Open 520: Stacking the Deck Part II - Game Over...Mafia Win!

[Mutleyddmc]

FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL ignoring good question about why scum would PL an IC and bring attention FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL

[Mutleyddmc]

Just to let you know all you have on me is that I said I wanted to lynch the IC.

Great case.

[Sakura Hana]

bubba: can you give me the scum motivation behind mutley explicitly saying "I would want to lynch the IC just for being useless?"

[Mutleyddmc]

249 is to me you admitting you are scum. SoM called you town for giving off a town tell in the whole lynch me crap and hard to fake scum emotion. So you've gone overboard on it and tried to make it seem you are getting wound up over me being scum

[Sakura Hana]

SoM called you town for giving off a town tell in the whole lynch me crap and

easy

to fake scum emotion.

FTFY

[bubbajack8]

bubba: can you give me the scum motivation behind mutley explicitly saying "I would want to lynch the IC just for being useless?"

He (And Jacob) Were attacking the IC, in an obvious attempt to discredit what he was saying.

He said no one said to lynch the IC, so I shoved his own comment in his face and he came up with that bullshit.

They also keep saying they want the IC dead, because then he can't accuse them either. It's all self preservation.

249 is to me you admitting you are scum. SoM called you town for giving off a town tell in the whole lynch me crap and hard to fake scum emotion. So you've gone overboard on it and tried to make it seem you are getting wound up over me being scum

To all 3 of your comments: Fuck Off.

[Mutleyddmc]

I actually said no one is advocating it. Meaning no one is actually going to do it.
Just cos someone is conf town doesn't mean he is right. We are allowed to discredit his arguements and reasoning

[Mutleyddmc]

In fact as we know the IC is only doing things for town reasons, we need to discredit him when he is being stupid. As we know this guy isn't doing it cos he is scum.

[bubbajack8]

Fuck off.

Only stupid cause he's against you.

Fuck Off.

[Faraday]

Vote Count 1.06

Bubbajack8 (6) - JasonWazza, Sakura Hana, fuzzybutternut, elleheathen, anorway, Muttleyddmc

Muttleyddmc (2) - jsmith1234, bubbajack8
awestfie (1) - qwertyuiop
TheGreatOne (1) - SoundsofMusic

Not Voting (2) - awestfie, TheGreatOne

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, August 21, 2013, at 2:00 AM CDT (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2013-08-21 02:00:00).

Please try and keep it relatively civil, thanks. Telling someone to repeatedly fuck off isn't "civil".

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol no stupid cos he was saying we should lynch based on experience

[Mutleyddmc]

You need to realise conf town =/= right or this game would be over in seconds

[bubbajack8]

I'm not saying conf town = right Jesus.

You can discredit arguments I don't care.

It's scummy to not care if a clear dies, because then all his future arguments automatically don't matter.

Now stop going in fucking circles.

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm a dog I love going in circles.
But I don't care if he dies if he is going to try and lynch on weird reasons. That won't help is if it goes to lylo

[bubbajack8]

It won't help you Mr. scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol having someone with that logic is scum heaven in Lylo

[fuzzybutternut]

Bubba-No ad hominem ffs.
This is the kinda thing scum does right here.

[bubbajack8]

I don't even know what that is. Sooo.

[fuzzybutternut]

This, what you're doing right now, is what scum does. Learn from it. After you die, of course.

[bubbajack8]

I'm town though, so one of these things ain't like the others.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm town though, so one of these things ain't like the others.

Said every scum in the history of Mafia.

[bubbajack8]

[elleheathen]

Admittedly, I'm

slacking

behind. RL. </3

So apologies in advance for the quote walls to come.

Now, first thing.

Why would you even claim right now, bubba? Unknown setup, Day 1, no pressure. Unless you're scum trying to either out our real PR's or because you don't think you'll be counter-claimed this early, I'm not getting it. Reasoning please?

I didn't claim?

Oh so, this isn't you?:

And that would be blue blood on your hands.

My bad.

That's alignment. Not role.

Can I get an outside perspective on this at all? Is 'blue blood' a typical reference for town alignment here? My initial response to this is pretty much 'OhfuckI'mdumb' but given what followed, I wouldn't mind hearing someone else's take on this. I don't think it'll matter much now because my read (to follow) is a bit stronger now than it was then but be good to know if only for future reference...

[elleheathen]

Second:

I was the first one to come out and say that if he hadn't been the IC, that jsmith would have been my lynch target.
What's the difference between what I said and what Mutley and/or Jason said besides perhaps maybe tone? Without a vote behind it, it's trivial.

I say it here and am not attacked for it:

had you not been IC, I'd have really questionned (and wasted a shitton of time tunneling on it) why you might want to take out someone not based on your reads and/or their scumminess but because of their experience - something that might actually help us out more in the long run.

Jason says it here and is not attacked for it:

You are the worst Innocent Child ever, but thank god you are or i would lynch the fucking shit out of you.

And then Mutley says it here:

Can we lynch the IC please just for stupidness?

And

is

attacked for it. Now, mine was phrased nicely. Jason's was said bluntly. And Mutley's was posed as a question. The only actual difference I can see here is that it may be difficult to see sarcasm in text form? The point is being missed.

Because really, if you're taking it as anything more than:

DUDE WTF MAN. YOU'RE OUR IC AND YOUR LOGIC SUCKS MONKEY BALLS. YOU'RE LUCKY YOU'RE THE IC OR I'D LYNCH YOU ALL DAY.

You are

reaching

.

[jsmith1234]

Thanks for the defense bubba, and yes, I think all this ad hominem, directed at me or elsewhere, is not necessary. Calling things "stupid" or "retarded" isn't helpful at all - it's just rude. I'm not trying to convince people to vote with me, and I don't expect them to. I'm simply posting my own thoughts and desired votes, and if you disagree, you can either argue calmly with me or ignore me. Either is fine at this point - it's D1 so it hardly matters for now. Hopefully this becomes less of an issue as the game progresses.

Regarding bubba's actual scuminess, his more recent behavior is unfortunately countering the earlier towniness I was reading on him. Before he seemed like he really didn't care, but now he seems more flustered and offended. I was expecting at least a couple "you're going to see how wrong you are" or something similar in his most recent posts. Regardless, I'm not sold on him at all, and at least his posts are coherent and his arguments generally clear. That brings me to the following point.

Between Jason/Mutley/fuzzy, I'd personally prefer to lynch between Mutley and fuzzy. Though I think Jason's logic is flawed and his behavior isn't conducive to rational discussion, his posts/arguments provide more information on his thoughts than the other two. The other two's posts generally come across as "you're scum...keep flailing scum...that's so scummy...etc.". Their posts don't provide a clear picture of their thought process or argument, so I can't even judge their logic, because it's hardly been presented. If bubba does end up getting lynched and flips scum, I'd sooner think one of the 3 were bussing over them all being town.

I'll keep my vote on Mutley for now, but happy to switch to fuzzy as well.