Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over

[Om of the Nom]

I think the mafia came to the same conclusions. It follows that they would both try to bus him for towncred.

So right now you think Kid A was bussing but who do you think the last person was?

[RadiantCowbells]

...Smudger?

[Generic]

What's with the fishing om?

[Generic]

In the theory that both were scum wagons the idea that smudger is mafia would make sense as he hammered one to try and spare the other.
But the kid A being scum arguement still doesn't make sense to me. Did you present a case against kid A yourself cowbells?

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh, yeah?

[Kid A]

yeah rcs case consists of examples of me scumhunting and omits loads of context to make me look scummy its a good read

[Om of the Nom]

...Smudger?

o yeah i forgot you said that *facepalm*
it's 2AM give me a break :P

I don't understand why Smudger would have necessarily voted NTP over Kid A though when he could have just waited it out (IIRC he already said he most likely wasn't going to be there by deadline so it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary).

[RadiantCowbells]

Because NTP was going to get lycnhed at some point and Kid A wasn't necessarily.

[Kid A]

but why wouldnt he take the extra nk??

[yessiree]

Kid A was at L-2, NTP was at L-1 when Smudger hammered

it was also close to the deadline IIRC

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I said I would hammer if no one switched before deadline.

[Generic]

unvote

Cowbells may not have good reads, but he is answering questions well when I look at it now he is perceiving it, and the cowbells wagon did seem to move fast.

Time to reread bub...

[Smudger]

I don't understand why Smudger would have necessarily voted NTP over Kid A though when he could have just waited it out (IIRC he already said he most likely wasn't going to be there by deadline so it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary).

I am town I will lynch scum, I gave enough warning, if that is scummy to say that then fine, but it is what it is, the truth...Now Cowbells you are still not changing my opinion here, and I will add where was my vote when I moved it to NTP? and what was my stance?

[Alabaska J]

So you call him out for calling out an FoS in RVS? You said it yourself, people do silly things during RVS. Most of Bub's posting HAS looked like jokes. Not buddying.

On that note, I want to get a wagon going

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Lets see where this one takes us

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF way too many caps man.

on that note,

FoS: DCLXVI

Vote: Alabaska J

The FoS is completely unsubstantiated and useless.

First post during RVS stage, looks to me like a sarcastic response.

I'm attacking them for making a silly FOS, not because it was on you.

"Silly" again, makes it sound joking. Attacking him over a "silly FoS" doesn't sound like a joke to anyone else, especially during RVS? I'm standing by that point, looks to me like a joke.

Then again, people here are sooooo serious it gets boring after a while.

Wheeeeeeee Radiant just OMGUS'd us tooo yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

How can you say in your right mind those are serious posts whatsoever, especially given the time period they were posted

Generic you did the vote method wrong js

Also if you've seen me play you know I'm mucho de paranoia

Weak townread on absta thus far, flip side for radiant.

these are the only times NTP mentions Bub at all on day one: a defense of his clearly-not-a-joke vote on me over the confusion of whether or not my FoS was real. also, note the distancing of Cowbells thrown in for good measure. he avoids talking about bub for the rest of the day, most likely to prevent links between him and his partner being seen, since bub defends him wholeheartedly you'd think he'd at least throw out a post his way at some point

Cowbells, NTP DID want people to vote Kid A. i don't think both of Kid A and NTP are scum, and since NTP was, i'm leaning more toward poor town play by Kid A. he especially seemed townier to my gut when he was on the chopping block.

VOTE: Bub Budderskins,

FoS: Radiant Cowebells

[DCLXVI]

bah,

GO TOWN!!!

[yessiree]

I don't think scum Bub would defend NTP

that

wholeheartedly, even after the intent to hammer,

and

after the hammer he still questioned the hammer vote by Smudger. There was a very good chance NTP was going to be lynched, which he was. Doing what Bub did was literally throwing himself out on the spotlight for a lynch on day 2 if NTP flipped scum.

Why ignore the possibility of misplay/misread on a town's part?

[Alabaska J]

I don't think scum Bub would defend NTP

that

wholeheartedly, even after the intent to hammer,

and

after the hammer he still questioned the hammer vote by Smudger. There was a very good chance NTP was going to be lynched, which he was. Doing what Bub did was literally throwing himself out on the spotlight for a lynch on day 2 if NTP flipped scum.

Why ignore the possibility of misplay/misread on a town's part?

is he? why wouldn't people make the same argument you are making? i would think that what he did is a legitimate strategy for scum, and it doesn't change my opinion. your argument accounts to mostly WIFOM.

[Generic]

On that yessiree, if a player spent a lot of effort stopping a player getting lynched, and then when the vote got hammered he went very quiet on the subject... When the player who was lynched flipped town what would you make of the sudden silence on the matter?

To me IF bub was mafia he would have to keep up the pretence that we just lynched town, because it would give away that he knew otherwise. And IF smudger was scum as one theory speculates, what better way to distance yourself from the other teammate?

All IFs though, and as I think has been pointed out such a blatant defence of a player that turned out to be scum doesn't seem like normal scum play... I'm trying to determine if it was a double bluff though. His opening and only post on day 2 seems bad as a start point, I want to hear more from him.

[Generic]

*When the player who was lynched flipped SCUM...

[yessiree]

It's interesting you say that because I didn't intend to bring WIFOM up. What Bub did looked like a town defending his townread, more so than, a scum trying to salvage his partner. Are you saying town players don't make the same mistakes Bub makes?

p-edit: we'll have to see what Bub have to say

[yessiree]

pp: @ generic: Bub did attack Smudger's hammer vote, in #497, and #499, would a scum player, knowing that his partner just got lynched, still uphold that defiance of an attitude?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Given NTP's flip, Smudger is very likely town. Personally, I also think Kid A is town based off of his support of the NTP wagon.

Cowbells could be scum bussing a partner early and then trying to defend him when he was actually getting threatened with a lynch.

Om of the Nom is prob town given his attacks on NTP throughout the day.

[yessiree]

Bub that post just now was rather weak, not what I expected of you

what's your top scumread atm, Cowbells?

[yessiree]

EBWOP: the question is directed at Bub, not Cowbells

[Generic]

pp: @ generic: Bub did attack Smudger's hammer vote, in #497, and #499, would a scum player, knowing that his partner just got lynched, still uphold that defiance of an attitude?

But that's my point yessiree.

Say it was me defending NTP so aggressively. Suddenly he is hammered and I stop dead all my defensive comments. NTP flips scum, what do you make of my reaction?
Good scum should know not to drop something just because they know the outcome, that's waaaay too obvious.

Bub, you have told us who you think is town based on yesterday. But cowbells, someone you just identified now as a potential suspect, claims all remaining mafia were on that NTP wagon.
Since you don't agree with that, do you think ANY mafia were on the wagon? Bear in mind you were one of five pushing the kid A wagon so it wasnt an obviously scummy wagon, even if I don't get it.
If cowbells is one, who would be your other biggest suspect right now?

For me bub you are still a suspect due to suddenly just naming town players in your opinion. That feels like mafia trying not to press any opinions too hard right now.

Smudger was an interesting choice for suspicion but he did give plenty of warning to the hammer and the way he was leaning with the wagons.

Cowbells does look bad from day 1, but his day 2 defence has been pretty good. The stubbornness to return to the kid A wagon feels very town with the subsequent explanation.

Om is probing again with questions, seems to be honest in his reactions to asking questions already answered but did feel like he was fishing earlier and ignored me when I questioned it.

Kid A seemed town to me on day 1, the main points against him ft like a misrep of his posts. Kid A I would like your reads on other players please too.

Yessiree has seemed to be keen to find town theory to reactions of people which is sort of null for me, but if it leads to him offering some suspects I get the logic of his current posts. Will need to look back on his day 1 as I don't know much about his posting...

Will look at the others but these are the main posters of day 2 so far, will put a t/s list together as day 2 goes on...