Open 10 -- C9: Game Over! - before 400

[Ripley]

Alright. 1, how does me asking a simple question make it scummy?

I thought I explained why I didn't like it pretty well already, but OK, let's go through it again.

You asked a question where the answer was a fact (i.e. not an opinion) and where this answer was clearly and easily available to you. This is unnatural behavior. You just needed to scroll up the page to see when CES hammered, and to click on Page 5 to see when the deadline was. As I said already, the whole process of finding the answer to your question takes less time than writing a post asking it. If you really thought the matter was of interest, why would you not just

look

? That is the natural thing to do.

It is normal to ask questions when one doesn't have access to the answer. It is normal to ask questions that have no definitive answer but to which you want to hear other people's opinions. It is odd to ask a question of fact where you do have access to the answer. I hope this clarifies things sufficiently for you.

Ripley, please explain your logic on how I am scum because of the so called "awful" vote on you, in a dead game....

Look, people get away with voting for all sorts of dumb reasons so when a vote attracts as much negative attention as yours did it has to be especially weak. It's not just my opinion, it got you a vote and a FOS from other people:

FOS: IH.

I totally didn't understand his post, which is very un-IH. It smells to me like an excuse to vote Ripley. I don't think discussion is a scum-tell, it's lurking/non-commitalness which is a scum-tell.

Hmm yeah weird move by IH. Not necessarily scummy as I usually see IH in my minds eye going for the easier targets as scum, and I don't think Ripley has done anything to make himself an easy target, but still needs explaining better.

I don't think I've played enough with IH to have my own metagame read on him yet, but frankly I think his Ripley vote was weird. By my read of it, the post by Ripley that he was responding to contained a couple of well-made points (that I don't necessarily agree with totally; I'll expand on that in a moment) and IH's vote really stuck out like a sore thumb.

vote: IH because it's easily the scummiest thing this game, but I'm still trying to decide just how scummy it actually is.

I've included Patrick's post which is not wholly unfavorable to you out of fairness, but notice how even he found your vote weird enough to be worth commenting on. So, basically, there are other people found this vote at best commentworthy and at worst scummy.

[spectrumvoid]

2.I'm pretty sure that you took SV's answer the wrong way.... Usually someone doesn't hammer until they're two days away from Deadline at least.

QFT.

I'm still unhappy with CES's hammer, and I'd like more evidence that CES is a 100% lynch all claimed docs person.

[IH]

Ok Ripley. Essentially your logic for me being suspicious is...

I'm lazy.
Some other people thought it was suspicious, so I'm going to say it too.

Did I get that right or not?

[ChannelDelibird]

Ok Ripley. Essentially your logic for me being suspicious is...

I'm lazy.
Some other people thought it was suspicious, so I'm going to say it too.

Did I get that right or not?

That's not the impression I got...

[IH]

It's how I seem to be seeing it. I asked a question, which I would have to go back a page or two. Instead of doing as such, I asked a question. This is apparently odd. If it is odd, it is only because I am lazy.

Look, people get away with voting for all sorts of dumb reasons so when a vote attracts as much negative attention as yours did it has to be especially weak. It's not just my opinion, it got you a vote and a FOS from other people:

My vote got negative attention, so it must have been weak. If you don't believe that it got negative attention, look at this, where some people said so!

Seriously.

[ChannelDelibird]

It's how I seem to be seeing it. I asked a question, which I would have to go back a page or two. Instead of doing as such, I asked a question. This is apparently odd. If it is odd, it is only because I am lazy.

Look, people get away with voting for all sorts of dumb reasons so when a vote attracts as much negative attention as yours did it has to be especially weak. It's not just my opinion, it got you a vote and a FOS from other people:

My vote got negative attention, so it must have been weak. If you don't believe that it got negative attention, look at this, where some people said so!

Seriously.

OK, I get where you're coming from. It looked more to me that Ripley was concentrating on your voting for him yesterday (at least, that's what his most recent post looked like to me), with the laziness thing tacked on. For what it's worth I'm not bothered about you asking about the deadline - I do that sort of thing quite often. I do however still feel that your vote yesterday for Ripley was weak.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

and I'd like more evidence that CES is a 100% lynch all claimed docs person.

Off the top of my head, I lynched a doc(inHim) Day 1 in my first newbie, I lynched doc-claiming scum(Iammars) Day 1 in Choose Your Own Role Mafia and I memorably argued for lynching the claimed doctor from Day 2 onwards till my lynch(Day 4, I think?). Of course I was scum in Payola, but so was the claimed doctor(who went on to win the game for the scum).

[ChannelDelibird]

*cough*

I'm unenthusiastic about going after CES today. I'm thinking more about Ripley - the more I think about it, the more unhappy I am that we let ourselves do an essentially random lynch, which Ripley had a lot to do with.

[spectrumvoid]

Interesting avatar.

I'll buy the CES lynching claimed-doc bit for now.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

My gut is telling me Channel is scum. But I'm not sure why nor do I particularly trust my gut.

[ChannelDelibird]

My gut is telling me Channel is scum. But I'm not sure why nor do I particularly trust my gut.

I don't think you're maintaining a very good diet.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Gasp! Ad Hominem!

[ChannelDelibird]

If we don't get an upturn in discussion I might actually vote Ripley. I don't really have anything to add to what I've already said.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You could confess.

All in favour of lynching ChannelDelibird, say "YARR!".

YARR!

[ChannelDelibird]

So your gut > dodgy Ripley town-leading?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Overall, I think Ripley is less scummy than you. He sounds sincere, especially that last post.

[ChannelDelibird]

Tell me then why you feel I am scummy.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

See [159].

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I also get the feeling you voted no lynch only as a WIFOM gambit. I don't see you doing as town, but I have seen people fall for this type of stunt before.

[ChannelDelibird]

As you say, WIFOM. Besides, I don't know where you're basing your obviously metagame feeling that I wouldn't do it as town...there's no basis for whether I would do it as town or as scum because I've never been in a game that was that slow before.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Besides, I don't know where you're basing your obviously metagame feeling that I wouldn't do it as town...there's no basis for whether I would do it as town or as scum because I've never been in a game that was that slow before.

Extrapolation based on observation.

I think it's time for me to risk the game on a gut feeling. (It's not like anyone else has the guts to place a vote anyhow.)

Vote: ChannelDelibird

[ChannelDelibird]

No, bad idea. I'm gonna claim now.

I'm the Cop. I have an innocent on CES, so I know the two scum are still out there to quicklynch.

Unvote me, NOW.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Fine.

Unvote

, I need to think on this.

[Ripley]

I'm inclined to believe this claim since IH/SV were my two picks for the day anyway. Not that I have the greatest record for picking out scum, admittedly.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'll look at doing some PBPAs of the other three players during this week. Ripley will probably be first, no real order for IH/voidybuns.