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[Pink Princess]

Vote: Omega

Hi G!

[Pink Princess]

Unvote, Vote Amb

for voting for Glork.

Boo Amb.

[Pink Princess]

I'll just pipe in to say that I don't have a pink Cadillac, and I think they're quite ridiculous.

Also, I don't think SC's proxy to Glork is a huge deal. It was day one, page one. Not really a game-breaking decision. I personally don't think a proxy at that point is

necessary

, but it's certainly not a big whoop.

That is all.

[Pink Princess]

I feel that the "twisting my words" representations is a bit dramatic at best, unfounded at worst. Especially after FA's clarification in 45. I see that you two don't agree, but I see no twisting.

If there's some valid word twisting that I'm missing, please enlighten me.

Top of the page Vote Count!

Glork- 2 (blahgo, Amb)
Amb- 2 (Pink Princess, Omega)
Frozen Atlantic- 2 (StallingChamp, Glork)
Pink Princess- 1 (DeanWinchester)
StallingChamp- 1 (Frozen Atlantic)
DragonsofSummer- 1 (Zarvok)
DeanWinchester- 1 (pete d)
blahgo- 1 (yellowbounder)
Zarvok- 1 (DragonsofSummer)

This Big Mac has been brought to you by SV.

[Pink Princess]

And there should not be an "s" on the end of representation.

[Pink Princess]

I am thinking it is intentional how he keeps turning "I did it to generate discussion", to "There was a need to proxy the vote".

Yes, I saw that. But it was clarified here, makes sense, and yet you still keep throwing the twisting thing in. Valid accusations are one thing, but I'm not seeing any validity there.

Second, I would stick with letting Glork handle your arguments for you. In this sense of the word "needs" is clearly meant to indicate the town's needs and not your own. The so called change of reasoning you're trying to pin on me is a response to Glork's words and not your own.

I think massive jumping on any player who thought it was distracting and unnecessary play (Post 56, specifically) is a bit over the top. Personally, I think the proxy itself wasn't a big deal, but disagreeing with it certainly doesn't make you scum. Or scummy, for that matter.

[Pink Princess]

Whatcha thinking, G?

[Pink Princess]

A) Makes sense.
B) Aaah, I get you. I didn't see it that way. I don't agree with FA, but I also don't think his disagreement to the proxy indicates scum - it's (IMO) an overreaction and noteworthy, but at this point, that's all...and I read Pete the same way. But I see the whole following angle and that makes a lot of sense.
C) Makes sense.

Point B is a good observation.
Thanks for the breakdown.

(I'm coming off some sort of flu, apologies to all if I'm fuzzy)

[Pink Princess]

I think blindly following any stance is a bad thing.

[Pink Princess]

Unvote Amb

I'm not comfortable with those blindly following Glork without even posting discussion or even reasons. Yes, following a bad idea is a worse offense, but blindly following anything still makes me wary.

Glork had some good points, but at this point, I'm not quite convinced it's enough for a vote.

I think we definitely need some more discussion, I feel like there are some who have posted next to nothing thus far.

[Pink Princess]

I didn't like Amb's blind follow, and I like Dragons even less. Especially when you factor in the low participation level up to this point.

Is it me, or is this game crawling?

[Pink Princess]

I think I said this earlier, but the first bandwagoned player is almost never lynched. Therefore a quick but ultimately futile bandwagon on Pete D is of no huge consequence if it then disappears. And if it completes, then we gain a lot of info about where the dice fell etc.

Yes, I know, and I dont find it an offense worthy of my vote or even heavy pursuit. But it is always worth noting in my handy scum busting notebook.

[Pink Princess]

There are so many scums in this game I don't even know what to do.

Amb's play bugs me, I think it's scummy to want to lynch just anyone for any reason and excuse it as the norm for Day One play. His actions follow his logic of just-lynch-anyone, and I don't like it. Dragon's vote on Pete seemed quite opportunistic and follow-y, but his reaction to the pressure makes me feel marginally better.

I'm confused a bit by Dean, I'm happy to hear from the players that have been missing, and Glork makes me laugh.

Pete, what do you mean by a strong stance? Rabid attacks...voting for people... something else? Clarify for me, your fos seems silly.

[Pink Princess]

This is totally ungame related, but I just noticed I got a title!
Woohoo, look at me!

[Pink Princess]

Pete, I'm a cautious player. Just look at my title.

[Pink Princess]

That's it. I am handing out

fos

's all around.

1. Amb, for having a shamelessly scummy strategy. You may do it every game, but it's still not pro-town play.
2. SC, also for jumping on any wagon that's moving and for doing whatever Glork does.
3. Blahgo, for not posting and not even picking up his prod. Get in the game already.

I'm not sure if the whole

if you're just getting on my wagon so you don't get lynched then I'll get on your wagon in retaliation so I don't get lynched

is scummy or if it's a normal reaction to Amb's admission of voting just to put someone else closer to a lynch than himself. I'll have to think about that one.

I like that Omega posted some content, chock full of thoughts and reasons and actual words to work with. Refreshing.

I would please like to hear the what FA is thinking.

[Pink Princess]

I'll also mention that I don't know why there is a the in my last sentence.

[Pink Princess]

I'm actually very surprised at this. Usually when I start making bold claims, most players question what I'm doing. This time around, players seem more than willing ot play along with whatever it is that I'm spouting. It's a reaction that I don't think I've ever had to this scale before, and it's actually making me very undecided about what it means. That's probably why I keep jumping back and forth -- when I see players accept my baseless attacks without much (if any) questioning, I usually think they're more likely to be scum than the average player. As several players have done this, I keep finding myself looking in different directions.

My thoughts succienctly and perfectly explained. I'm used to Glork poking and prodding at players, making both founded and baseless accusations to evoke reactions, analyzing them and finding scum. But so far, the only reactions have been to agree and follow with a vote. It's quite confusing to me.

I am still thinking about the whole Amb vs DoS situation. Amb has consistently said and he doesn't care who is lynched as long as it's not him, so his vote of DoS to make his wagon bigger is certainly not out of character, so I'm not really surprised by that maneuver. My question is whether this nonpro-town strategy equals scum.
I'm also trying to figure out DoS's reaction - again, is self-preservation a scumtell? Is it scummy to only care that Amb wagonhops when it's your wagon he hops on?
Pete's last post strikes me as odd. It's pretty clear that DoS hopped on Amb's wagon to save his butt (DoS's) because Amb hopped on his just to save his own (Amb's) butt. That sentence may not be clear, but the concept is. It seems like Pete is trying to get on the wagon without a reason that reflects what's really going on. Instead of voting because you think the omgus is scummy, it seems you're voting because you don't see an omgus as happening.

I'm just posting my current thought processes and still needing to think a bit.

[Pink Princess]

Wow. Much has happened since my last post. A few things caught my eye and need to be clarified for me.

To Dean:
I am curious why you think DoS is so scummy. You've been saying he's very suspicious, very scummy, but you have failed to say

why

in any post (unless you count the claim being too vague part). Enlighten me.

The ... and his bandwagon should fall apart.... makes me sooo weary of your claim.

I'm also curious why you are so wary of Amb's claim. I read the part you quoted but I can't connect it to a solid reason that it would cast doubt on Amb's claim. Amb may or may not be what he claims to be, I get that, I can't connect that with the statement you quoted as being a doubt caster. Clarify?

Dean is catching my attention.

To DoS:
I notice your vote is still on pete. After all of this posting and activity, do you still think pete d is scum? If so, why? If not, why not?

DoS's claim sounds plausible to me. I don't think that clears him, though. Come on. It's a

vanilla

claim. Based on his play, though, I'm not convinced enough to join his wagon. I kind of understand the omgus reaction, and I think that's pretty much the basis of the wagon here. Great protown strategy? No. Lynchable offense? Not sure.

To Glork:
I'm interested in your reasoning for being on the wagon. Could you give me your thoughts on why you think DoS is the play for the day, preferably in list format?
(I like to hear Glork's thoughts. When protown, he's an awesome resource. Get over it.)



That's all for now. I'll be back later tonight.

[Pink Princess]

Um, how the heck did a wink get in the bottom of my post?

Just pretend the wink isn't there. It looks like I'm trying to say I'm coming back tonight for something wink-worthy. Yikes.

[Pink Princess]

Me again. Also, I didn't mean the "get over it" to be unkind. I hate rude players and shudder to think I'd ever be one.
The "get over it" should be read as: Analyzing and responding to the logical deductions of another player (conveniently in list form) is good stuff. If you don't like it, too bad. But too bad in a nice way, of course.

Back to washing dishes now.

[Pink Princess]

The context is you are a customer and your only power is to vote.

Does your role pm contain the above? (not asking you to quote it, just asking for some clarification)

I'm processing Glork's post. Especially the wink.

PP is someone I could potentially see as scum (she's clung the most to this "let's listen to/follow Glork" notion)

This really surprises me. I've been quite uneasy with the massive following trends in this game, and mentioned as much several times. I also haven't followed you yet. I do like to hear what you're thinking and respond to it, but I'm not sure I'm seeing the following/listening to part you've connected me with - especially when you say I'm the most guilty of it.

[Pink Princess]

It's not so much that you're following me in an "I'm going to say/vote/do what Glork says/votes/does," but it's more the fact that you keep pushing how valuable a resource I am, how much you care about my opinion , etc. I appreciate it, although I'm definitely starting to get that buddy-up feeling. At first I ignored it, pretty much thinking, "Oh, well PP just likes me." Now I'm beginning to consider the possibility that it's more of a game-related sentiment.

Ah, I see. That makes much more sense. Just to clarify my stance, I do find you as someone who actually plays the game - meaning you have thought process and strategy...but you are often hard to follow. I generally need more than "Vote X, he's scum". I know you have reasons, you just don't always post them...so I ask. I don't think you should be blindly followed, but you are a valuable resource whether you like it or not. But I digress.

My vote is hovering over DoS. I don't like that post at the top of the page. Scrambling, stretching to get the attention off of himself, grasping at my questions to Dean and trying to fuel it. Hm. I feel followed on a slight suspicion that I'm not even sure I'd even back yet.

[Pink Princess]

Thanks for your clarifications, Dean.

Vote DoS.

Enough flavor to make a claim can easily be found in the first post.

[Pink Princess]

Got my prod, sorry.

1. Wait, why am I the lynch for the day?
2. It's

Pink

Princess, not Power Princess.

[Pink Princess]

1. Well that's just silly.
2. I can't think of a good reply to that. Although maybe I should go by Power Princess. Does it give me more leverage?

[Pink Princess]

1. I do!
2. Don't vote for me, I'm a girl.

[Pink Princess]

1. But only biased based on fact.
2.

[Pink Princess]

I think it's okay to leave Glork around for the time being. As long as his claim that he

with

the town is true, there's no reason to lynch him. He's obviously playing with the town's best interests so far. I'd prefer not to assume he's an SK until tI see a reason to do so, and I also don't think it's a believeable that he's scum with a strategy of setting the stage and then claiming survivor.

[Pink Princess]

Maybe we should find the second one first?

[Pink Princess]

[quote-"yellow"]I think Frozen Atlantic is implying that you are the second scum, PP.[/quote]
Yeah, i got that. But he needs to keep looking.

First of all, FA isn't the cop. And if he was, he couldn't get a guilty on me. And with that, we all shall move our votes and suspicions to a better place.

[Pink Princess]

grr.

I think Frozen Atlantic is implying that you are the second scum, PP.

Yeah, I got that. But he needs to keep looking.

First of all, FA isn't the cop. And if he was, he couldn't get a guilty on me. And with that, we all shall move our votes and suspicions to a better place.

[Pink Princess]

PP: Thoughts/Reply?

FA's claim is totally legit, as I

was

blocked last night, and can confirm that as a fact. Pro-town blocker? Not sure. Roleblocker? Sure.

Also, I will have limited access for the weekend.

[Pink Princess]

Ah, good first point, and you're probably right.

Second point I can't agree with. Perhaps it's time for a claim.

[Pink Princess]

Assistant Manager. I check customers' pockets for poison each night.

Those jumping on my wagon without even waiting for me to claim are shady. If you would still like to lynch me, that's fine, but it's usually wise to wait for a claim.

[Pink Princess]

DeanWinchester.

[Pink Princess]

1. Because I don't really get his play or understand much of what he posts.
2. Because he was insistent that Amb was scum, and I generally trust the doc until proven (or at least strongly indicated) otherwise - I felt he was trying really hard to cast doubt on the doc and I wasn't sure why.
3. Because (in my opinion) there was no reason to check you, SC, Amb or FA or take a blind shot at any of the various players who have contributed absolutely nothing.

Reason 1 was the strongest.

It took me awhile to choose between Dean and PeteD, but I figured if PeteD was scum, he'd out himself soon enough.

[Pink Princess]

Here's your flavor Dean: I'm the assistant manager of McD's, and it's come to my attention that customers are being poisioned via their burgers. I have taken it upon myself to check pockets for poison each night to identify those using it to kill off valued McD's customers and once again make MCD's the delicious, safe and friendly place it once was.

And I didn't get anything back on you, I was blocked.

[Pink Princess]

I need to reread over the wagon and the ensuing discussion about the wagon. Back with some brilliance when I do. But I will mention before my in depth analysis my 2 thoughts from Day1 and my initial read of the last page or so:

Initially I had suspicions of Peted (as I mentioned earlier) becaiuse I felt he got on the DoS wagon with a half regurgitated, half confused reason and then jumped off for a

vanilla

claim pending some discussion, and never got back on. It caught my attention. However, he did get on the wagon a little early, so I'm also keeping that point in mind.

I caught that CS was geting on the wagon because he was saying he vanilla and was claiming to see the same problem SC did. Whether it's valid or not, I don't know. Wouldn't that be easy enough to check since DoS didn't have enough info to fake a vanilla claim? If CS is faking it, I think it'll be simple to find out. (

note: I am not advocating or asking CS to give any more information at this point. I am saying he will proably be easy to bust or verify before a lynch if need be)

PP had done basically the same thing.

Elaborate for me please.

[Pink Princess]

Only thing is I think that in busting DoS, I made it all too clear what any other scum should claim as vanilla.

Oh boo. Never mind then, too bad. And I thought maybe I busted the game wide open.

[Pink Princess]

So I basically guessed the cop claim? Interesting how I was able to fake claim pretty much the exact role that you were apparently given. Pretty impressive of me.

First point. I think it would be very stupid for scum to counterclaim a real cop. It's like trading youself in to lynch the cop for no good reason, so I can't understand why Dean would counterclaim cop in a non lynch or lose situation if he were scum. To pretend that I was naive or paranoid when I do come up cop and hope that validates your claim? But no one is going to buy that crappy strategy, so I don't get it.

But that doesn't change the fact that I know my role, and Dean just tried to claim it almost exactly. So I'm willing to be lynched if Dean is scum and gets busted.

And I guess I only have one point. No second point.

Vote: Pink Princess. Sorry, dear. I still love you.

It's okay, I forgive you. You're still my favorite.

[Pink Princess]

Apologies for my weekend absence. Busy girl.

Replacing NaR sound like a great idea, his last post gave me the impression he didn't even read the game.

I read through the wagon and didn't catch any new brilliant insights. I think there's not a lot of content to work with when it comes to yellowbounder or Zarvok/NaR.

Amb's participation levels/thoughts and input seemed to have dropped - Amb, what's up?

That's all, it's early.

[Pink Princess]

FrAt will simply KILL HER OVERNIGHT... right?

FA can kill people?

And for the record, I should not be lynched.
That is all.

[Pink Princess]

Ah, he claimed roleblocker/vig. Thanks, I missed that the first time around.

[Pink Princess]

For what it's worth, my opinion:

The assertions that I am simply following Glork around the whole game are starting to annoy me. First of all, as I already explained, Glork is a good scumhunter with a good track record and even a title - would anyone argue with this? No. Asking him to

clarify his stances

and

elaborate on what direction he's headed

because I know he's got rational thought behind what he posts is not blindly following him around, or constantly riding his coattails or even proposing marriage. I find the assertions that I'm just following him around as an actual argument against me are exaggerated at best, and completely unfounded at worst. So that's what I think about that.

I also think lynching Amb is a terrible play.

I also tend to believe DW's claim for some reason, because a. there's no good strategy involving scum counterclaiming the real cop - you're busted the minute the cop is lynched. Unless you can convince the town there are 2 at that point, which is tough. b. If he were faking, he would have probably made up a claim that differed from mine. I'm taking the stance that there are 2 cops of differing sanities, as we both can confirm that neither of us is a back-up.

I'm basically getting lynched here anyway, but now you've got my thoughts.

[Pink Princess]

Just to pipe in with my two cents on the recent discussions:

I find no reason to lynch Glork. There's been no extra kills so far, no anti-town play. If all scum are dead and the game is still going on, then I'd consider it. But until then? No reason.
Glork, clarification if you will. Why did you PM the mod and ask what you'd turn up if investigated? The survivor role is a pretty common role with a clear-cut neutral alignment, so what made you wonder that you may be a role that gets a guilty result?

I also find SC pretty clear in my mind, both for solidifying the lynch on DoS and having the info needed to bust his false claim. If he were not a townie, it's pretty silly for the real townies to not call him on his bluff, and they haven't.

[Pink Princess]

I was reading through again, and I noticed that SC already said what I just said in my last post. Excuse my repetition. It's a good point though.

And also, I'm still waiting for a replacement for NaR, preferably before we go to night.

Seems to be in love with Glork.

Really, now. Who doesn't love Glork?

[Pink Princess]

Hm. I can't really contribute to the latest developments as I'm not a townie. But I'll trust CS for the moment, and keep my vote off of YB. Pending SC's confirmation...

Very helpful to have so much info to check claims with, although this will probably be the final time a vanilla claim can be cross referenced.

[Pink Princess]

Is there any way to check all of the vanilla claims before every last bit of detail is out?