It gives so much information to the town.

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

Wayne, I'm not saying you should believe Desp.

I'm just saying that lynching Mantis will give us the most information.

have you looked at Desp's ISO? that might help in indicating beyond logic who should be the lynch today.
note at the beginning, he randomly throws out town reads. the one that got me most was calling havingfitz town for this post
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5192817

then randomly states out of nowhere that Bert, Tater and I should be lynched. while in the meantime, he had not even had conversation with Tater or I.
i can produce more scum-desp stuff, but am running out of time soon

[FakeGod]

Wayne, let me get you straight.

You believe Nati is cop, and you believe Desperado is scum.

You believe Desperado faked his results last night to get Mantis lynched, knowing that he will be lynched tomorrow if Mantis flips town.

I now ask you, why should Desperado do this, instead of another of his scummate?

Because, as you said, Desperado had a great towncred in d1 and d2, and was "untouchable".

It seems to me, that if mafia wanted wanted to sacrifice one of their members to get rid of Mantis at all costs, then they should sacrifice a player who had less town cred than Desp.

Reply?

[waynegg]

Because he was already under massive amounts of scrutiny. Desp would be the obvious best choice from scum perspective to throw himself on the spike.

[Mantisdreamz]

desp was certainly not untouchable, in any way, shape or form

[FakeGod]

Wayne, you said Desp was "untouchable". Can you explain this?

Being under a lot of scrutiny doesn't really sound "untouchable" to me.

[Natirasha]

Because. He was in a bad position--ignoring Waynegg for a minute--the rest of us all thought Desp was suspicious as fuck! I distinctly didn't investigate him

because

he was so obviously scum that I was going to push his lynch anyway. If he did something timid like claim VT or some shit, we'd already be on night three. So, no, I think the scum team decided to go for some big plays. If it worked, hey, they managed to get two lynches out of Desperado before death. And the game is in LyLo from then-on. If not, well, oh well, he was pretty dead in the water anyway.

[FakeGod]

Because. He was in a bad position--ignoring Waynegg for a minute--the rest of us all thought Desp was suspicious as fuck! I distinctly didn't investigate him

because

he was so obviously scum that I was going to push his lynch anyway. If he did something timid like claim VT or some shit, we'd already be on night three. So, no, I think the scum team decided to go for some big plays. If it worked, hey, they managed to get two lynches out of Desperado before death. And the game is in LyLo from then-on. If not, well, oh well, he was pretty dead in the water anyway.

Being in a bad position is not "untouchable".

Wayne said Desp was untouchable.

I want him to answer, not you.

[Mantisdreamz]

also fakegod, stop wanting to be right about Nat. because it's clouding your view of obv-scum Desp

[waynegg]

Wayne, you said Desp was "untouchable". Can you explain this?

Being under a lot of scrutiny doesn't really sound "untouchable" to me.

In my Desp analysis? That's a full trajectory of. Y read on him. At one point he was an untouchable townread for me. As the game progressed, that changed.

[waynegg]

* of my

[Bert]

Mara a 5 hour day without u kinda sucks

Peng if ure here weigh in

Mara talk to me ur opinions please. Cuz gut says to lynch Desp. What do u think

Ill be online and with a computer tonight. One more class to go

Also remind me to look for PR games from Desp

[FakeGod]

Wayne, another question.

If Desp flips tracker, will you still believe that Nati is cop, or will you believe that there are two investigative town roles in this game?

[Desperado]

Or we could just lynch scum in Desparado and find more scum tomorrow. He would have already called me scum for all the doubt I threw on him if he wasn't scum.

Nope, you replaced mollie, who was town town town town town. You also make 0 sense as a Mantis/Nat partner. This is really weak reasoning.

also Desp, who do you say my partners are then? you're rolling with Nat as one. how about the other??

Penguin. Already said it earlier, you sure you're reading?

Right, a position that you knew would never gain any traction. Until now anyway.

Then why didn't I lynch serra?

Fuck if I know?

Scum do inexplicable things all the time.

couldn't come up with a reason quick enough, eh?

Nat was asking me why she didn't do something. I'm supposed to have an answer for that question?

[Desperado]

Lynching mantis is the best lynch for town today, hands down. It gives so much information to the town.

Mantis flips scum = Desp is town, and Nati is almost conf scum.

Mantis flips town = Desp is scum, and Nati + Potato is almost conf town.

Wayne, I'm not saying you should believe Desp.

I'm just saying that lynching Mantis will give us the most information.

have you looked at Desp's ISO? that might help in indicating beyond logic who should be the lynch today.
note at the beginning, he randomly throws out town reads. the one that got me most was calling havingfitz town for this post
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5192817

then randomly states out of nowhere that Bert, Tater and I should be lynched. while in the meantime, he had not even had conversation with Tater or I.
i can produce more scum-desp stuff, but am running out of time soon

I already responded to these points once, pretty sure you ignored them.

Mantis, Nat, and Penguin. Take it to the bank.

[waynegg]

@ FG

The only thing I'd believe then is that I'll have several more sleepless nights reworking connections in this game.

[waynegg]

Or we could just lynch scum in Desparado and find more scum tomorrow. He would have already called me scum for all the doubt I threw on him if he wasn't scum.

Nope, you replaced mollie, who was town town town town town. You also make 0 sense as a Mantis/Nat partner. This is really weak reasoning.

Yes that would put you in a tight spot to flip that read, but since most people call me a VI since they can't follow my logic you could have always used the replace in of a "weaker" player player and that Mollie was too good for you to read but that some people were onto her at the end of D2 standby. Too bad that's lost to you now, but you coulda. You didn't though, ergo you're scum.