Micro 215: Shitty Joke Smalltown (over)

[Varsoon]

Maestro took the role I wanted the most. Fuck.

Guess I'll grab, uh... Loved?

I would pick Bodyguard but you rubes ain't worth defendin'.

[Varsoon]

Just woke up. My internet was down last night.
I'll catch up later today.
My eyes hurt.

[Varsoon]

Vote: Stubbs

I want Maestro to neighbor me, regardless of alignment.
I want to have a QT.

[Varsoon]

Maybe he never got his action in?

It's happened to me before in games. I forget they exist or I'm busy when I need to submit something like a cop or a track.

[Varsoon]

Prodding Varsoon

Wow, this is, uh, the first time this has happened.
Huh.

I've been pretty busy, but, yeah, that vig shot was uncalled for.
In fact, why the fuck are you trying to justify it?

[Varsoon]

I don't buy any twilight reactions anymore on mafiascum as worth anything

This.

Other sites vary, but scum tends to be tenacious on this site.

[Varsoon]

Nope.

[Varsoon]

Nice buzz.
What info did you get from it again?

[Varsoon]

Why?
On both clauses.

[Varsoon]

What was town motivated about his flip-out?


Why haven't people been active, especially on D2?

[Varsoon]

Yeah.
Why aren't other players posting in the forum?

[Varsoon]

It's a disappearing trick, methinks.

[Varsoon]

I loathe dayvigs. Very disruptive.

I feel you on this.
Also, it's a very anti-town power anyway.
If scum rolls it, they get kills in the day and night.
If town rolls it, they end up killing townies most of the time anyway.

[Varsoon]

In this setup with lots of mess going on, I feel like scum would be more likely to vanillaise a tracker or similar that could only work against them rather than something that may aid them...

Tracker can work against town as well, since most of us have powers that target and a tracker could trace that target and misinterpret it as an NK.
Scum, if they were a tracker, could do the same and use that confusion to push mislynches.

[Varsoon]

No, it addresses your point, somewhat. Allow me to be more direct:
NS could look more town by vanilla-ing players who are 'anti-town'.

[Varsoon]

I'm not leaving, but I'm not really going to play either.

VOTE: chkflip

Then you're a part of the problem.

[Varsoon]

Hilarious.
The same can be said about you.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, CHK is scum.
He tried the daykill thinking he wasn't vanilla'd.
His reason for the daykill were miserable.
He tried to play it off like a reaction test.
It wasn't.
His artifice is really transparent.

[Varsoon]

So I tracked Varsoon to NS.

VOTE: Varsoon

Sounds like the perfect way for scum to win a Lylo setup when everyone knows everyone's roles.

VOTE: FuDuzn

My role doesn't target people, you can't track me to anything.

[Varsoon]

Vote: Varsoon

Worthless sheep. You're probably scum with Fuduzn.

[Varsoon]

Exactly Varsoon, so when I track you to NS it is pretty clear you killed him.

Which is why this is the perfect gambit for scum to play during Lylo. Who's going to quicklynch you when I flip town? No one. You'll have won.

[Varsoon]

Speaking of, why didn't you mention tracking anyone before today? I mean, other than Maestro, who died the same night you 'tracked' him?

[Varsoon]

For some reason, I thought there were 3 nights.

Regardless, the fact you're bringing exclusive knowledge into the game at such a critical moment is pretty frustrating, especially given that I'm town.

[Varsoon]

Look, there's only a handful of scenarios that work here:

1. You're scum and I'm town. This lynch goes through and you win.
2. You're scum and I'm scum. This lynch goes through, you're read as town, and you probably win the next day.
3. You're town and I'm town. You're lying in lylo, highly unlikely.
4. You're town and I'm scum. I can't be lynched so long as the other scum doesn't bus me due to my ability.

Since I know I'm town, we can scratch 2 and 4. Since you've got to play towards your wincon, we can scratch 3. Ergo, you're pushing a lynch based solely on exclusive evidence that you can't prove. It's the perfect mislynch to win this lylo for scum. As town, it makes no sense, especially given scenario 4.

[Varsoon]

Aaaaah, didn't read the fine print.
Guess that makes his push for my lynch more sensible, from a FuDuzn-scum standpoint.

[Varsoon]

Please, PLEASE don't answer questions aimed at other people during LyLo.

I think both you and Varsoon are acting strangely given the situation, I'm not sold either way

Normally, I wouldn't be so concerned, but the fact I was almost quicklynched in Lylo is a bit to unnerve me.

[Varsoon]

It's not your concern. It's the way you're phrasing your arguments in a situation where you should just be saying "well I'm town so FuDuzn's scum"

That's what I am saying, though.
Of course, me saying I'm town holds about as much weight as FuDuzn saying he tracked me to a kill.
So, yeah.

[Varsoon]

Uct, that's the same thing that's got me worried. Why wasn't I just quick-lynched after both the votes on me?
In that space of time, JK and Nick both posted but didn't lynch me.
Therefore, I can deduce neither of them are scum.
That only leaves Fuduzn and you, Uct.
Given the nature of Fuduzn's vote and use of exclusive evidence to push the wagon on me, I'm 100% sure he's scum.
However, PoE leads me to believe that you're scum with him, Uct.

[Varsoon]

It's lylo and being wishy washy didn't work until now--what makes you think it'd work now?

[Varsoon]

Lylo's not the time to be unclear.

[Varsoon]

It's also painfully blunt and relies on the same logic FuDuzn is using to get my lynched.

[Varsoon]

Someone asked why I tracked Varsoon, it was a couple reasons. First he was wishy washy and basically ignored the fake big kill on me, it is like he was staying far away from him so not to commute himself one way or another. Also since he has a passive role I knew if he visited someone that only meant he was there to kill someone, no gray area.

I understand that there is literally nothing I can do to prove that I am telling the truth, but I will give you some circumstantial evidence. Me faking like I have been killed when I knew I wasn't would be a great play if the vig or the vanilla-iser was my scum buddy, which clearly they cannot be. And if I was scum wouldn't I keep both of them alive if I could help it to further along the charade? I would have these things planned out, knowing roles would be so beneficial to scum, guess Varsoon didn't think things through here.

Or, because you're aware that'd make you seem more 'town' as scum, you didn't do it specifically so you could say "hey guys, I didn't do this scummy thing". It's a higher level of WIFOM play, which explains why you'd do sub-optimal scum strategies. Instead of enforcing a hard-boiled scum agenda that could be trailed, you're appealing to town sensibilities. This is typically what level 3/4 scum play is like.

[Varsoon]

Unless you and FuDuzn are both scum.

[Varsoon]

Given the play so far, if everyone in this thread is playing to their wincon, the scum is between me, uctriton, and Fuduzn.
I am town, and given FuDuzn's 'track' of me, he's definitely scum.

[Varsoon]

Balls in your court.
I'll be around if you have anything to ask, instead of letting the day wither out.

[Varsoon]

Yo, I'm here.
This game has slowed to a crawl because of indecisiveness on town's part.
I've been mulling over the setup, so here's the conclusions I've come to;

Here's the alive:
nickthename, self-watcher
Varsoon, loved
FuDuzn, tracker
JKMatthews, non-consecutive commuter
uctriton00, lightning rod

Let's review some no-lynch strategies.
Nick's a self-watcher. His only use at this point would be to confirm if he was targeted. This would be priceless in proving if FuDuzn was scum or not--but there's two pitfalls to that.
Pitfall 1 is that Scum could just NK Nick.
Now, you might say "But Uctriton could Lightning Rod!" Too bad that'd redirect the NK -and- the Track to Uctriton.
Pitfall 2 is that if Nick is scum, the whole thing is out the window. He could lie about the track not happening to get a mislynch on FuDuzn, or, in the more likely scenario of FuDuzn being scum as well, he could lie about being tracked and vindicate his scum partner.

Ergo, there's no play around Nick that would benefit town if we no-lynched. Since there's so many unknown variables and since scum really has control in this situation, there's no checks and balances.

I'm Loved, which does nothing in MyLo or LyLo. Any strategies involving my PR are out.

FuDuzn is Tracker, but he's also scum. There's no strategies that would work with him, as I've already outlined the pitfalls of the Nick scenario. In the event that he's scum, he'll just kill people who aren't me until the game ends or I'm mislynched.

JKMatthews is a non-consecutive commuter, so he's a bit of a wild card. I imagine we can stall the game with no-lynches to a point, but because he's non-consecutive, he'll be the last NK before me if he's town (which is what I think is the case, given vote history).

Uctriton is a Lightning Rod. He could use his ability tonight to suck up the NK, but it'd be pretty worthless and wouldn't prove anything. Also, scum could just do a no-kill gambit to make him waste LR. Given voting patterns, I think that he's scum between not using Lightning Rod for so long and the fact he put my wagon at L-1 and no one else speed-lynched it.

So, here's my reads list:
Nick: Town.
FuDuzn: Scum.
JKMatthews: Town.
Uctriton: Scum.

We are in lylo. FuDuzn is definitely scum. The day's being dragged out right now in hopes for a no lynch because it'll just build tension towards a mislynch.
Here's my predictions for a mislynch scenario.
N3, the kill is on Nick.
N4, the kill is on JK. If it didn't work, then the N5 kill is on JK.
N5, the kill is on me.

Since there's two scum, the only way we can win this game is if we lynch scum today.

Given the cross vote between FuDuzn and I, it's obvious that there's scum there. I've made my case against FuDuzn.
I know discussion has grinded to a halt, but if you guys want to actually talk about things, I should be around.
Again, the only way we win today is if we lynch scum. We can't end the day on a no-lynch or the game will end in a scum-victory.

[Varsoon]

43 : Reading this as a means of pushing for a lynch on the commuter, which could give scum trouble. 51 makes it obv it's not an RVS vote. 53's painting JK as scum.

55 : Scum slip? Seems like this is him telling Maestro he'll be the D1 Kill.

106 : Supports a stubbz shot.

138 : 'tracks' Maestro. Makes a lot of sense for him to say this as scum. Who's gonna prove him wrong? The exchange between him and Chkflip is damning, especially given Chk's conviction that Maestro is lying and scum and Chk's insistence that he isn't. He says Maestro was a scum read, but that's informed in 55 by Maestro wanting his lynch. In fact, Maestro was on the Stubbs wagon, and given the NK on him, it makes plenty of sense for FuDuzn to lie about a track on Maestro to distance himself from the kill while simultaneously trying to set himself up as inquisitive town. Chk later explains off his Vig shot as a reaction test. You can feel FuDuzn's sigh of relief here, and it's pretty interesting that he immediately starts questioning me--the guy he's set up for his lylo mislynch. It's worth noting that the later shot on JK pretty much confirms him as town. He doesn't fidget around it, ask why, or try to damn any other players. He just takes it, gives his alignment, and is done.

196 : Despite how utterly fucking genuine the shot and reaction was on JK, FuDuzn pushes his lynch. Why is JK not town when he's been shot-but-not-really when FuDuzn was making a similar appeal? The logic isn't consistent. If FuDuzn gets to be town-read from the shot reaction test, then shouldn't JK be town-read even harder given how absolutely genuine the second shot was? FuDuzn's pushing an obvious mislynch here, which has become even more obvious as the game's gone on. If JK was scum, I'd by lynched right now and the game would be over. I'm not. Ergo, JK isn't scum.


And that's everything leading up to the 'track' on me today. FuDuzn's been scrambling for mislynches and posturing himself as town via his PR since the onset of the game.
I'm going to reiterate;
VOTE: FuDuzn

[Varsoon]

In this setup with lots of mess going on, I feel like scum would be more likely to vanillaise a tracker or similar that could only work against them rather than something that may aid them...

Tracker can work against town as well, since most of us have powers that target and a tracker could trace that target and misinterpret it as an NK.
Scum, if they were a tracker, could do the same and use that confusion to push mislynches.

Ahem.

The Tracker doesn't post after this until D3, when he tries to use his PR to push my mislynch.

[Varsoon]

I'm not totally sure what the point of most of that analysis was, considering if we mislynch or nolynch we just auto-lose, but whatever.
I'd like to hear Fud's reply to 293

My power is pretty useless, but I haven't ever been targeted by anything, so I guess that's nice to know.

I was thinking out loud for awhile before it kinda dawned on be that no matter what, we have to lynch scum today. We can't win OR tie on a no lynch.

[Varsoon]

Oh, cool, it was all jokes, then.

Like how your track on me is a joke, too?

You specifically wrote that you want stubbs shot.
I'll go quote it.

Should I shoot Stubbs? Why/why not?

If Stubbs gets off l-1 then maybe shoot him, but don't shoot anyone over him.

"Then maybe shoot him, but don't shoot anyone over him."
So, shoot stubbs before anyone else, especially if a wagon on him doesn't end in a mislynch?

Fucking pro, FuDuzn.

Fu, you don't seem to realize what my points are. In 196, I'm saying that you can't simultaneously be calling yourself town while calling JK scum when both of you were 'shot' and said you were town immediately after. Either it's read the same across the board, or you're employing logic that isn't consistent.

I've already gone to great lengths to explain how JK can't be scum.
Here's a TLDR
He posted (along with Nick) FAR before the Unctriton unvote. If he was scum, it was against his wincon to not just lynch me when I was at L-2.
He didn't.
He's town.
Any earlier 'town-tells' are not validated because of this.

[Varsoon]

Keep lying to town, though. It's helping you out.

[Varsoon]

FuDuzn, that's what a mislynch is. You know I'm town. You don't have to convince JK of shit. If Nick hammers me, it's just as good for you.

I don't need to find other scum today--I already got you right here.

[Varsoon]

And don't talk about me for your next post, talk about Varsoon.

Hahahahahaha

[Varsoon]

Fu, I've said that I'd be here any time anyone wanted to ask me anything. I'm more than receptive, and I've done some actual digging on my case, rather than just saying that you're scum.
Who knows, though, because maybe if you just keep shouting that I'm scum over and over while misrepresenting me here so I look like I'm somehow not engaged, maybe--just maybe--you'll mislynch me.

[Varsoon]

Of course, I'm reading this as "Varsoon doesn't want to engage JK"
If you mean the opposite, that JK doesn't want to engage me, well, it's not like I'm unavailable.
Besides, JK's 308 is a solid response to that.

[Varsoon]

No, be because if I am scum and get a mislynch I still have to worry about Tomorrow.

I would be big time focused on just getting one mislynchbtoday

, lime what you are doing. You are all in on me because you have no other choice, back up against wall and

you have no other choice but to discredit the one person who you can possibly push a mislynch on.

I already know he is scum, Varsoon already knows he is scum......don't you see in your eyes he is scum as well?

And don't talk about me for your next post, talk about Varsoon.

Ahem. Please, continue posting. It's amusing, you know?
I like watching you constantly define what is 'scummy' about my play, only for you to immediately do those exact things.

[Varsoon]

Hahah, you're calling your own posts townslips now?

Put yourself in my position, FuDuzn. I'm town. It's LyLo. There's two scum alive. Someone says they tracked me to the NK when I'm confirmed to have a PR that doesn't target people.
Of course I'm pushing your lynch. You're scum.

[Varsoon]

I am out for awhile.

Probably a good idea. You seem exasperated from all the scrambling you've been doing.

[Varsoon]

Why do I feel like such a rejected

Lover

?

[Varsoon]

Spoiler:

Honestly, though, I know this isn't the place for it, but a girl I just got really close to broke it off with me right after things got intimate.
It's... pretty shitty.

[Varsoon]

Haha, can always rely on these shitty jokes to pick me up from my low.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, that's one of the best ones yet.

[Varsoon]

I voted Varsoon

If he's a townie, the game is over because scum double up on my vote

The game didn't end

I mean I can't figure any way around that

The fact I am not dead right now proves that neither Nick or JK is scum.

We've already been over this.
FuDuzn, it's your loss.
Uctriton and you couldn't be more obvious.

[Varsoon]

The fact I am not dead right now proves that neither Nick or JK is scum.

How? Couldn't JK or I be scum with you?

That'd make sense

if

I was scum.
Since I'm town, I know it's not the case.

I've laid out my case on FuDuzn.
It's pretty clear that he and Unctriton want to make it look like the last two scum are me and JK.
Any argument that can go one way can go the other.

[Varsoon]

It's my win, FuDuzn.

[Varsoon]

Yes, N, it made my day. I loved it.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, it's just a shit move.

And we had such a good Lylo play. If I was lynched, everyone would WIFOM into either FuDuzn bussing me or JK being my partner.

[Varsoon]

Mwahaha~

Chkflip, I'm glad you were unable to shoot FuDuzn. It set me up for the perfect victory. :3