Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over

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Quicktopics

Review
Mod
Mafia
Dead
Neighbour

[Alduskkel]

WIFOM games weren't needed because once you get me

considering

WIFOM games then I actually become less sure that Generic is town. If you were like, "Noo, don't lynch me " I wouldn't have thought twice about it.

[Mutleyddmc]

I feel bad

[Alduskkel]

I guarantee I feel worse. How would you feel if you spent the game townreading 2 of the members of the scumteam, and essentially being buddy buddies with one for over 2 weeks 24 hours a day only to get backstabbed in the end?

[Alduskkel]

Goddamnit Om I am reading the dead QT and you are LAUGHING AT ME

[Generic]

Never feel bad, the game is for me to hide amongst you, and for you to figure it out. There were 8 others who failed to figure it out too, and ald voted for you remember.

[Generic]

Oh, and I still think alduskkel is the last mafia even now

[Generic]

I should have voted for mutley, I let ald down

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Roles

yessiree

Town Gunsmith

Generic

Mafia Neighbouriser

Mutleyddmc

levio

Vanilla Townie

Kid A

Vanilla Townie

DCLXVI

Town Bodyguard

Bub Bidderskins

Vanilla Townie

Alabaska J

Town Even-night Vigilante

NotThePope

Mafia Goon

TMTOLBTWNTOF

Vanilla Townie

Smudger

Vanilla Townie

RadiantCowbells

Vanilla Townie

Alduskkel

absta101

Vanilla Townie

Om of the Nom

Kingsrush

Mafia Goon

[Alduskkel]

I don't think I've ever been this wrong in a Mafia game before.

[Generic]

Do you give out awards then? Like MVPs and stuff?

[Alduskkel]

There's always the Scummies. I'm not usually one to nominate, but I might consider it. Can't exactly nominate only Om and you, though. (It's either the whole team or just one.)

I'd prefer to see the input of the other townies first.

[Om of the Nom]

Well I mean NTP kinda helped the team by being an easy bus????

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I'm going to nominate Ald's meltdown as a Most Memorable Event.

[Generic]

NTP being bussed built the foundation for this win. Om was tactically sound and I used the neighbourhood to ultimately win this for us.

[Generic]

I just meant btw does the mod assign best town and best mafia players for the game.

Alds meltdown came all at on e for me, it was crazy funny to try a d redeem it somehow by turning it back on him.

[Om of the Nom]

I'm going to nominate Ald's meltdown as a Most Memorable Event.

Yes please.

[Mutleyddmc]

Im glad in the dead qt yessiree, thought it was you ald. Makes me feel like it was a good scum win. Which it was.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5160649

[Mutleyddmc]

If I had been able to read the neighbour QT, I would have actually been more paranoid, and thought about a mafia Neighbourizer.

As I said earlier not neighbourizing only helps scum. So yer ald if you could have convinced generic to neighbourize I could have changed. The fact it came across tom me like it was your idea got me big time

[Alduskkel]

Stats on my freakout:
24 posts over the course of 49 minutes, 1:25-2:14 a.m. my time.

(It sort of started at 117 but it really got going at 133.)

@Mutley: The real mistake was not neighborizing Kid A. I suppose I could have tried to get Generic to neighborize you, but I didn't really care, and since I thought Generic was town and he was suggesting I as scum WANTED you in the QT I didn't want to piss him off so I just let him do his own thing.

[Alduskkel]

Read the review QT. I do think Odd-Night, Non-Consecutive, or 2-Shot on the Vigilante would have been better. In practice, the Town gained little from a single vig kill. Bodyguard isn't very good either. Gunsmith was legitimately powerful, I'll grant.

[Om of the Nom]

But when you think about it, mafia had no protection against any of those roles. We had no way to counter a Bodyguard attempt, we had no investigation immunity (let alone from a gunsmith) and we had no protection from vig kills. We only had a communication role.

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I honestly thought mafia was going to be underpowered. I think the neighbouriser role was played very well.

[Alduskkel]

Still think that Alabaska was essentially a 1-shot Vig, which is very awkward without a way to head back to odd numbers. "Countering" a bodyguard attempt is unneeded, you only have to deal with it once, and you still get a kill in. Scum has no protection from Vig kills, but neither does the Town really -- Vigilante is a very swingy role whose power is highly dependent on the skill of the player.

I'm not saying that we lost because Alabaska was Even-Night instead of Odd-Night. (I doubt it would have changed the result.) I just think that the Vigilante is not as powerful as intended. The odds of making it to Night 4 are very very low (8/13 players will be dead).

On another note, I think in the Neighbor QT after I got paranoid Generic got paranoid to look more town. I was thinking that, but I didn't mention it. If Generic were town I didn't want to upset

his

town read of me.