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[Saki]

has noone noticed bulbazak has not posted
has noone noticed stubbs never delivered his case on JMO
has noone noticed Dyx posted once more then disappeared off into the night again

[Saki]

I've already explained why it should be JMO, more than once.

getting nowhere, people are stubborn
especially you

[Saki]

If all the active players (myself, Saki, oriole, Varsoon, and Xiao) right now got together and voted Cherry, he'd be at L-2. That would get Cherry to play straight possibly.

really, a quickwagon

[Varsoon]

@Titus: I agree with the active-player-bloc idea. It could be good pressure, although we risk a quicklynch without the info from our pressure if we do that.

@Saki: I did, but nothing I say has any potency anymore, apparently. More than that, when I say it, scum can just write it off as me trying to 'do everything and anything to survive'.

[jmo16mla]

Will someone tell me why cherry is scum? I have them as town.

Edit: saki, shut the fuck up.

[Flench]

Ok I think I am onto something, gimme some time and I may post a wall on it, I think everyone will be interested in it.

This new info does not affect my vote.

So many posts....stahp

[Saki]

@Titus: I agree with the active-player-bloc idea. It could be good pressure, although we risk a quicklynch without the info from our pressure if we do that.

@Saki: I did, but nothing I say has any potency anymore, apparently. More than that, when I say it, scum can just write it off as me trying to 'do everything and anything to survive'.

we're going in fucking circles, you know

somewhere along the lines of
OMFG VARSOON YOU SUCK > Setup Speculation > Let's lynch lurkers > pressure other players > aaand back to Varsoon

[Saki]

Has everyone forgotten I still have my finger pointed towards Titus

[Saki]

Will someone tell me why cherry is scum? I have them as town.

Edit: saki, shut the fuck up.

go read the thread

[Varsoon]

@JMO: Saki's exposing you and working his best and you suffocate his voice? Sure is pro-town of you.
My arguments against Cherry are as follows:
Cherry took a backdoor to the Saki v Titus v Varsoon conflict and voted on the wagons that were most 'town' to do so.
Cherry's current play is often conflicts itself and earlier anti-Varsoon reads, as the Hydra is making use of tactics that it called me out for being scummy on.
Cherry tried to curry town favor by passing my hammer to Pasche.
Cherry's still on the safest wagon to be on, despite Cherry's motivations for being there reflecting a desire for a policy lynch rather than lynching me for a Varsoon-is-scum argument.

Ultimately, Cherry is a highly opportunistic player who parrots the safest wagons, overtly tries to cull town favor, and is pushing for what can be seen as a policy lynch from Cherry's PoV. Furthermore, the content of Cherry's scum-hunting (if there is any) is incredibly low. Cherry hasn't produced anything new since voting me, and has tunneled me because it's safe to do so.

JMO, please read the thread. We've explained why Cherry is scum multiple times--and I do mean

we

, as in, more players than just me.

[Varsoon]

Has everyone forgotten I still have my finger pointed towards Titus

Case on Titus?

[Flench]

Saki spamming for some stupid record, truly a scumbag.

[Saki]

@JMO: Saki's exposing you and working his best and you suffocate his voice? Sure is pro-town of you.
My arguments against Cherry are as follows:
Cherry took a backdoor to the Saki v Titus v Varsoon conflict and voted on the wagons that were most 'town' to do so.
Cherry's current play is often conflicts itself and earlier anti-Varsoon reads, as the Hydra is making use of tactics that it called me out for being scummy on.
Cherry tried to curry town favor by passing my hammer to Pasche.
Cherry's still on the safest wagon to be on, despite Cherry's motivations for being there reflecting a desire for a policy lynch rather than lynching me for a Varsoon-is-scum argument.

Ultimately, Cherry is a highly opportunistic player who parrots the safest wagons, overtly tries to cull town favor, and is pushing for what can be seen as a policy lynch from Cherry's PoV. Furthermore, the content of Cherry's scum-hunting (if there is any) is incredibly low. Cherry hasn't produced anything new since voting me, and has tunneled me because it's safe to do so.

JMO, please read the thread. We've explained why Cherry is scum multiple times--and I do mean

we

, as in, more players than just me.

is that not what I said 1500 posts ago, Varsoon

@Flench
more and more are you becoming another JMO

[Saki]

Has everyone forgotten I still have my finger pointed towards Titus

Case on Titus?

you have forgotten.
bleh.

[Varsoon]

Flench, if you can't credit that Saki has points in his posts, and you've got to comment on that fact, you're spamming the thread just as much by providing that useless analysis.


@Saki: It's more and more obvious the more Cherry posts.
And, nah, I'd just like you to roll it out for me. I understand the town paranoia angle and feeling that Titus is playing it safe/trying to vote on the wagon that'll get the most towncred, thus her hesitance, but I'm reading that as null/town right now. My interactions with Titus have informed me of town motivation behind her posts. I'd like you to articulate and add on to your Titus case, if you don't mind.

[Varsoon]

Also, please tuck away ANOTHER instance of Flench poking his head into the thread to toss around incendiary, baseless remarks and do nothing but promise info and further parrot a safe wagon.

[Titus]

@Saki - you are getting lazy in your uncontested PR slot. Flench is promising content and has delivered large amounts of content.

@Varsoon - I don't think Saki's ever going to place me as town given how hard I tried to verify his claim. It's probably obvious that I still don't believe Saki 100%, given that roleblocker is the least likely PR role but it's definitely not enough or the time to pursue that at this point.

[CherryDrPepper]

@Titus: Everything is motivation right? What is the scum motivation behind me drawing attention away for Varsoon towards myself?

[Varsoon]

@Titus: I think I went even further to verify Saki's claim, to be honest. If Saki is scum roleblocker, then I deserve to be fooled.


Not to answer for Titus, but a very

Varsoon

answer would be that you're just attempting higher-level play.
The problem is that you can't do that and then call attention to it.

[Saki]

Flench, if you can't credit that Saki has points in his posts, and you've got to comment on that fact, you're spamming the thread just as much by providing that useless analysis.


@Saki: It's more and more obvious the more Cherry posts.
And, nah, I'd just like you to roll it out for me. I understand the town paranoia angle and feeling that Titus is playing it safe/trying to vote on the wagon that'll get the most towncred, thus her hesitance, but I'm reading that as null/town right now. My interactions with Titus have informed me of town motivation behind her posts. I'd like you to articulate and add on to your Titus case, if you don't mind.

No I like flench's analysis more than mine

where's sakura's scum motivation behind saying 'lynch all liars' and voting you? that's town paranoia/AtE not scum

Titus

buddying you at first now saying oh my god I hate you now
although your behavior has not changed

i keep getting the feeling she's deliberately manipulating me/derailing the thread at certain points (and that's a gut read)

[Saki]

@Titus: I think I went even further to verify Saki's claim, to be honest. If Saki is scum roleblocker, then I deserve to be fooled.


Not to answer for Titus, but a very

Varsoon

answer would be that you're just attempting higher-level play.
The problem is that you can't do that and then call attention to it.

you just claimed scum once again

[Saki]

@Saki - you are getting lazy in your uncontested PR slot. Flench is promising content and has delivered large amounts of content.

there is no need to be rude about delivering content

[Saki]

@Titus: I think I went even further to verify Saki's claim, to be honest. If Saki is scum roleblocker, then I deserve to be fooled.


Not to answer for Titus, but a very

Varsoon

answer would be that you're just attempting higher-level play.
The problem is that you can't do that and then call attention to it.

you just claimed scum once again

please stop subtly justifying everything with 'hey I can do this 'cause my name is Varsoon'

[Saki]

Titus if I were lazy I would have lurked and cruised on with my confTRB status

[Titus]

@Titus: Everything is motivation right? What is the scum motivation behind me drawing attention away for Varsoon towards myself?

When? I cannot answer that until I know what you perceive as drawing attention to yourself. However, I don't perceive your intentions as doing that. Once you felt comfortable on Varsoon, you've done everything you can to put attention on him.

VOTE: CherryDrPepper

I can still go back and put my vote on JMO if need be.

@Saki, that's not a scum claim. If a town is lying, scum can say let's lynch all liars and hide behind it. In an off-site game, I, as confirmed town, lied and said there was another Town PR I knew didn't exist. The idea was to get scum to claim it and town (if they read the crumbs) would lynch the claimer. Very rarely town do indeed lie.

By lazy I meant analytically lazy, and you are not 100% confirmed town, probably closer to 70%.