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I'm unsure - your 'reason' seems to be an RVS reason, but I often vote in RVS citing a nonsense reason but having intention.
Either way, I didn't realise the ambiguity of my statement, sorry. I didn't mean "my vote is the first non-RVS vote". I meant that it was ironic that I was putting a first vote on someone at the back end of RVS while essentially citing the reason "for putting a first vote on someone at the back end of RVS".-
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Notice that I said "Is it worth discussing...", not "I would like to discuss..." My ability to strategise in formats I haven't played is abysmal in this game, so I thought I'd open up conversation re strategy. And even still, it is in theory possible to have an optimal strategy that doesn't explicitly state what everyone's doing.
There's something fallacious about the bolded reasoning, but I'm having trouble putting my finger on it/expressing it. You say everyone knowing everyone's powers puts us on a "truly level" playing field, as though us not all knowing each other's PRs would be a disadvantage. But if that were true, every game of mafia would start with all the PRs claiming so that town would be on a "truly level" playing field. Given that scum already knowIn post 54, Maestro wrote:JKM, why would would we plan something in public, or rather, why would you suggest we plan something in publicwhen we're on a truly level playing field with the Scum at this point in time, at least information-wise? planning things out in public is only the best idea if there is claiming/clearing (usually of PR's) involved, or if there is an auto-Win strategy conceived. any other time public planning simply serves to inform Scum about actions which would otherwise be more unpredictable and (hopefully) more to our advantageexactly who they want to pick off, I would say town are decidedly disadvantaged compared to normal.
I'm happy to concede that open planning/strategising can be harmful to town, but the fact that bolded seems only to serve as a subtle "I am town" doesn't sit well with me...-
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Please tell me how we know what scum are not (other than each townie personally knowing scum isn't their role)? Do you mean we know what roles arein the game? I feel like this is bordering on theory discussion, but my point more was:
Suppose rather than drafting these roles, we were each randomly assigned them (but were still informed of the complete list of roles), then randomly assigned alignment. Is the correct play for everybody to claim their role to create a level playing field?
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In the hypothetical I proposed, scum also wouldn't have the chance to lie about their roles, even by claiming VT. I feel like we're having 2 tangential conversations, because I understand and agree with what you've been saying, other than the 'level playing field thing'.In post 64, Maestro wrote:Yes, I mean we know what'sin the game. That could seem trivial to you, and I was probably explaining in a roundabout way, but you obviously didn't get the full gist of my point because this:
...is something I would answer "no" to. You're not understanding me 100%. I'm saying that in a setup where Scum does not have the opportunity to lie about their Role, we essentially start off on what I consider to be a more advantageous footing/"level playing field", since Scum can now be more easily ousted through Night Action analyzation and process of elimination. In a setup where Scum have the chance to lie about their Role within reason (even if simply by claiming VT) there is considerably less proTown support for claiming as soon as possible.In post 61, JKMatthews wrote:Suppose rather than drafting these roles, we were each randomly assigned them (but were still informed of the complete list of roles), then randomly assigned alignment. Is the correct play for everybody to claim their role to create a level playing field?
In case my hypothetical wasn't clear, let me try again:
The set up is exactly the same as this game (everyone has a PR), except that instead of the PRs being drafted they were randomly assigned to us. Scum can't possibly lie about their role (unless they swapped claims with a buddy for some bizarre reason) because each of the X players has a unique PR from the list of X PRs. Does everyone claiming level the playing field?
I'm glad you agree Stubbs is scum though...-
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Hey all... just thought I'd say I'm still reading the game. Hardly anything's happening though...
I think the dayvig gambit doesn't really speak either way... scum could easily do it to show that they're generating discussion.
The reaction also doesn't reveal much, as has already been stated...
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Yeah sorry, that's an obviously very good point. I'm not paying enough attention to this game.In post 210, Varsoon wrote:No, it addresses your point, somewhat. Allow me to be more direct:
NS could look more town by vanilla-ing players who are 'anti-town'.-
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nick, the one option you missed is Varsoon AND FuDuzn are scum, which I don't think is actually all that unlikely. It's either that or FuDuzn and uct at this point to me.
None of the powers left in the game are that great for scum to have, so I have no idea why scum would care about killing a vanillaiser. Especially when there's a tracker left in the game. So, with the tracker still alive, the only power that's really threatening to scum, I don't believe they'd leave the tracker alive for the sake of WIFOM. And given that they could be intending to pull of this FuDuzn/Varsoon gambit, the vanillaiser seems like the one who would be the biggest hole in it (if he'd vanillaised the tracker without the tracker knowing).
Also, FuDuzn choosing to track Varsoon doesn't make much sense to me...
Also also, FuDuzn not seeing that loved doesn't matter in LyLo until post 261 despite it being discussed a bunch beforehand reads to me as either a) a lie to fake a 'townslip' and/or b) not reading because he's pushing an agenda.
I think FuDuzn is the only one I'd be happy to see lynched today.
This is so unnecessary to spell out. I don't understand why you wouldn't just say "I'm town so FuDuzn's lying"...Given the nature of Fuduzn's vote and use of exclusive evidence to push the wagon on me, I'm 100% sure he's scum.
I really think it's both of them.
Varsoon, the fact that you're using overly formal language is why I'm so concerned about you.-
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Things I don't like:In post 292, Varsoon wrote:FuDuzn is Tracker, but he's also scum. There's no strategies that would work with him, as I've already outlined the pitfalls of the Nick scenario.In the event that he's scum, he'll just kill people who aren't me until the game ends or I'm mislynched.
So I'm still at a loss...In post 302, FuDuzn wrote:No, be because if I am scum and get a mislynch I still have to worry about Tomorrow. I would be big time focused on just getting one mislynchbtoday, lime what you are doing.
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The way I see it, FuDuzn has missed blatantly obvious facts twice now (loved not working in LyLo), and now the fact that it's LyLo (despite the fact he acknowledged loved wasn't a factor anymore), which really just reads to me like he's way too busy being aggressive about getting Varsoon lynched to pay attention to what's actually going on.
Also, his response to me saying "why wouldn't scum kill the tracker?" being an implication thatI'mscum for some reason is crazy.
So yeah, I'm very much leaning FuDuzn at this point. Definitely need to hear more from uct and nick before anything happens though...
P-Edit: FuDuzn... you wouldn'tneedmislynch support tomorrow, because it's LyLo and there wouldn'tbea tomorrow...-
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No, I don't see he is definite scum. This is really simple, I don't understand how you could possibly not comprehend.
You could easily be scum who is lying to mislynch to win the game. Stop ignoring that glaringly obvious point.
And I thought you thought I was scum with Varsoon. Why are you trying to convince me of anything if that's the case?
I'll talk about whoever I want. I've spoken about both of you. Varsoon's tone is off to me, but the things you're saying, and the logic of the situation, lead to you as scum...-
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You said this:In post 309, FuDuzn wrote:And no shit I could be scum driving a mislynch, excuse me talking from a perspective that speaks the truth, the ONLY perspective that speaks the truth.
To which I said no. I agree with your statement of "no shit" I don't see it... that's why your question seems ridiculous.In post 307, FuDuzn wrote:I already know he is scum, Varsoon already knows he is scum......don't you see in your eyes he is scum as well?
I've said everything I want to say about Varsoon. Stop being ridiculous.In post 309, FuDuzn wrote:So, please make a post about Varsoon.-
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