Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Patrick]

Hmm. The deadline hits in less than 3 days.

Mod

can we get that extended please in light of the pick up in discussion? Cheers.

[Zindaras]

Adele, the reason I put you in was mostly gut. I think I also said that I needed to do a PbPA on you as well.

[Mgm]

Based on Nightfall's PBPA, I think a

FOS: Fritzler

is in order.

About CDB: I don't remember playing much games with him, so I wanted to know if this was his regular behavior. I could have spend hours going through his previous games and analyse his activity, but I thougt it would be easier, not to mention more informative, to see what others had to say about it.

Asking a question is not the same as fishing for a lynch. There's plenty of negative attention being thrown around; all of which could potentially be used to test the waters for a lynch. Nothing is being said about those.

And really would lynching CDB actually be a bad idea? I wonder why I am attacked for that question. Some people seem convinced he's innocent to the point of protecting CDB fom a lynch. Do they know something I don't?

It's funny how I didn't get an answer after that post got so much attention.

[Zindaras]

CDB, could you link me to a game you played as scum? Preferably one where you played well.

[Mr Stoofer]

Hi everyone, I'm back!

Vote Count

Glork: 2 (Cogito Ergo Sum Mgm)
Mgm: 2 (Glork Patrick)
Thesp: 2 (MrBuddyLee ChannelDelibird )
Adele: 1 (Fritzler)
ChannelDelibird: 1 (Thesp)

Not voting: Adele Ether Nightfall Zindaras

Looking for 7 votes for a lynch!

Deadline rescinded due to increased activity!

[ChannelDelibird]

There's not much good material for assessing my scum play, I'm afraid. I've never been great in a finished game as scum (disclaimer: I may or may not be scum in ongoing games, and whether I am playing well or not may or not have anything to do with that), Zindy, so your best bet would be Mini 368: Town of Suspicion (that's the most recent, anyway. I replaced into that, though, so there won't be loads of material).

My longest time to survive as scum (not including replacing into Town of Suspicion) was in Wheel of Time, where I was an SK. That was one of my first games, though, so my technique has improved/changed since then.

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@ Nightfall - thanks, that was a very helpful PBPA. I'd somehow gotten the impression that Fritzler was posting more than he has been...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Glork: 2 (Cogito Ergo Sum Mgm)
Mgm: 2 (Glork Patrick)
Thesp: 2 (MrBuddyLee ChannelDelibird )

I sense a great disturbance in the force. As if I wasn't bandwagonning properly.

Unvote, vote: Thesp

(I think Mgm is no more likely to be scum than anyone else based on past experiences.)

[Patrick]

(I think Mgm is no more likely to be scum than anyone else based on past experiences.)

On past experiences? He always plays like this?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm not seeing anything really out of the ordinary in his play.

[Adele]

Ok, to comment a bit on your post:

This is interesting. And very strange.

Glork thinks MGM, Thesp, Ether, Adele, possibly CDB are scummy.
Thesp finds CDB scummiest.
Adele supports Glork's suspicions of Ether (though I find it odd that she's not voting for anybody... any reason for the lack of a vote, Adele?)
CDB find Ether, Thesp, and Glork scummy.
MGM finds Glork, CDB scummy.
Ether is gone for a couple more days, but I think I remember her suspecting MGM yesterday.

Glork's really enjoying jumping on people (heck, see his last post for an example). He seems more wanting to find excuses for accusing people than trying to actually figure out who is scum.

I'm just wondering why you quoted that post by Glork when you made that assertion. He wasn't exactly jumping on ppl there, he gave his opinion on how the suspicions of various ppl interwine and how that leads him to believe that there might be one or two lurker scum.

You're right, that was badly constructed; the opinion on Glork wasn't meant to be evidenced by the quote. Rather, the quote's summary interested me and I wanted it on the radar and on hand. After all, it's not like Glork could safely lie in it, is it? So even if he's scum it's still potentially a useful analyitical point.

Incidentally, I'd like to know why you're suspicious of me, especially given that you've just critisised someone for not explaining his suspicions about you.

First off, I didn't actually say "suspicious", but that you were one of the people I'm watching; it's really more igmeoy than FOS. I disagree on so many counts of who you say you trust and distrust, I'm inclined to look more closely at you (and others for whom the same can be said). It's just a constant trickle of your opinions being different to mine, and you pressing points that don't seem worth pressing to me.
I'm still a ways off being ready to vote; like I said earlier, I'm finding the size and verbosity of this game hard going (if it hadn't been for CDB, I'd've just forgotten Fritz was ever in this game), so I need to reread some stuff. The people I'm planning to focus on, though, are Ether, Glork, you (Patrick), CDB and Thesp, like I said; the first three are already people I have some negative feelings about, but I wouldn't go any further than that just yet; it's just gut.

[Patrick]

First off, I didn't actually say "suspicious", but that you were one of the people I'm watching; it's really more igmeoy than FOS. I disagree on so many counts of who you say you trust and distrust, I'm inclined to look more closely at you (and others for whom the same can be said). It's just a constant trickle of your opinions being different to mine, and you pressing points that don't seem worth pressing to me.

It's probably not a coincidence that I feel the same way about you. I took it to mean suspicious because those seemed to be the strongest suspicions you had at that point.

[Fritzler]

Fritz
-Votes Thesp
-Says Andrew is not the play.
-Votes SV
-Works out a deal with CES to lynch Thesp and SV
-A few posts about “why isn’t scum dead yet” and why aren’t more people voting SV
-Says that if there is a second vig they should not kill anyone in order to reveal whether SV is mafia or not. He also votes Andrew.

Fritz’s last post is the only one I see of his to really contribute much of anything. For the record I agree with his comment though, and consider it more of a sign of townie than of scum.

On the topic of Fritz I must ask, why of all the talk about how I am “lurking” or “not bothering to post” and of how CDB is “attempting to make it look like he is contributing” why isn’t more attention being given to the fact that Fritz too has contributed very little?

cuz one of us is kind of a big deal

people know (one of) us

COME ON

[Nightfall]

I'm not fealing that great physically this evening, maybe Fritz's comment will be clearer to me in the morning?...

[Fritzler]

Based on Nightfall's PBPA, I think a

FOS: Fritzler

is in order.

FOS: MGM

[Fritzler]

My longest time to survive as scum (not including replacing into Town of Suspicion) was in Wheel of Time, where I was an SK. That was one of my first games, though, so my technique has improved/changed since then.

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@ Nightfall - thanks, that was a very helpful PBPA. I'd somehow gotten the impression that Fritzler was posting more than he has been...

have you really improved it if you haven't been able to beat your record for longest time survived as scum

also, its becausei've been helping the town, and i have the most memorable posts (and been lost in glork's eyes)

[Glork]

Based on Nightfall's PBPA, I think a

FOS: Fritzler

is in order.

FOS: MGM

:GOODPOSTING:

[Adele]

also, its becausei've been helping the town, and i have the most memorable posts (and been lost in glork's eyes)

You focuesed yesterday hard on SV and AndrewS; both town (which is not to say that others didn't make the same error). In any case, you still need to hang out and say stuff, you know.

Not like you to be a wallflower.

[Fritzler]

also, its becausei've been helping the town, and i have the most memorable posts

(and been lost in glork's eyes)

You focuesed yesterday hard on SV and AndrewS; both town (which is not to say that others didn't make the same error). In any case, you still need to hang out and say stuff, you know.

Not like you to be a wallflower.

bolded important part

btw

fos: adele

[Adele]

...are you claiming a PR? If you are allowed to contribute, it'd be really great if you still would, what with the whole "town needing to work together" thing.

[Mgm]

Based on Nightfall's PBPA, I think a

FOS: Fritzler

is in order.

FOS: MGM

:GOODPOSTING:

Nonsense. Try isolating his posts and see how much he really contributed.

[Adele]

Mgm pls read 617. This is a blind alley.

[Mgm]

Memorable doesn't neccesarily mean helpful.

[Mgm]

Besides, it's just a FOS. If the substance of his posts increases in comparison to his last few, that FOS could easily disappear again.

[Adele]

I too would like to hear more helpful things from Fritz. What I'm saying is, I don't think the lack of them so far is something to get hung up about.

[Mgm]

In that case, we seem to agree.