Kingmaker II-Game Over

[Mastermind of Sin]

Seriously. I'm getting

VERY

impatient. I like this game so far, but I find myself wanting

anything

to happen, and I'm getting very bored. So bored, I've started merely skimming other players' posts.

Also,

Unvote DragonsofSummer

... I still feel like I think Phoebus was town. I donno.

And you wonder why I don't particularly care about this game anymore? LoL

[spectrumvoid]

*prods king*

If kingy would give us some input, I'm sure this game will get going again.

[Glork]

And you wonder why I don't particularly care about this game anymore? LoL

Don't give me that shit. You've been acting like a bum since your very first post of the game.

[DragonsofSummer]

*prods king*

If kingy would give us some input, I'm sure this game will get going again.

I agree with this completely. He posted on page 57 to tell us he had something interesting in the works, but after that he disappeared, and we have just kept squabbling between our selves because no one is really posting anything anymore.

[Mastermind of Sin]

And you wonder why I don't particularly care about this game anymore? LoL

Don't give me that shit. You've been acting like a bum since your very first post of the game.

Yes, but at least at the beginning of the game I was contributing. The bumness has been increasing exponentially.

[RafK]

I've now re-read day 2 but I'm at work without access to notes. The short version of spectrumvoid's day 2 that caught my eye strongly after the fact was the way she spent much of the day consistently defending Pooky. At this point in day 3, it also catches my eye that she also strongly defended Yos. With both Pooky and Yos on Glork's list of execution, spectrumvoid's choice of execution was "neither of them".

From here on, it's going to get a little confusing. Here's why: I don't want either Yos or Pooky to get executed

It felt like she started the day fairly interested in sucking up to day 2's king (Glork), as she did to day 1's king on day 1 (PJ), but once Glork crusaded against Pooky, she wavered trying to say that Glork had some good points but also that Pooky wasn't too bad, and then just gave up and attacked Glork and fully defended Pooky.

She also attacked other people that attacked Pooky and Yos, such as bird1111 (in http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 438#475438)

And like Yos (most likely following Yos' lead, actually), she picked Phoebus as her deflection-lynch target.


Oh yeah, and I found it most amusing that spectrumvoid also used the "let's lynch someone who's gone AWOL so they don't need to be replaced" thing. And she was definitely serious about it. And her candidate for missing-guy lynch was Mert.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 689#481689


Then at the start of day 3, she immediately comes out swinging at Glork (and simultaneously FOSing LL for being a Pooky supporter. Pot. Kettle. Black).

After being put under pressure regarding her anti-Glork behaviour, she eventually climbed down in http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 786#493786

This brings us up to the point I replaced in to the game. I'll give SV a chance to explain this stuff too, and then deal with her reply to day 1 and her reply to the above together.

[Fritzler]

i still have not heard from Brian yet, but i am getting close to finishing rereading the thread. Every time i come back, a new page is added! Oh and SpectrumVoid, nice quip about the replacements.

omgus : SV

shouldn't your avatar have a ps1in it

also

deadie make a choice

even if its me

i don't care

lets go

kingmaker, never choose him again

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yeah, our Kingmaker sucks.

[BrianMcQueso]

Sorry guys, I was out of town for the weekend and forgot to tell this game.

Yes,

Shanba

replaces Nightfall. Welcome aboard!

You guys want a vote count or something?

[petroleumjelly]

<might end up being a duplicate post>

So long as you're asking, sure, I'll take a vote count.

And a Strawberry Bellini, if you serve them. I think jelly needs a drink.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Can we get a prod on Dead?

[spectrumvoid]

Cool! Activity!

First off, I have brought up bird earlier since the start of day 2, and I've mentioned him a couple of times. Too lazy to go bring them up, but it's easy to verify this looking at my posts in isolation. So it's wrong of you to say that I attaked bird because he attacked Pooky and Yos.

I wasn't defending Yos, I was repeatedly pointing out that Glork's case for Yos was extremely weak. I felt that Glork's attacks on Yos didn't make sense because a. he refused to give a reason, b. when pressurised to give one he said he was 'unable to articulate one' or something like that c. he repeatedly banged on Yos for not answering his accusations, when there weren't any. (I summarised all my reasons in the post you linked to.)

a. b. c. are classic scum tells. Therefore I concluded at that point in time Glork = scum. Since I thought Glork = scum, the people on his LOS were obviously town (or so I assumed anyway.) That's where the defending of Yos and Pooky came in.

The lynch the AWOL guy thing is a mispresentation. Here's a part of the actual post:

About Mert:
I'm not sure if someone has pointed this out, but Mert has kinda gone missing in all his games, and he's stated that he won't be coming back. Unless I missed it, I don't think we've gotten a replacement for him, so no one will answer the attacks against him.

I'm kinda neutral about this, and here's why:
1) This is pure strat without taking Mert's possible scumminess into account, but should we be lynching someone who won't respond? I think lynching someone else might give us info for tomorrow.

2) Again, pure strat.
We haven't managed to get a replacement for Mert yet. And if we get one, will the replacement just pop up and get lynched? It's also tough to find replacements for a 40+ page game I think, and it's unfair for the newbie to defend himself. With that in mind, I'd say we lynch Mert purely to get rid of dead weight.

I haven't really decided which option I favour, but I thought I'd at least post my thoughts about it. Of course, both are void if 1) if we get a replacement soon (unlikely) 2) If there's someone more scummy on the LOE.

And I didn't pick Phoebus as a deflection lynch. Here's exactly what I said about it:

From here on, it's going to get a little confusing. Here's why: I don't want either Yos or Pooky to get executed, but

I don't have a better candidate to recommend.

blahblah

I think we're missing a few people. What happened to phoebus? I remember voting him, but I completely forgot he's even in till I read lowell's 1013.[/quote]

I backed down on Glork after I realised that he was under no pressure to bus a scum buddy. Call it stupid, but I forgot this was kingmaker. And it's undeniable that Glork did make the scum tells I mentioned above.

[spectrumvoid]

Ignore the earlier post. I screwed up the tags.

Cool! Activity!

First off, I have brought up bird earlier since the start of day 2, and I've mentioned him a couple of times. Too lazy to go bring them up, but it's easy to verify this looking at my posts in isolation. So it's wrong of you to say that I attaked bird because he attacked Pooky and Yos.

I wasn't defending Yos, I was repeatedly pointing out that Glork's case for Yos was extremely weak. I felt that Glork's attacks on Yos didn't make sense because a. he refused to give a reason, b. when pressurised to give one he said he was 'unable to articulate one' or something like that c. he repeatedly banged on Yos for not answering his accusations, when there weren't any. (I summarised all my reasons in the post you linked to.)

a. b. c. are classic scum tells. Therefore I concluded at that point in time Glork = scum. Since I thought Glork = scum, the people on his LOS were obviously town (or so I assumed anyway.) That's where the defending of Yos and Pooky came in.

The lynch the AWOL guy thing is a mispresentation. Here's a part of the actual post:

About Mert:
I'm not sure if someone has pointed this out, but Mert has kinda gone missing in all his games, and he's stated that he won't be coming back. Unless I missed it, I don't think we've gotten a replacement for him, so no one will answer the attacks against him.

I'm kinda neutral about this, and here's why:
1) This is pure strat without taking Mert's possible scumminess into account, but should we be lynching someone who won't respond? I think lynching someone else might give us info for tomorrow.

2) Again, pure strat.
We haven't managed to get a replacement for Mert yet. And if we get one, will the replacement just pop up and get lynched? It's also tough to find replacements for a 40+ page game I think, and it's unfair for the newbie to defend himself. With that in mind, I'd say we lynch Mert purely to get rid of dead weight.

I haven't really decided which option I favour, but I thought I'd at least post my thoughts about it. Of course, both are void if 1) if we get a replacement soon (unlikely) 2) If there's someone more scummy on the LOE.

And I didn't pick Phoebus as a deflection lynch. Here's exactly what I said about it:

From here on, it's going to get a little confusing. Here's why: I don't want either Yos or Pooky to get executed, but

I don't have a better candidate to recommend.

blahblah

I think we're missing a few people. What happened to phoebus? I remember voting him, but I completely forgot he's even in till I read lowell's 1013.

I backed down on Glork after I realised that he was under no pressure to bus a scum buddy. Call it stupid, but I forgot this was kingmaker. And it's undeniable that Glork did make the scum tells I mentioned above.

At this point in time, I also don't particularly who we lynch as long as it's SOMEBODY.

[BrianMcQueso]

We have another replacement waiting. Is there anyone specific that needs to be replaced?

[pablito]

I think CrashTextDummie needs replacing.

[Glork]

I think CrashTextDummie needs replacing.

Yes, definitely.

[pablito]

Der Hammer needs a strong poke as well, but doesn't look like we need replacing there.

[Glork]

<might end up being a duplicate post>

...no duplicate post, obviously, but do you have

something

for us to mull over?


Also, that

Vote Count

would be pretty nice right now.

[BrianMcQueso]

Mnowax replaces CrashTextDummie. Will prod Der Hammer and King Dead Rikimaru.

If you voted for someone who was replaced, you are now voting for the replacement. Bear this in mind if you find that I have you voting for someone you don't remember voting for.

VOTE COUNT

*King Dead Rikimaru*

Cogito Ergo Sum (2): Mnowax
Der Hammer (2):
DragonsofSummer (4): Mnowax, MastermindofSin, LuckayLuck
Fritzler (1): Toaster Streudel
Glork (1): Mastermind of Sin, Fritzler, Der Hammer, LuckayLuck
KaleiÐoscøpe (0): pablito
Lowell (0): spectrumvoid, Mnowax
LuckayLuck (6): spectrumvoid, Yosarian2
Mastermind of Sin (4):
Mnowax (3):
Nightfall (0):
Olio (1): pablito, LuckayLuck, Toaster Streudel, Yosarian2
pablito (2): LuckayLuck, olio, petroleumjelly, RafK, Mastermind of Sin
petroleumjelly (1): Spectrumvoid, DragonsofSummer, Der Hammer, LuckayLuck
RafK (1): spectrumvoid, Yosarian2, Cogito Ergo Sum
spectrumvoid (4): Glork
Toaster Streudel (2): DragonsofSummer, LuckayLuck
Yosarian2 (4): DragonsofSummer, Cogito Ergo Sum, Mastermind of Sin
Zindaras (0): Yosarian2, DragonsofSummer

[Shanba]

Just confiriming that I am indeed here, however I'm busy making myself a list of long and confusing notes either pointing out the obvious or contradicting themselves. I've just about reached day 2 on my notes, however from my preliminary read I have some preliminary suspicions. I'll let you know in a bit.
Oh, and just in case

Unvote all

, although my predecessor appears not to have been voting anyone.

[mnowax]

Unvote all

as well and

vote MoS

this game has a lot of people that are replacejing. this day might not need to last longer, but give some of these people time. only scum would benefit from lynching right now.

[Fritzler]

Yeah, our Kingmaker sucks.

no kidding, im not king

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CTD didn't need replacing, he needed dying, dammit.

[spectrumvoid]

Has the king replied?

[olio]

Well, RafK misrepresented my posts, and you did use that misrepresentation ("Yos said it was just a joke!" which I, in fact, did not say) as an excuse to vote for me. I never said that was your only excuse for voting for me; in fact you also had a second, crappy, excuse for voting for me.

I'm bit confused: are you saying that line wasn't just a joke? Also, when you said

now it looks like Ollo is going to use your misrepresentations of my posts as an excuse to vote for me

nowhere in that post you didn't mention that second, crappy excuse.

And again, if you are really being serious in trying to argue here that was supposed to be a fruedian slip on my part, what is it my subconsious was supposed to have said by deleating the never while I was editing the post? That the origional post WAS supposed to be a serious attack on Phoebus? Please.

Correct.