Open 10 -- C9: Game Over! - before 400

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Fritzler probably needs a prod.

[Glork]

Totally Awesome Vote Count:

Ripley 2 (Patrick, IH)
ChannelDelibird 2 (spectrumvoid, Fritzler)
Fritzler 1 (Ripley)
spectrumvoid 1 (Cogito Ergo Sum)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Prodding everybody who hasn't posted in 5 days.
EDIT: Prodding Fritz, ChannelDelibird, and Ripley.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Channeldelibird

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Ripley, hammah him please.

[Fritzler]

CES, we could jump on ripley

[ChannelDelibird]

Apologies for the lack of posting.

Looking over page 4 there was actually less going on than I thought there had been coming up to this post. I don't think I've played enough with IH to have my own metagame read on him yet, but frankly I think his Ripley vote was weird. By my read of it, the post by Ripley that he was responding to contained a couple of well-made points (that I don't necessarily agree with totally; I'll expand on that in a moment) and IH's vote really stuck out like a sore thumb.

vote: IH

because it's easily the scummiest thing this game, but I'm still trying to decide just how scummy it actually is.

As far as your points of contention against me go, Ripley, while I certainly see your point, I don't really have any reservations about picking up votes in a C9 game. I know that if I get speedlynched then the culprits are going to be very obvious the next day, and I also know that this game is newbie-free, which means that everyone knows what they're doing.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Fritz, let's give Ripley a chance to hammah first. If he doesn't, we'll pounce.

[Ripley]

Patrick, can I ask you to remove your vote on me - still a random vote as far as I can tell, you haven't backed it up with any subsequent suspicion - in case these two clowns are serious.

I'm not moving my vote anywhere as long as Fritzler continues to post no content, though CES has been almost equally unhelpful, and IH is definitely on my radar because of his weird vote on me and the accompanying weak argument.

[Patrick]

Unvote

Struggling to think of something useful to say. CES and Fritzler and near unreadable, and neither has really done anything so far other than bandwagon. I'm not especially convinced that CDB is the play though, and would like ppl voting him to explain why scum would be more likely than town to vote no lynch here.

[IH]

As far as your points of contention against me go, Ripley, while I certainly see your point, I don't really have any reservations about picking up votes in a C9 game. I know that if I get speedlynched then the culprits are going to be very obvious the next day, and I also know that this game is newbie-free, which means that everyone knows what they're doing.

Unless CES and Fritzler speed lynch, in which we will wifom ourselves from existence tomorrow, and ending up with just a speed lynch.

[spectrumvoid]

unvote

I think it's a little too early to put someone at -1 at this point in time. Also, my main reason for voting (no lynch) has been satisfactorily explained by CDB.

[Fritzler]

unvote,vote:scumvoid

[Glork]

I'm senting a tentative deadline for

Saturday, February 24, at 10:30 AM EST

. This deadline will be extended if activity picks up and/or if enough players request an extension.

Vote Count:

Ripley 1 (IH)
ChannelDelibird 1 (Cogito Ergo Sum)
Fritzler 1 (Ripley)
spectrumvoid 1 (Fritzler)
IH 1 (ChannelDelibird)

7 alive, 4 to lynch.

[Ripley]

This day looks hopeless. Here is Fritzler's entire contribution since he joined the game two and a half weeks ago:

CES, whose the play?

unvote, vote: delibird

CES, we could jump on ripley

unvote,vote:scumvoid

If Fritzler is protown the best move he could make would be to request replacement so the town might gain a player and lose a deadweight. I doubt he will do this so I suggest we lynch him. Maybe he's scum - if not, we lose a completely useless townie. There

are

players in this game - Patrick, IH, spectrumvoid, myself - who I know are willing to play properly, and it seems ChannelDelibird would too though I only know him from this game, and maybe the game could get going on Day 2 , giving us the chance to actually turn it around despite Day 1 being this total write off.

Let's lynch Fritzler.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm always hesitant to lynch Fritzler because it's always based on his lack of meaningful contribution, which is what he always does, meaning it's not a scumtell for him. I guess we could lynch him but I do feel that we'd gain more information for use tomorrow and afterwards if we lynched someone who's actually been saying things during D1, so that we can try and make connections.

[Ripley]

I'm always hesitant to lynch Fritzler because it's always based on his lack of meaningful contribution, which is what he always does, meaning it's not a scumtell for him. I guess we could lynch him but I do feel that we'd gain more information for use tomorrow and afterwards if we lynched someone who's actually been saying things during D1, so that we can try and make connections.

By that logic Fritzler's non-play would always gain him a free pass to Day 2 because there would never be enough to be learned from his death. I think that aspect of it is outweighed by the benefits of not having to carry a non-participating player on Day 2. There will probably be only 5 of us left and Fritzler would be a significant handicap. Plus, if Fritzler's alive we'll probably have the exact same play as we got from CES today once Fritzler arrived, making at best 3 players out of 5 posting anything useful. Let's maximise the chances of a decent debate, and to do that we need to get rid of Fritzler. It's not even as if there's anybody else looking particularly scummy today. Nobody has more than 1 vote.

[ChannelDelibird]

And what if Fritzler is our cop/doc? Do we lynch him anyway? If he is, what would you suggest?

[note: Fritz, don't take this as a request to claim. It's not.]

[Ripley]

A lot of ifs.

If

Fritzler gets enough votes that claiming becomes appropriate, and

if

he can be bothered to do so, and

if

nobody counterclaims - time enough to talk about that if it happens. Why make his life easier by discussing it in advance?

[IH]

= ( Ripley makes a slightly convincing argument at this point.... especially with the deadline baring down on us, I feel tempted to agree...

Mod:

What's your deadline rules?

[Glork]

No majority at deadline means No Lynch.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That sucks, Glrok. Why don't you ease up a little?

I'd be up for a Fritzlerlynch. I've done it before.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK then, what the hell.

unvote, vote: Fritzler

[Patrick]

GLORK? HOW COULD YOU?
As for Fritzler, it's just a random lynch as far as I can see. I'd go with it instead of no lynching, but it's a really tacky day 1. Why have we got fritz in a c9 anyway? He seems impossible to read. CES plz explain to me how you read Fritzler.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I see him as more likely to be scum by comparison.

[Glork]

That sucks, Glrok. Why don't you ease up a little?

A) That's how the original rules were written.
B) That's how Newbie C9s are traditionally handled with regards to deadlines.