NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Slandaar · Post Post #4600 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:54 pm

In post 4585, Bulbazak wrote:Slaandar is scum as well, due to the 8 scum comment.

Do amuse me with your explanation.

ISO · Post Post #4601 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:58 pm

Vote: Rena

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4602 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:00 pm

In post 4597, ffullisade wrote:Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?

- f

Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.

We can continue this friday at the earliest before I go on vacation..

My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?

(I did a candlejack one of my other posts so that "you know" was an accidental mistype with not a complete thought.

~

ffullisade · Post Post #4603 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:08 pm

In post 4602, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4597, ffullisade wrote:Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?

- f
Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.

We can continue this friday at the earliest before I go on vacation..

My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?

(I did a candlejack one of my other posts so that "you know" was an accidental mistype with not a complete thought.

~

I don't remember when. You were null for quite a while, though definitely in benefit of the doubt territory. I am still not sure if I have a towntell or two actually identified or if they're conicidental.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #4604 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:21 pm

<<< Hmm, just fell short. I'll make the declaration next page. >>>

One-Hundred-Tenth Votecount

:

(Forty-Third Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Stay tuned for a big mod announcement!" votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 5 (Nero Cain, Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral, ArcAngel9)

Seanald - 3 (PeregrineV, Desperado, penguin_alien)

Nero Cain - 3 (CrashTextDummie, Kublai Khan, Bulbazak)
Rena - 3 (Slandaar, ffullisade, Cephrir)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 1 (Rena)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Bubazak

would be lynched.

Bulbazak and Rena are V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
The Malakittens half of the Amethyst Kitty hydra is V/LA until July 15th.
PeregrineV is V/LA until July 11th.
Human Destroyer is V/LA until Sunday, July 11th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 183, post 4553.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

There is a mod-edited votecount on page 184.

Spoiler: Post 4575

ffullisade · Post Post #4605 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:32 pm

In post 4602, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4597, ffullisade wrote:Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?

- f
Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.

We can continue this friday at the earliest before I go on vacation..

My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?

(I did a candlejack one of my other posts so that "you know" was an accidental mistype with not a complete thought.

~

probably when we first town read you and you were happy about it

this is what I mean by inane questions

ffullisade · Post Post #4606 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:34 pm

In post 4603, ffullisade wrote:
In post 4602, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4597, ffullisade wrote:Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?

- f
Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.

We can continue this friday at the earliest before I go on vacation..

My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?

(I did a candlejack one of my other posts so that "you know" was an accidental mistype with not a complete thought.

~
I don't remember when. You were null for quite a while, though definitely in benefit of the doubt territory. I am still not sure if I have a towntell or two actually identified or if they're conicidental.

majiffy and I town read them. it was early on d1.

Bulbazak · Post Post #4607 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:44 pm

In post 4600, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4585, Bulbazak wrote:Slaandar is scum as well, due to the 8 scum comment.
Do amuse me with your explanation.

You never explained why you think there are 8 scum in this game. The typical scum to town ratio is 1:3, which would make the number of scum in this game 6. Using that logic, there would be 3 scum per team in a multiball situation, which we seem to be in. However, you assume that there is 4. The only way I could see anyone coming to this conclusion is if they were on a scum team and

knew

that there were 4 players on the team, which means that they would anticipate 8 scum. Therefore, your statement stating that there are 4 on each team is a scumslip.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4608 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:04 pm

probs, I was thinking the same thing. Thez also suggested "7-8 scum".

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4609 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:05 pm

In post 4607, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4600, Slandaar wrote:
In post 4585, Bulbazak wrote:Slaandar is scum as well, due to the 8 scum comment.
Do amuse me with your explanation.
You never explained why you think there are 8 scum in this game. The typical scum to town ratio is 1:3, which would make the number of scum in this game 6. Using that logic, there would be 3 scum per team in a multiball situation, which we seem to be in. However, you assume that there is 4. The only way I could see anyone coming to this conclusion is if they were on a scum team and
knew
that there were 4 players on the team, which means that they would anticipate 8 scum. Therefore, your statement stating that there are 4 on each team is a scumslip.

How come you never said anything with Bacde said there was one bluescum left?

Bulbazak · Post Post #4610 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:08 pm

In post 4609, Kublai Khan wrote: How come you never said anything with Bacde said there was one bluescum left?

If we are assuming typical scum:town ratios, saying there was only 1 blue scum left going into d3 after 2 blue scum flips is understandable. If Slaandar is scum, Bacde is town.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4611 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:10 pm

In post 4610, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4609, Kublai Khan wrote: How come you never said anything with Bacde said there was one bluescum left?
If we are assuming typical scum:town ratios, saying there was only 1 blue scum left going into d3 after 2 blue scum flips is understandable. If Slaandar is scum, Bacde is town.

And the possibility of uneven scumteams?

Bulbazak · Post Post #4612 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:15 pm

Are you saying that Bacde is scum on a 4 person team, and his first thought was "I bet our teams are uneven!"? Chances are that he'd assume the same number per team, and be happy if he was wrong. Now I guess there is always the possibility that he knew such things but didn't betray such knowledge, but even so, saying that there is 1 blue scum left after 2 have died is actually understandable, seeing as how anybody who is doing any sort of basic setup spec is going to come to the same conclusion.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4613 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:06 pm

No, just trying to get an idea of your thought process. You weren't considering the idea of uneven scumteams.

So anyone who assumes a 3-person scum teams is town, but assuming a 4-person scum team is scum. Because typical multiball theory is two 3-person scum teams, yes?

I'm weighing the possibility that two 4-person scum teams exist (with 1 scum PR flip) vs Slandaar being oblivious to typical multiball setups.

What other evidence is there that Slandaar is scum?

Bulbazak · Post Post #4614 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:23 pm

In post 4613, Kublai Khan wrote: So anyone who assumes a 3-person scum teams is town, but assuming a 4-person scum team is scum. Because typical multiball theory is two 3-person scum teams, yes?

Standard setup spec would assume 6 scum in a 24 player setup, and in the event of multiball, even scum teams.

In post 4613, Kublai Khan wrote: What other evidence is there that Slandaar is scum?

I haven't liked some of his pushes, and he isn't scumhunting to the degree I'd expect. He's putting out an occasional case, yes, but they tend to be weak and he doesn't push them very hard. I get the sense that he's a better scumhunter than he is displaying in this game. It's almost like he's putting in enough effort for it to look like he's scumhunting at a glance, but for the most part he's trying to stay out of the town's eye.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4615 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:24 pm

khan defending Slandaar hard here...

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4616 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:28 pm

In post 4615, Nero Cain wrote:khan defending Slandaar hard here...

Mostly because I'm still loving the Nachomamma8/CrashTextDummie case against you.

@Bulbazak - Kinda vague, though I agree with the charge of active lurking.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4617 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:30 pm

you are defending Slandaar 'cause you like the case against me? How does that make any sense what-so-ever?

Bulbazak · Post Post #4618 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:32 pm

In post 4616, Kublai Khan wrote: @Bulbazak - Kinda vague, though I agree with the charge of active lurking.

It's kinda what I'm remembering given the sleep-addled state of my brain. I can probably go through his ISO later and find specific quotes that pinged me, but from what I remembered, it was that he was not really scumhunting.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4619 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:36 pm

@Nero Cain - Because I think it's most more likely that you are scum and you're just attacking anyone that isn't dogpiling onto someone who is not-you. Hence you popping up to accuse me of "hard defending".

Nero Cain · Post Post #4620 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:39 pm

lol no.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4621 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:43 pm

Hmm, okay probably not.

Still, your Balbazak wagon is bad. He's very town.

PeregrineV · Post Post #4622 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:39 pm

In post 4614, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4613, Kublai Khan wrote: So anyone who assumes a 3-person scum teams is town, but assuming a 4-person scum team is scum. Because typical multiball theory is two 3-person scum teams, yes?
Standard setup spec would assume 6 scum in a 24 player setup, and in the event of multiball, even scum teams.

In post 4613, Kublai Khan wrote: What other evidence is there that Slandaar is scum?
I haven't liked some of his pushes, and he isn't scumhunting to the degree I'd expect. He's putting out an occasional case, yes, but they tend to be weak and he doesn't push them very hard. I get the sense that he's a better scumhunter than he is displaying in this game. It's almost like he's putting in enough effort for it to look like he's scumhunting at a glance, but for the most part he's trying to stay out of the town's eye.

No, 24 player games can be 5, 6, 3 and 3 or 4 and 4. Not sure I caught it all, but Slandaar knows this.

3 and 3 : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=26483
4 and 4: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=24478

PeregrineV · Post Post #4623 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:48 pm

In post 3244, Slandaar wrote:I think you are missing the point.

If Ryu was that obvious he would have been lynched.

So, why do you think every redscum would think Ryu was scum?

In post 4286, PeregrineV wrote:My thoughts from the vote history:
Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

If not Seanald, then Slandaar.

Vote: Slandaar

Guess I better go check if he answered my neighbor question back somewhere.

PeregrineV · Post Post #4624 (ISO) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:08 pm

Ones I'm going to go out on a limb and call town:
18. ArcAngel9
6. Bacde (roflcopter)
7. Bulbazak - I thought this was the Bulb hydra. I'll have to look him opver again.
8. Desperado
12. ThAdmiral (ActionDan, Hanzo_5)
13. Rena(/Haylen) (fuzzybutternut)
15. Amethyst Kitty [hydra]

Probably town:
5. Nero Cain
9. penguin_alien (Baby Spice)
2. Cephrir

Null: Kiss my ass. This is 185 page game- there are no nulls at this point.

<<< I admit it, I lol'd. >>>

Slight suspicions on:
14. Kublai Khan (Rondar)
16. ffullisade [hydra]
17. Human Destroyer (Om the Destroyer [hydra])
1. CrashTextDummie

Strongly leaning scum:
10. Slandaar
11. Seanald
3. Nachomamma8