Micro 215: Shitty Joke Smalltown (over)

[N]

Vote Count 3.02

nickthename

( 0 )

Varsoon

( 1 ) FuDuzn

FuDuzn

( 1 ) Varsoon

JKMatthews

( 0 )

uctriton00

( 0 )

Not voting:

nickthename , JKMatthews , uctriton00

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-09-10 03:44:32)

[FuDuzn]

Someone asked why I tracked Varsoon, it was a couple reasons. First he was wishy washy and basically ignored the fake big kill on me, it is like he was staying far away from him so not to commute himself one way or another. Also since he has a passive role I knew if he visited someone that only meant he was there to kill someone, no gray area.

I understand that there is literally nothing I can do to prove that I am telling the truth, but I will give you some circumstantial evidence. Me faking like I have been killed when I knew I wasn't would be a great play if the vig or the vanilla-iser was my scum buddy, which clearly they cannot be. And if I was scum wouldn't I keep both of them alive if I could help it to further along the charade? I would have these things planned out, knowing roles would be so beneficial to scum, guess Varsoon didn't think things through here.

[FuDuzn]

Argh auto correct.

* fake vig kill
*so not to commit

[Varsoon]

Someone asked why I tracked Varsoon, it was a couple reasons. First he was wishy washy and basically ignored the fake big kill on me, it is like he was staying far away from him so not to commute himself one way or another. Also since he has a passive role I knew if he visited someone that only meant he was there to kill someone, no gray area.

I understand that there is literally nothing I can do to prove that I am telling the truth, but I will give you some circumstantial evidence. Me faking like I have been killed when I knew I wasn't would be a great play if the vig or the vanilla-iser was my scum buddy, which clearly they cannot be. And if I was scum wouldn't I keep both of them alive if I could help it to further along the charade? I would have these things planned out, knowing roles would be so beneficial to scum, guess Varsoon didn't think things through here.

Or, because you're aware that'd make you seem more 'town' as scum, you didn't do it specifically so you could say "hey guys, I didn't do this scummy thing". It's a higher level of WIFOM play, which explains why you'd do sub-optimal scum strategies. Instead of enforcing a hard-boiled scum agenda that could be trailed, you're appealing to town sensibilities. This is typically what level 3/4 scum play is like.

[uctriton00]

I don't see how Varsoon can be town.

If my vote on Varsoon was me voting a townie, that would mean scum would end it. Am I missing something here?

[Varsoon]

Unless you and FuDuzn are both scum.

[Varsoon]

Given the play so far, if everyone in this thread is playing to their wincon, the scum is between me, uctriton, and Fuduzn.
I am town, and given FuDuzn's 'track' of me, he's definitely scum.

[JKMatthews]

Or, once again, Varsoon and FuDuzn are both scum...

[nickthename]

Or, once again, Varsoon and FuDuzn are both scum...

We'll cross the bridge when we come to it, but right now, we know there is at least one scum between the 2 of them.

[Varsoon]

Balls in your court.
I'll be around if you have anything to ask, instead of letting the day wither out.

[JKMatthews]

I'd rather lynch FuDuzn... can't imagine a town tracker being left alive...

[N]

Vote Count 3.03

nickthename

( 0 )

Varsoon

( 1 ) FuDuzn

FuDuzn

( 1 ) Varsoon

JKMatthews

( 0 )

uctriton00

( 0 )

Not voting:

nickthename , JKMatthews , uctriton00

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-09-10 03:44:32)

[FuDuzn]

I'd rather lynch FuDuzn... can't imagine a town tracker being left alive...

I guess you and Varsoon fucked up and were too worried about NS.

Your mistake is the town's gain.

[JKMatthews]

So ridiculous. You're implying I'm scum because I don't trust you?

[uctriton00]

labor day vla

need to think more about this when I get back

[N]

Vote Count 3.04

nickthename

( 0 )

Varsoon

( 1 ) FuDuzn

FuDuzn

( 1 ) Varsoon

JKMatthews

( 0 )

uctriton00

( 0 )

Not voting:

nickthename , JKMatthews , uctriton00

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-09-10 03:44:32)

[N]

Prodding Varsoon and nickthename

[Varsoon]

Yo, I'm here.
This game has slowed to a crawl because of indecisiveness on town's part.
I've been mulling over the setup, so here's the conclusions I've come to;

Here's the alive:
nickthename, self-watcher
Varsoon, loved
FuDuzn, tracker
JKMatthews, non-consecutive commuter
uctriton00, lightning rod

Let's review some no-lynch strategies.
Nick's a self-watcher. His only use at this point would be to confirm if he was targeted. This would be priceless in proving if FuDuzn was scum or not--but there's two pitfalls to that.
Pitfall 1 is that Scum could just NK Nick.
Now, you might say "But Uctriton could Lightning Rod!" Too bad that'd redirect the NK -and- the Track to Uctriton.
Pitfall 2 is that if Nick is scum, the whole thing is out the window. He could lie about the track not happening to get a mislynch on FuDuzn, or, in the more likely scenario of FuDuzn being scum as well, he could lie about being tracked and vindicate his scum partner.

Ergo, there's no play around Nick that would benefit town if we no-lynched. Since there's so many unknown variables and since scum really has control in this situation, there's no checks and balances.

I'm Loved, which does nothing in MyLo or LyLo. Any strategies involving my PR are out.

FuDuzn is Tracker, but he's also scum. There's no strategies that would work with him, as I've already outlined the pitfalls of the Nick scenario. In the event that he's scum, he'll just kill people who aren't me until the game ends or I'm mislynched.

JKMatthews is a non-consecutive commuter, so he's a bit of a wild card. I imagine we can stall the game with no-lynches to a point, but because he's non-consecutive, he'll be the last NK before me if he's town (which is what I think is the case, given vote history).

Uctriton is a Lightning Rod. He could use his ability tonight to suck up the NK, but it'd be pretty worthless and wouldn't prove anything. Also, scum could just do a no-kill gambit to make him waste LR. Given voting patterns, I think that he's scum between not using Lightning Rod for so long and the fact he put my wagon at L-1 and no one else speed-lynched it.

So, here's my reads list:
Nick: Town.
FuDuzn: Scum.
JKMatthews: Town.
Uctriton: Scum.

We are in lylo. FuDuzn is definitely scum. The day's being dragged out right now in hopes for a no lynch because it'll just build tension towards a mislynch.
Here's my predictions for a mislynch scenario.
N3, the kill is on Nick.
N4, the kill is on JK. If it didn't work, then the N5 kill is on JK.
N5, the kill is on me.

Since there's two scum, the only way we can win this game is if we lynch scum today.

Given the cross vote between FuDuzn and I, it's obvious that there's scum there. I've made my case against FuDuzn.
I know discussion has grinded to a halt, but if you guys want to actually talk about things, I should be around.
Again, the only way we win today is if we lynch scum. We can't end the day on a no-lynch or the game will end in a scum-victory.

[Varsoon]

43 : Reading this as a means of pushing for a lynch on the commuter, which could give scum trouble. 51 makes it obv it's not an RVS vote. 53's painting JK as scum.

55 : Scum slip? Seems like this is him telling Maestro he'll be the D1 Kill.

106 : Supports a stubbz shot.

138 : 'tracks' Maestro. Makes a lot of sense for him to say this as scum. Who's gonna prove him wrong? The exchange between him and Chkflip is damning, especially given Chk's conviction that Maestro is lying and scum and Chk's insistence that he isn't. He says Maestro was a scum read, but that's informed in 55 by Maestro wanting his lynch. In fact, Maestro was on the Stubbs wagon, and given the NK on him, it makes plenty of sense for FuDuzn to lie about a track on Maestro to distance himself from the kill while simultaneously trying to set himself up as inquisitive town. Chk later explains off his Vig shot as a reaction test. You can feel FuDuzn's sigh of relief here, and it's pretty interesting that he immediately starts questioning me--the guy he's set up for his lylo mislynch. It's worth noting that the later shot on JK pretty much confirms him as town. He doesn't fidget around it, ask why, or try to damn any other players. He just takes it, gives his alignment, and is done.

196 : Despite how utterly fucking genuine the shot and reaction was on JK, FuDuzn pushes his lynch. Why is JK not town when he's been shot-but-not-really when FuDuzn was making a similar appeal? The logic isn't consistent. If FuDuzn gets to be town-read from the shot reaction test, then shouldn't JK be town-read even harder given how absolutely genuine the second shot was? FuDuzn's pushing an obvious mislynch here, which has become even more obvious as the game's gone on. If JK was scum, I'd by lynched right now and the game would be over. I'm not. Ergo, JK isn't scum.


And that's everything leading up to the 'track' on me today. FuDuzn's been scrambling for mislynches and posturing himself as town via his PR since the onset of the game.
I'm going to reiterate;
VOTE: FuDuzn

[Varsoon]

In this setup with lots of mess going on, I feel like scum would be more likely to vanillaise a tracker or similar that could only work against them rather than something that may aid them...

Tracker can work against town as well, since most of us have powers that target and a tracker could trace that target and misinterpret it as an NK.
Scum, if they were a tracker, could do the same and use that confusion to push mislynches.

Ahem.

The Tracker doesn't post after this until D3, when he tries to use his PR to push my mislynch.

[nickthename]

I'm not totally sure what the point of most of that analysis was, considering if we mislynch or nolynch we just auto-lose, but whatever.
I'd like to hear Fud's reply to 293

My power is pretty useless, but I haven't ever been targeted by anything, so I guess that's nice to know.

[Varsoon]

I'm not totally sure what the point of most of that analysis was, considering if we mislynch or nolynch we just auto-lose, but whatever.
I'd like to hear Fud's reply to 293

My power is pretty useless, but I haven't ever been targeted by anything, so I guess that's nice to know.

I was thinking out loud for awhile before it kinda dawned on be that no matter what, we have to lynch scum today. We can't win OR tie on a no lynch.

[FuDuzn]

43 was a random vote, guess you don't get my sense of humor. It turned serious in 53 after jk tried to manipulate town, and 55 was me agreeing with Maestro and jokingly responding to him calling me names, explain how I was setting up a night kill there please. And holy crap, 106 was a direct response to a question that chk asked about why or not he should shoot stubbs, why did you ignore that and twist it to me wanting stubbs shot? 138 is just a giant bowl of wifom, all you are doing is tailoring a situation to your argument. 196, jk just saw a fake shot on me and instead of acting flabbergasted he acted all cool, how is this a town tell and mine is a scum tell?

Take a step back people and analyze his argument here, that is all I will say.

[Varsoon]

Oh, cool, it was all jokes, then.

Like how your track on me is a joke, too?

You specifically wrote that you want stubbs shot.
I'll go quote it.

Should I shoot Stubbs? Why/why not?

If Stubbs gets off l-1 then maybe shoot him, but don't shoot anyone over him.

"Then maybe shoot him, but don't shoot anyone over him."
So, shoot stubbs before anyone else, especially if a wagon on him doesn't end in a mislynch?

Fucking pro, FuDuzn.

Fu, you don't seem to realize what my points are. In 196, I'm saying that you can't simultaneously be calling yourself town while calling JK scum when both of you were 'shot' and said you were town immediately after. Either it's read the same across the board, or you're employing logic that isn't consistent.

I've already gone to great lengths to explain how JK can't be scum.
Here's a TLDR
He posted (along with Nick) FAR before the Unctriton unvote. If he was scum, it was against his wincon to not just lynch me when I was at L-2.
He didn't.
He's town.
Any earlier 'town-tells' are not validated because of this.

[Varsoon]

Keep lying to town, though. It's helping you out.