I think your reasoning and logic is poor, but I also think masterchief-angus-delibird are the scum so I'm going to drop it.Zindaras wrote: I'm saying you should be lynched regardless of whatever Angus's alignment is. I'm simply adding it as another argument.
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Your post is entirely relevant - because it shows that if you are voting me for backing up a defense that wasn't there, then you are a hypocrite for attacking said defense.Jack wrote:My post is irrelevant. You aren't answering the charge against you. If I said there was a defense, and you said the defense was sensible, you must have read such a defense and agreed with it. But if there was no defense for you to read (whether I said there was or not), then you didn't really agree with anything. What part of zindies post was a defense of angus that you thought was sensible?
You called it a defense, I put it in your terms.
I don't have time right now to respond to the entirety of your post (it's getting late and I am going to bed) but my general feeling upon reading it through was "that's bollocks".#greenshirtthursdays-
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That's a seperate issue to the one that was raised. You agreed with a defense thatChannelDelibird wrote:
Your post is entirely relevant - because it shows that if you are voting me for backing up a defense that wasn't there, then you are a hypocrite for attacking said defense.Jack wrote:My post is irrelevant. You aren't answering the charge against you. If I said there was a defense, and you said the defense was sensible, you must have read such a defense and agreed with it. But if there was no defense for you to read (whether I said there was or not), then you didn't really agree with anything. What part of zindies post was a defense of angus that you thought was sensible?
You called it a defense, I put it in your terms.
I don't have time right now to respond to the entirety of your post (it's getting late and I am going to bed) but my general feeling upon reading it through was "that's bollocks".wasn't there. I called it a defense of angus in the way that "the best defense is a good offense", but that can't be the kind of defense you were referring to (ie it's not an explanation of why angus wasn't scum). Your evasion on this is noted.
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Jack- 4 - Zindaras, ChannelDelibird, milkman, Twito
AngusHutchsky- 2 - Y, HurriKaty
Y- 2 - AngusHutchsky, Coron
Those who have forgotten they're in the chat room- 3 - AniX, draygn_mage, Jack
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Did I sign up to replace for this? Did I really? Man, I totally forgot. Was I drunk at the time? Did Alko slip like cocaine into my drink and then ask me?
Uhh...I mean...I DESCEND FROM THE HEAVENS UPON THIS GAME. I AM JUSTICE...I AM LAW...I AM ONE OF MANY AND MANY OF ONE! I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA! MR. 11TH HOUR HAS ARRIVED AT THIS GAME!
Ok, I really need toread this gameexamine this game with my awesome powers of deduction.Official Gimmick List:
INVENTOR OF UPICK!LORD OF THE 11TH HOUR!ASEXUAL!KING SCAR APOLOGIST!DREAMER OF THE NE0N DREAM (SUPP 2021 LAST PLACE WINNER)!
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AniX wrote:Did I sign up to replace for this? Did I really? Man, I totally forgot. Was I drunk at the time? Did Alko slip like cocaine into my drink and then ask me?
Uhh...I mean...I DESCEND FROM THE HEAVENS UPON THIS GAME. I AM JUSTICE...I AM LAW...I AM ONE OF MANY AND MANY OF ONE! I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA! MR. 11TH HOUR HAS ARRIVED AT THIS GAME!
Ok, I really need toread this gameexamine this game with my awesome powers of deduction.HALLELUJAH!
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In other news, HurriKaty, do you really consider 1 night the only chance we can afford to take on somebody who could be at best a confirmed innocent?#greenshirtthursdays-
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WOW... The game's alive again...
Two things for now:
1. I think AH is scum. I don't think him posting a painting proves anything about his alignment.
But, I can give him another night. Him posting a painting (or not doing so) might contain good info.
2. I'm leaning towards Jack being scum (if we deside, as it appears, not to lynch AH today). I realy don't like the "We know exactly how many mafiosos there are in a game that's suposed to be weird and not conventional and we can rely on that" thing.
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Jack, one disclaimer, if you come up town, I will indeed be looking heavily at the people you suspected, and also a bit at a couple of others.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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This game is supposed to be weird and not conventional?Y wrote: 2. I'm leaning towards Jack being scum (if we deside, as it appears, not to lynch AH today). I realy don't like the "We know exactly how many mafiosos there are in a game that's suposed to be weird and not conventional and we can rely on that" thing.
I would say that the lack of kill last night indicates only one killing party. I don't see their being 2 or 4 scum in a 12 player game. This isn't a wild out of nowhere guess.-
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Thanks.Zindaras wrote:Jack, one disclaimer, if you come up town, I will indeed be looking heavily at the people you suspected, and also a bit at a couple of others.
I'd like to request that we do any further discussion at lynch -2 not lynch -1. If angus is scum he knows he's toast tomorrow and will probably hammer.-
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You are at lynch-2, if I'm reading the vote count correctly.
There was no Mafia kill, remember?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Well... to be short.. yes?ChannelDelibird wrote:
In other news, HurriKaty, do you really consider 1 night the only chance we can afford to take on somebody who could be at best a confirmed innocent?
Basically, he was about to be lynched, we gave him a chance to claim. He claimed, we believed him, then we gave him a chance to live and prove himself.
He didnt.
I don't see how anyone who was town couldn't waste FIVE minutes to draw up a crappy photo in paint and send it in.HurriKaty: *runs over Nightson with a mack truck*
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I'm eager because you're at lynch -2, 3 days before deadline. I want us to have enough discussion time about your claim before deadline, and I really don't see this not ending up in a claim, frankly.Jack wrote:
Also, why are you so eager? Half the people on my wagon haven't even commented since I started defending myself.ChannelDelibird wrote:Jack, I think you should claim.
@Zindaras: Yes I know. Y mentioned putting me at -1 which would be a bad idea.
Translation: "O SNAP, I called it a defense too? Um...I meant it in a different way! Honest! But I, uh... knew what you were thinking and you didn't! YEAH! "Jack wrote:That's a seperate issue to the one that was raised. You agreed with a defense that wasn't there. I called it a defense of angus in the way that "the best defense is a good offense", but that can't be the kind of defense you were referring to (ie it's not an explanation of why angus wasn't scum). Your evasion on this is noted.
Agreeing with someone without looking at their post closely is exactly what scum do when contriving an argument.
Come on.#greenshirtthursdays-
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Katykatykatykatykaty.
Who do you think is scum, besides Angus?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Unfortunately for you, everyone else can read.ChannelDelibird wrote:
Translation: "O SNAP, I called it a defense too? Um...I meant it in a different way! Honest! But I, uh... knew what you were thinking and you didn't! YEAH! "Jack wrote:That's a seperate issue to the one that was raised. You agreed with a defense that wasn't there. I called it a defense of angus in the way that "the best defense is a good offense", but that can't be the kind of defense you were referring to (ie it's not an explanation of why angus wasn't scum). Your evasion on this is noted.
Agreeing with someone without looking at their post closely is exactly what scum do when contriving an argument.
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Jack, I think it'd be a good idea if you claimed. We're a bit too close to deadline to take risks.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I think you're more likely scum than Angus because:
-You've been pushing awful hard for his lynch despite him being given one more night to clear himself or get lynched being a reasonable thing to do.
-You took the heat off a scummy player, StallingChamp, in order to go after a lurker (easy option for scum).
-In voting for that lurker you ignored others who were doing the same thing.
-I feel your defense has been in places poor (particularly concering the lurker issue) and your latest part of that defense ("unfortunately for you, everyone else can read") is another good example. Before anyone else has actually given their view on the post I was commenting on you say they think differently (which you can't know).
-Despite having 4 votes on you and being very near to deadline, you've refused to claim. I think you're stalling (maybe because you don't know what's a credible claim for this game).#greenshirtthursdays-
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