NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #4400 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:52 am

One-Hundred-Fourth Votecount

:

(Thirty-Sevent Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "I really wish I were eating breakfast right now but Im posting this VC

" votecount.

)

Seanald - 5 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien, Desperado)

Nero Cain - 4 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Cephrir, Kublai Khan)

ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Bulbazak - 1 (Nero Cain)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)

Not Voting - 4 (Seanald, Bulbazak, Rena, ffullisade)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Seanald

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 175, post 4350.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4401 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:52 am

...

and everyone thinks Khan is town?

No one's even given me a town-case on Khan when I asked for it,

In post 4067, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Mollie, I apologize for calling you stupid, though I don't like having what I think to be my two worst scum games (popcorn and Hard-boiled) and my worst town game on site (Polygamist) being used as a meta-point against me.
that, combined with the fact that you flipped from weak-town to full out scum before we could even speak to you and when we promised that we will talk to you when given the time to irritated me and not being able to do much about it sucked.

what do you think of the points I stated about Khan?

specifically, the setting up mis-lynches, his response to that, how he tries to deflect from that being used against him, and how the battle between us started?

I would like answer to the above from Nacho as well.

and Nero.

and I'm still waiting for responses to this

penguin_alien · Post Post #4402 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:46 am

Yeah, CTD in combination with Nacho is pretty persuasive. And active scum is more dangerous to us than scum that's been MIA for a week+ if they're both scum.

UNVOTE: Seanald
VOTE: Nero Cain

Bulbazak · Post Post #4403 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:25 am

In post 4356, Nero Cain wrote: + there's the fact that he didn't vote scumThez which I find rather odd.

I had limited access at the time, and I ended up being behind for most of the day (I caught up during the night cycle.). There was no way that I was going to place a vote without being fully caught up with the thread, as I could have missed crucial information or have accidentally hammered and left the town without information they could use later on.

In post 4363, Bacde wrote: I guess bulba has been rather mechanical this game

especially with his posts that go "on to page 135" and then "on to page 148" which have the feel of post-by-posting but never seem to truly follow up with great insight

I've done that as both alignments.

In post 4368, Desperado wrote:He also relied a lot less on his book of fallacies...played more loosely, more emotionally.

Bulb: can you link us to a town and scum game you think are representative?

The only other scum game besides Donner Party is Newbie 1333. As for town, probably the most useful would be Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple. My pushes on Metal Overlord and Antilles should be of great interest to you, as should my play on d1 and d2. I realized I was going to die at some point on d3 and decided to troll Dripping Goofballs who was pushing for my mislynch. My hope was that if I died, I could take a scumread down with me. Thankfully that didn't happen, as DGB was town. I'd also suggest reading through the Dead QT, as Nero was in a scum hydra with Mastin, and I believe that he bewailed the fact that he didn't play more in line with his town game. I'm also going to throw in Amurika Mafia, as it has been mentioned several times in game, and I'm starting to feel more like I did in that game, which is to say drained and irritated that no one is listening.

In post 4378, Slandaar wrote:I see you have not been reading the thread Bulbazak.

I've been doing my best, although given my current circumstances and the way the game moves, I am not always caught up. I try to pack my posts with as much content as I possibly can, but I can understand why some people refuse to read them (although I still think this is anti-town). What gets me is how you can then turn around and say that I am lurking (which is provably false and could have been answered by simply reading the thread or glancing at a vote count) and that I'm posting zero content (which is plainly insulting). I've tried to explain it to you nicely, but you refuse to hear any of it. And I'm not going to get into it with you, because looking at your rebuttal, there is nothing substantial to get into, and all I'd be doing would be allowing myself to fall into a useless argument, which I refuse to do, especially with how draining my current back and forth with Nero is. Getting into it with you, on something so insubstantial and trivial does nothing for the town. Now, either I'm right about this whole situation, and this is scum you trying to instigate a fight that will distract town and muddy the waters and ultimately lead town to ignore both of us, or, I'm wrong, and you are town experiencing a clash of playstyle and misinterpreting that as scummy. Either way, it is not in my best interest, or town's, to get into it with you.

mastin2 · Post Post #4404 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:31 am

<<< Seanald has been prodded, and pokes have been sent. >>>

Seanald · Post Post #4405 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:54 am

Ok still here, I had to get a new network adapter I couldn't connect to the Internet for a few days. Been trying read through my phone but it's so clumsy. I'll be dedicating to catch back up and put some effort it.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #4406 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:36 pm

In post 4397, Cephrir wrote:*swish* CTD wins! More Nero votes or an en-masse switch back to Seanald, please. They're both scum.

I'd prefer the en-masse switch back to seanald, but I'm actually ok with either wagon at this stage.

ffullisade · Post Post #4407 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:32 pm

In post 4401, Amethyst Kitty wrote:...

and everyone thinks Khan is town?

No one's even given me a town-case on Khan when I asked for it,

In post 4067, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Mollie, I apologize for calling you stupid, though I don't like having what I think to be my two worst scum games (popcorn and Hard-boiled) and my worst town game on site (Polygamist) being used as a meta-point against me.
that, combined with the fact that you flipped from weak-town to full out scum before we could even speak to you and when we promised that we will talk to you when given the time to irritated me and not being able to do much about it sucked.

what do you think of the points I stated about Khan?

specifically, the setting up mis-lynches, his response to that, how he tries to deflect from that being used against him, and how the battle between us started?

I would like answer to the above from Nacho as well.

and Nero.
and I'm still waiting for responses to this

well we were town reading khan so

but lets say khan is scum.

I think his nixing fery's attempts at rounding up town and his confusion of red/thez is scummy. yeah it is not in the realm of impossibility that he is scum.

and if you guys are town then yeah that would lend weight to me thinking he is scummy. if mara is town I actually trust her scumdar.

he read as town to me cos of the content of his posts. he isn't misstepping much. I am not ruling it out but we have to take in your posts too.

Slandaar · Post Post #4408 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:56 am

I didn't say you are lurking more like you are posting a lot of manufactured noise. We will leave it at that for now Bulbazak.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #4409 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:16 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbazak

Flash wagon anyone?

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #4410 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:36 am

HD, why are you not the least bit interested in lynching Nero-scum?

Slandaar, please drop whatever it is you're doing and sheep me.

I'll have that post up tonight so Bulba can place his vote again. Sorry for the delay.

Desperado · Post Post #4411 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:10 am

In post 4410, CrashTextDummie wrote:HD, why are you not the least bit interested in lynching Nero-scum?

I'd ask you the same question about Seanald. The only time you've mentioned him has been to say that his wagon is a least common denominator lynch, which is frankly insulting to me.

I assume by "least common denominator" you mean it's the least controversial lynch, but I would argue that there's no backlash because the case is good and he's done nothing to defend himself from it (other than tell me that it's good and that he wishes we could use our QT to work together, which doesn't fly when a) we haven't been doing that to begin with and b) what he has said he would do in that QT, he has not followed through with).

My problem with your Nero case lately is that we

still don't even know it's multiball

. If it isn't, your entire case goes up in flames. I think my Seanald case is stronger than your Nero case, straight up.

mastin2 · Post Post #4412 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:16 am

<<< Nachomamma8 has been prodded. >>>

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #4413 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:55 am

Desperado, you are spooking me a great fucking deal. It's like we've entered bizzarro land.

You vote Nero Cain, and all it takes for you to move on is him showing up to defend himself ("stop flailing like a wuss", as you so nicely put it). It's enough for you to move him into the "likely won't lynch" pile even. I'm beginning to question why you voted him in the first place, he certainly hasn't defended well against the most pressing issues at hand. And now you've started defending him with arguments that are just astonishingly bad to me:

1. This is a normal game. Giving the scum team a color distinction when there's not actually a second scum team to match it is tantamount to bastard moddery. It's at the very least mod trickery, which is already against the spirit of normal games, and I'd be severely pissed off with Mastin and whomever greenlit the game if that was the case. In addition, we have had two kills a night and a third killing party claimed in ThAd. There is every reason to assume this is a multiball game at this point.
2. Even if it wasn't a multiball game, it doesn't have

any

bearing on Nero Cain's scumminess. He said something that directly contradicts his claimed game theory stance, to defend a player of questionable alignment (AK, who you read as scum). He claimed having this game theory stance to defend a

very

questionable line of reasoning he used to help lynch OS-town. There is

not a single thing

about this whole story that adds up to Nero being town and it doesn't make a lick of difference whether he knew this was multiball, thought this was multiball or knew the opposite.

Not only did you do an almost complete U-turn on Nero, you also apparently threw the big issue you had with the Seanald wagon out the window. The vast majority of your strong town reads still don't support a Seanald lynch, while the vast majority of your other scum reads does or did at the height of the wagon. I reread your case against him, and it's still not as strong as you make it out to be. The totality of your valid points doesn't even come close to matching the one huge point against Nero in scumminess, and there are other strong points in favor of Nero scum in addition to that.

Seriously, get a grip.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4414 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:27 am

In post 4377, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4316, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4308, Bulbazak wrote:I've been pushing Nero as scum since the end of d1 based on his deflection.
Which was no more of a "deflection" than Kitty's "ZOMG, LOOK AT THE FITH VOTE!!!" or Mollie's "U R DUMB!" or whatever fucktarded thing she said.

I mean, really. I asked Khan why he thought my setup speculation was scummy despite others doing it. That's no different then your view of Kitty asking my why I didn't find Bcade's 5th vote (THAT WASN'T EVEN A VOTE!!!) scummy/opportunistic.

and now that I'm the leading wagon your vote is where? That's right. You aren't voting. Which is a big reason why I'm reading you as scum, I've been your #1 suspect since day 2 and instead of being overjoyed and hopping on my wagon you are tentative as fuck to vote me wich doesn't strike me as town in the least.

please die scum.
Your actual refusal to read is irritating me so much that I'm starting to get a headache. When Seanald's wagon got to L-3, CTD asked to be given some time to make some final posts regarding the game. Therefore, I unvoted to give him the time he needed. Why would I, then, immediately turn around and vote you, who was reaching the same levels as Seanald, after I had unvoted in the first place in order to give CTD more time? That's why I asked CTD if he had finished making his final posts, especially since I saw him not only voting you, but moaning about your wagon slowing down. As soon as I find out he's finished with what he needed to do, I will be voting for you, as my scumread on your slot is stronger.

Ah, I see you are buddying CTD. Would you like help with that? (no one will get that)

I don't see any point in you not voting me when I'm not in danger of getting lynched so this whole "I'M CATERING TO CTD!" looks nothing more than buddying. What made me leapfrog over Sean?

In post 4318, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4305, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote: That's like half the point of this game; to speculate on players motives. But the question has NOTHING to do with Bcade and everything to do with AK using a "hey look over there defense".
First, you were asking me about player motives based on votes that may or may not exist, from Bacde no less. Bacde's voting history has been eratic, and I really don't want to get into this, especially in a conversation that's about YOU, not AK. Second, AK was not using a "hey look over there defense", she was asking about your motives and criteria.
This is extremely relevant to our conversation/argument. If YOU think that she was asking me about my motives then its a fair question to ask you why she felt that I should have called out Bacade on his "5th vote"

In post 701, mastin2 wrote:Sixteenth Votecount: (AKA, the "Times are a changin, votes are a not" votecount)
Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)
As you can see, bacde was already on the Nacho wagon and therefore his revote was NOT the 5th vote.

YOU are claiming that this was not a deflect and her asking about my motives. I'm calling bullshit on this 'cause Bacde didn't even have the 5th vote on the Nacho wagon and so Kitty's post looks like nothing more than a "hey look over there" post 'cause I find it very very hard for Mala to legit believe that I should have found his post scummy/opportunistic when he wasn't even the 5th vote.

So explain to me how she was asking about motive and criteria based on a not actual vote.
But this conversation is not about AK's motivation at all. This is about your deflection onto 3 other players. I have explained in great detail the difference between your post and AK's, which you seem intent not to listen to. You have since been trying to steer the conversation away from the original point and onto AK herself, which is in and of itself a deflection, which you have claimed you are not doing.

As for the Bacde 5th vote point, Bacde actually reemphasized his vote after AK placed her vote on Nacho. AK could have easily thought that Bacde was the 5th vote, which was why she was asking about your criteria.

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This is scum faking dumb town. period.

Bulb already IS discussing AK's motivation. He's saying it was her asking about MY criteria and casting it in a pr0-town light. I feel like if he's going to defend Kitty he should understand the context of what happened.

I asked Khan why he read my post as scum. Which is actually no different then AK asking me why I wasn't scumreading Bacade's "5th vote".

In post 4318, Nero Cain wrote: This tells me that you are specifically attacking me, weather you think I'm a soft target or if weather I'm scumreading a buddy of yours, it doesn't matter. What matters is that you are selectively scumhunting me and I want to know why you find my "deflect scummy" but not Mollies or Kitties?
As I've repeatedly explained, AK wasn't deflecting, and I've explained this using everything from context to actual post structure. She asked about your criteria, and that question was a small part of a larger post, and therefore didn't hold as much weight. Your deflection was the main point of your post, as that was what the entire post was focused on. You were not asking about criteria, but why Khan wasn't looking elsewhere. You then proceeded to ask him why he did not read you as town. The entirety of your post was scummy, whereas AK's was not.

Are you now accusing Mollie of deflecting as well?

Are you reading this game at all?!? I accused Mollie of deflecting way back on day 1.

In post 4318, Nero Cain wrote: I think your defense of Kittens is scummy. Weather they are town and you are defending them for cred or they are your scumbuddy doesn't really matter to me and we'll cross that bridge after you flip scum. The point is that, your defense of the slot looks scummy to me and that I and no one (besides the mods and your maybe scumbuddy) but you know if you are scum defending scum or scum defending town.

What about my defense looks scummy?

lets see, the fact that context says AK wasn't asking about my criteria and even if she was and was just stupid for some reason, I'm asking Khan the same damn thing and your tring to make this into a "Nero did something different!"

I also find it odd that AK hasn't chimed in about this yet.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4415 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:41 am

In post 4390, penguin_alien wrote:Nero, you say Bulbazak defended something from AK that he found scummy on you. Given that you are obviously different players, and
we have 4000+ posts to work with
, why would you expect him to respond to both of you in the exact same way?

I don't understand what the bolded has to do with anything 'cause Bulb is arguing that my asking KK why he was specifically reading my setup speculation as scum but AK asking my why I wasn't scumreading Bacde for his "5th opportunistic vote" This is apples to apples and Bulb is trying to make it look like apples to oranges

In post 4391, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Actually I said this to Mara after the Donner Party game ended. There was something similar that was said here to something said there. Bulb had a total different reaction to it here which made me lean town on him mainly because he was SK in DP.

Why are you being intentionally vague here...again?

In post 4402, penguin_alien wrote:Yeah, CTD in combination with Nacho is pretty persuasive. And active scum is more dangerous to us than scum that's been MIA for a week+ if they're both scum.

UNVOTE: Seanald
VOTE: Nero Cain

lol no.

First of all, there is no "they are both scum". Its either Sean is scum or neither of us is scum. 2nd of all I really hate this "I'm going to proxy my vote". Not saying that town can't sheep but really, its just allowing scum to blend in.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4416 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:58 am

In post 4406, ThAdmiral wrote:
In post 4397, Cephrir wrote:*swish* CTD wins! More Nero votes or an en-masse switch back to Seanald, please. They're both scum.
I'd prefer the en-masse switch back to seanald, but I'm actually ok with either wagon at this stage.

I'd prefer neither of us. My preferred lynched would be Bulb or Cephir. Half of me is like "I know I'm town so if I have to lynch Sean, whose alignment I do not know, then fine" but the other half is like "Well, my mislynch today would not hurt the town as much as it would down the road." So I don't really know what to do.

You should join me on Bulb.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4417 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:10 am

In post 4334, Nero Cain wrote:CTD/Slandaar. Why have ya'll yet to summarize ya'lls qt?

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

Please answer this.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4418 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:43 pm

In post 4401, Amethyst Kitty wrote:...

and everyone thinks Khan is town?

No one's even given me a town-case on Khan when I asked for it,

In post 4067, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Mollie, I apologize for calling you stupid, though I don't like having what I think to be my two worst scum games (popcorn and Hard-boiled) and my worst town game on site (Polygamist) being used as a meta-point against me.
that, combined with the fact that you flipped from weak-town to full out scum before we could even speak to you and when we promised that we will talk to you when given the time to irritated me and not being able to do much about it sucked.

what do you think of the points I stated about Khan?

specifically, the setting up mis-lynches, his response to that, how he tries to deflect from that being used against him, and how the battle between us started?

I would like answer to the above from Nacho as well.

and Nero.
and I'm still waiting for responses to this

IDK, Khan's been a lil' lurky and his empty vote on me is suspect. He's a null read for me but I can reread ya'lls hissy fit and see what its all about.

Slandaar · Post Post #4419 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:51 pm

Don't see the point.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4420 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:54 pm

*shrugz* CTD said he wanted to and then he never did so I just wanted to know what was going on. Did you say no when he asked?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4421 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:31 pm

and what are your thoughts on the Seanald wagon Nero? because I don't like how it was formed at all.

Mollie, I don't particularly find anything appealing in his content, looking more closely at his posts

and most of his analyzing came when he started being attacked.

I will put my own Credibility on the line for This Khan lynch

ISO · Post Post #4422 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:43 pm

you don't have any credibility to put on the line

PeregrineV · Post Post #4423 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:14 pm

In post 4417, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4334, Nero Cain wrote:CTD/Slandaar. Why have ya'll yet to summarize ya'lls qt?

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>
Please answer this.

In post 4419, Slandaar wrote:Don't see the point.

Pretty sure I had to answer, explain, and then explain some more about our QT. And it's about shit I didn't even write.

Why can't you be assed to do yours?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4424 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:18 pm

In post 426, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 420, Cephrir wrote:Nero, please stop pretending to have a PR in a normal game.
This is a normal game?!?

In post 434, Nero Cain wrote:no he's still scum just for another reason

In post 435, Nero Cain wrote:no he's still scum just for another reason

In post 436, Nero Cain wrote:this makes me laugh, debating weather or not I have a PR

In post 442, Nero Cain wrote:leave the stupid fruit alone, Nero is town and even derp as fuck Mollie knows it. Now lets all kill Fenix.

In post 445, Nero Cain wrote:HAI MOLLIE!!!

What do you mean what gives, Fuzzy?

Along with he was voting early on, there's alot of humor in these posts along with his normal early Bias that Nero Exhibited in the game we played together, when it came to him attacking TIP and when it came to him attacking Ffery/Ineffective Hydra. He has the "this dude is scum, let kill him and then you can all thank me later" kinda mindest and is being somewhat loose. Nero doesn't like playing scum, he's stated that to me alot of times, and he even told me, when we signed up for the Micro that he would flip shit if our slot ended up drawing scum. It actually looks like he wants to be in this game

In post 458, Nero Cain wrote:Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think that you put me "under a microscope". Obviously I was trolling and faking a PR so that's why I wasn't talking.

Tell me why you think B&TB is scum.

Him thinking that w/e he states should be pretty fucking obvious to everyone else. As town, he always has this expectation that his team should know what he's saying, and what he means. Unrealistic most of the time, but he has it.

In post 502, Nero Cain wrote:IDK...lynching Arc would be a total utility lynch.

Unsure of an wagon that he knows is easy. Along with this, he's pushing who he believes are actually scum.

In post 509, Nero Cain wrote:Tell me why do I read as independent as opposed to scum? Can't hunt your own team?

In post 512, Nero Cain wrote:hey look!! A deflection.

More humor, in a sarcastic kind of way. I kinda laughed when I read these posts

In post 526, Nero Cain wrote:hello kitty, what do you think about the mollie + OS vs. Nero and Despo bickering on the last page?

Wants other peoples thoughts on things that he thinks are important

In post 586, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 584, Nachomamma8 wrote:Nero, that point was pretty stupid.
???????????

Mollie called me 3rd party.
I asked why I read specifically as third party.
Mollie deflects away and ad homs instead of answering a simple fucking question.
I point out said deflection.

Why is this a bad/stupid point, Nacho?

Translation: I think my points are sound and I don't think you should call them stupid

it's a sign that he's somewhat proud of what he's put forth and is offended by someone calling it stupid. I think Pride is a town-Nero trait

In post 622, Nero Cain wrote:Mollie sheeping me?!? It really is the apocalypse!

Moar Humor.

In post 628, Nero Cain wrote:That vote looks kinda suspicious.....I wanted Nacho to be scum so bad.

He's second guessing his read here based on my attack on Nacho. He's admitting that he could be wrong, something I don't think he'd do as scum and there's a tad bit of paranoia in here as well.

In post 704, Nero Cain wrote:bulb, would you stop ignoring what's going on between me, Mollie, Despo, and Nacho. Why no comment?

Translation: There's something important here RE me and I don't like you ignoring it, stop ignoring it.

more of that town pride thing from Nero

In post 731, Nero Cain wrote:I'll tell you what I don't like. You're vote was the 4th vote on Nacho. Now of course you can easily saw "oh well we were behind and didn't know there was a nacho wagon." but its incredibly convenient me thinks.

A subtle way of telling someone that he thinks scum slipped

In post 744, Nero Cain wrote:I'll read Bulb more in detail later but my gut reaction says town, B&TB might be town 'cause Maj prob would put a leash on scummy/dumb as fuck Mollie. Ditto for OS, seems like he's more careful as scum. Though either way I don't really care about their alignments and I think its in the best intrest of the town to get rid of them. I think Nacho is scum.

<<< Deleted double-post. >>>

He goes back to his nacho scum read, very, very, very town Neroish. He's sticky with his strongest reads and will go back to them regardless of being right or wrong

In post 802, Nero Cain wrote:yuck. I have a nulltown from you and my company is with Nacho, AK and Fenix? I fucking hate you, Cephir.

Translation: I should be Obv town and they aren't, why am I not Obv town.

When Nero is town, he expects everyone to know that he is town... I kinda have that tendency too I think

In post 832, Nero Cain wrote:NOPE!!! On other sites there are third parties that are NOT scum.

In post 833, Nero Cain wrote:and I think OM is playing like 3rd party.

lolol... more of that lovely, lovely humor

In post 907, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 841, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Nero wrote:pfft. Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy. That's all that needs to be said.
Why?
'cause its stupid. Mollie said something stupid and scummy, I asked about it. That's a pretty common reaction and for you to somehow think its scummy for me to ask Mollie why she said that, well you're prob scum.

Nero town conf. Bias. I know scum can be subjected to this to, but the way he's transmitting it makes me actually believe that he thinks Nacho is scum and he doesn't want to move from that. He's also irritated that he's being questions for stuff that apply to others, IE selective scum hunting which is one of his favorite scum tells

In post 907, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 844, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Mala says that Mollie caught something interesting that I had personally over looked. I do agree with her in that, it's a good point and it has to do with the entire Indie battle you had with her
This looks like nothing but strongly worded bullshit. Why were you needlessly vague here?

Town Nero annoyed that we aren't being as open as he wants us to be. He wants to know what we think, and why we think what we think but we aren't letting him in on anything and he's fustrated

In post 907, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 851, Amethyst Kitty wrote: Also can I ask you.. Your 3/4 vote on a wagon is for what size game? Meaning how many players and how accurate is it? I think you are just trying to find any reason to say we are scum and to see what sticks.
Its like any other "tell". Its listed on the wiki and from my experience in large games shows that scum still do happen to land on the 3rd vote vote.

Nero applying a general tell is what he does as town. there is also the fact that others are using that tell on him, and others aren't calling us scummy while he is. More fustration

In post 907, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 854, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Also Nero..

You state that the 3rd or 4th vote on wagon is usually scum. You tryin to indirectly state you are scum? You were the 3rd vote on two wagons so far.

~ Mala

Well isn't it obvious that I'm a 4th party surviving jester?

possible IIOA from Ryu in 864.

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humorous response is humorous

In post 1122, Nero Cain wrote:WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK.

His response to us being vague, and not giving him what he wants. another town response

In post 1201, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1169, Nachomamma8 wrote:Nero Cain is trolling most of the time. Then he latched onto the third party thing, then he made fun of mollie, then he tried to bring as much attention to the situation as possible. It doesn't really seem like a particular strong scum strategy, but I sort of liked that he made an attempt to read the people he was pushing policy lynches on and is pushing a real life scumread instead of the people he generally finds scummy anyways. Town.
Well everyone with a brain already knows that I'm town anyways...I wouldn't call that an accurate description of my play. Mollie called me a SK, I asked why Mollie called me an SK. Instead of answering said question she gets stupidly self righteous. Now maybe being a moron is a towntell for Mollie but I neither care or want to waste time debating their alignment. And I do find it scummy and not pro-town for you to berate me over a valid line of questioning. What's even worse? You supposedly didn't have a scum read on me this whole time but were more than glad to argue with me.

I also wouldn't say thet I ever really "pushed" for policy lynches just that I wouldn't care if we utility lynched a few bozos.

more of that Nero expecting people to see him as town, when he is actually town.

In post 1274, Nero Cain wrote:AK shouldn't even sniff a town read unless you're going for the too dumb to be scum tell. Her and B&TB and Ed...just get rid of that whole very very likely town group and stick em in the "prob town group"

He voices that his scum reads shouldn't be in a very, very likely town group. Town Nero doesn't like it when people don't agree with him, much less when people he thinks are very likely scum being placed in a town group

In post 1377, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1372, Amethyst Kitty wrote: Lay off or back off. Which ever one suits you better. How are we playing dumb? Go on enlighten me please. I'll be awaiting it. Why don't you try explaining to us why you think we are scum. Clearly everyone disagrees and that little argument helps no one.
So defensive.

I think ya'lls vote on Nacho was rather opportunistic. Nacho already had 3 votes on him. You laid down a 4th vote supposedly oblivious to the budding Nacho wagon, which is something that seems like it would be easy to fake. And then when I call you on it you minorly flip out and pull out the "hey look over there" defense by telling me that I should look at bcade.

In 844 you (and by you I mean your hydra) "Mala says that Mollie caught something interesting that I had personally over looked. I do agree with her in that, it's a good point and it has to do with the entire Indie battle you had with her"

Which I find needlessly vague. I see no reason for you (supposedly as town) and Mara to withhold what you "caught" and be sneaky and secretive.

AND THEN

I get this super cheeky evasive response from Mara in 1114.

Cuz
Which just makes my blood boil. This whole immature/snarky/defensive thing seems to be in vogue these days but I'll never ever like it and each time I see it from you or Mollie or Arc or whoever the fuck, I cry a lil' inside.

As for my read on you. I think your play has been pretty scummy. I don't think that
everyone
has a town read at you and those that do have it 'cause of meta. I have never played with Mala and my experience with Mara is limited so I'm willing to listen to other players that have more experience with ya'll and besides you are helping me kill Nachoscum so you get to ride in my null pile until I find out that this is multiball.

In post 1392, Nero Cain wrote:prod Nero Cain, guy is lurky as fuck

He is just beyond annoyed at this point. His scum read on us has digressed to the fact that we aren't really working with him, which is Natural thought progression from Nero

in the game we played together, he had a hard-on for the Ffery/Ineffective Hydra, and that was mostly due to the fact that he thought their attack on us was terrible, and not town like. He kept telling me that, if they are town they are dumb town

Nero Cain
05-23-2013
02:01 PM ET (US) + NEC vote on us right after I voted scumTIP may actually be a chainsaw.

Nero Cain
05-16-2013
04:53 PM ET (US)
but I still don't like what NEC is doing one bit. Their play this game is utterly horrible.

And the fact they thost two were so quick to post and respond it the early game but now are kinda lurkish is meh.

Nero Cain
05-18-2013
08:57 PM ET (US) But both EMP and BB think NEC is scum. Do you think we are just all idiots?
(his response to me saying that NEC is defs not scum)

Nero Cain (01:03)
if it was Aeries and it's an LLD alt it might be a scumtell
Nero Cain (01:08)
though I remember Aeries being a lil'...idk...passive

(part of our night talk of that game. Nero was starting to doubt Aeries town, Aeries was one of our attackers D1)

In post 1614, Nero Cain wrote:If I were scum, I'd kill B&TB (nudge, nudge scum)

Humorously challenging scum to use WIFOM to implicate him tomorrow. this post is definitely not coming from a town mindset

In post 2442, Nero Cain wrote:that's right. I'm busted.

Humourus humor, though at he same time he is starting to give a shit of what others think, especially those who aren't town reading him because their thoughts are useless to him

In post 2726, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2692, Bulbazak wrote:In post 2638, Nero Cain wrote:So its scummy that I asked Khan why he finds me scummy for something that others are doing? That's scumhunting.

No, that's deflecting. I'm not even sure how you could confuse the 2.
So answering the question and telling him why I have such a belief and then asking him why he has such a belief is a deflection? No its not, that's a normal conversation.

As an example, what Mollie did is a deflection. Answering a question is not a deflection.

In post 2692, Bulbazak wrote:In post 2691, Nero Cain wrote:What do you think of Bulb and Moz claiming that I'm deflecting away from said question but still answering it? I don't even know how that works.

I never said that you were deflecting the question. You can answer a question but still desire attention to be diverted away from you. You essentially said, "Hey, those guys are just as scummy as I am. Look at them."
So, I know that I'm town and instead of telling KK that I'm town and to stop wasting time on me I should have....let him keep wasting his time on me? That's horrible as fuck 'cause it allows your buddies (assuming you are scum) to skate by and attempt to avoid detection. I wanted to know why KK found me scummy for something that others are doing.

If I found you scummy for lurking, wouldn't you want to know why I specifically find you scummy for lurking but not others?

I actually think he has a valid point here.

In post 2991, Nero Cain wrote:ok, I see despo's calm now.

My vig kill on ffulisade also failed last night but my role isn't a killing role so that's prob why it didn't go through.

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Do I even need to say why I think this post is a town post?

In post 3018, Nero Cain wrote:I have a question Bulb. I'm obviously a scum read for you since I "deflected" a question. Yesterday, I had felt that AK laid down a pretty opportunistic vote and she goes all "hey look at Bacde's vote!!!"

Why is my deflect scummy but hers isn't?

Also, the guy (KK) who asked me the question that I "deflected" doesn't even think I was deflecting. What do you think about that?

and I think He had another really valid point here I think. His "deflection and Mala's "deflection" are of the same flavor

In post 3109, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2843, Bacde wrote:
In post 2842, Cephrir wrote:
In post 144, fuzzybutternut wrote:Tbh: I have a hard time reading Ceph.

It's not that he's not likely as scum. It's that I don't see him as scum.

Ryu, hmm. Now THERE is a likely scum if I ever saw one.

Don't want to vote him just yet though. Ryu, what do you have to say to this?

In post 153, fuzzybutternut wrote:.....................damn it, Ryu.

That's just too cute.

In post 185, fuzzybutternut wrote:What?

I don't want to lynch Ryu.
Haven't looked into every possibility yet but for now,

VOTE: Haylen
I like this

I nominate you to be the leader of the "blue scum finding town faction"
So why are you not voting this?

Valid point.

In post 3108, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I personally have him as null, that's Mala's read and I'm to lazy to search skype just to find the answer
This looks like a lie.

In post 2976, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
list of shared reads.
Mala's idea, not mine

Town

ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie) - town

Slandaar

Bulbazak

CrashTextDummie

Lean-town

ArcAngel9 [1] - Null-town

Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - leaning town

ThAdmiral

Bacde

Nachomamma8

PeregrineV

thezmon221

null

Thor665

Desperado

penguin_alien

Haylen (Mala thinks Fuzzy is scum, I think haylen is town)

EddieFenix

lean-scum

Kublai Khan

Seanald

Scum

Nero Cain

Cephir

~Mara

In the bolded, you said these were shared reads. You then claim that I’m
NOT
a shared read. OK. In that reads list you specifically stated that you two had different views on FuzzyHaylen. Why was I not given this some luxury?

He had a decent point here too I guess. He's basically confused with this list of reads, tries to figure out how this list was made, and is irritated that someone else was given treatment that isn't extended to everyone on that list. Specifically him

In post 3287, Nero Cain wrote:lol. AK hammered. I am so fake vigging that tonight.

Translation: AK is scum, nuff. said

also, it's done humorously

In post 3391, Nero Cain wrote:but Nero isn't scum. How can he explain something that isn't true?

Nero still irritated that people aren't reading him town, as town.

In post 3356, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3251, Bulbazak wrote:Also, it's like deflectception with you... Do you think that Kitty's scummy, and you want me to look at her instead? Is that it?
I don't think you know what a deflection is. Asking a player a question to see if their reads are manufactured or genuine is not a deflection. You can't both deflect and answer a question at the same time.

In post 3251, Bulbazak wrote:Am I supposed to base my scumhunting on what someone else thinks now? That's a sad defense. "Well, he doesn't think so, therefore it's not valid." Let's stick with the actual points, shall we.

Also, there are a lot of other things going on, why are you obsessed with something that is admittedly minor in the grand scheme of this game, instead of paying attention to what is going on now and actively scumhunting?
KK is a pretty strong town read for you. I would think you might listen to your town reads.

And if think that I haven't been scumhunting this game then you are a moron.

I really like this post. There are so many town driven actions here, it isn't even funny

In post 3688, Nero Cain wrote:
bulb wrote: The big difference between this quote and what you did is in tone. Kitty's question is more about the standards of the one questioning her, rather than pointing attention towards someone who did something similar. She is also not as offended with the inquiry as you were when Khan asked his question. Finally, in this instance, she is actually being called scum by you, whereas Khan was just asking a simple question and had not made any accusation, which makes your freakout even more suspicious.

And for those who are curious themselves, here is Nero's response to Khan again:
In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2583, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?
Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

You think there's a difference in our "deflects" 'cause I'm calling her scum?!? But this is still very much incorrect. The Mala head DID have a scum read on me and Mara was even ok with it until recently.

Kitty did the EXACT same thing as me. I called her fourth vote on Nacho (and her "oh I didn't know there was a Nacho wagon") opportunistic. Her questioning me about why I didn't call out Bcade for his 5th vote (despite him already being on the wagon therefore he wasn't the 5th vote) is no different then my questioning KK over why he didn't question others that were setup speculating.

Also, context says that Khan was light calling me scummy.

I agree with him here actually.

In post 3810, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3786, Bacde wrote:
In post 3783, Nero Cain wrote:.....................

my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?
I dunno, I don't particularly suspect you beyond OMGUS (especially because I don't understand why you have had a continuing suspicion of me for a few days)

but Nacho is a good scumhunter, and he suspects you

so I figure if we flip nacho and he winds up town you'd be a good vig shot

but I'm willing to substitute in your place its not a big deal especially since I'm pretty sure nacho is scum

are you being defensive right now? Its hard for me to tell whats going on inside your head
yep, only town would want to get mislynched/vigged. I'm so scummy for not wanting to waste a lynch/vig shot.

This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.

Who are your top 4 scum reads?

His little conversation here with Bacde is him being fed up with "Stupid people" but even so, he tries to communicate with him showing that he is actually going to work with who he thinks is on his team, regardless of how he thinks of them.

In post 3914, Nero Cain wrote:Would you hush?

Nero lot liking his town-play being criticized, regardless of how true it is. Town Pride, and coupled with the fact that there is no scum motivation to say this but fair amount of town one.

In post 3914, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3909, Amethyst Kitty wrote:his reasons for suspecting people aren't the best and he often thinks that the most anti-town player is scummy.
Somewhere over in MD Mastin has said two things, that town will always post scummy things and that what's scummy for one player isn't always scummy for another player.

I mean maybe my tells are a lil' dated since site meta seems to have shifted to "I'm going to play scummy regardless, now guess my alignment." Fuck, even OS (and Mastin?) has said he plays a little (I think its more like ALOT) scummy as town.

As for OS, I think I made it clear that he was prob town but that I didn't actually care if he died.

but whatever, I don't give a fuck what you think.

[/quote]
Denying that he cares about something, no scum motivation for this.

In post 4199, Nero Cain wrote:.........................................................................................

WORST TOWN EVER!!!!

I'm being voted for a bunch of fucking nothingness. Jesus Christ.

Frustrated that he still isn't being town read...

In post 4415, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4390, penguin_alien wrote:Nero, you say Bulbazak defended something from AK that he found scummy on you. Given that you are obviously different players, and
we have 4000+ posts to work with
, why would you expect him to respond to both of you in the exact same way?
I don't understand what the bolded has to do with anything 'cause Bulb is arguing that my asking KK why he was specifically reading my setup speculation as scum but AK asking my why I wasn't scumreading Bacde for his "5th opportunistic vote" This is apples to apples and Bulb is trying to make it look like apples to oranges

In post 4391, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Actually I said this to Mara after the Donner Party game ended. There was something similar that was said here to something said there. Bulb had a total different reaction to it here which made me lean town on him mainly because he was SK in DP.
Why are you being intentionally vague here...again?

In post 4402, penguin_alien wrote:Yeah, CTD in combination with Nacho is pretty persuasive. And active scum is more dangerous to us than scum that's been MIA for a week+ if they're both scum.

UNVOTE: Seanald
VOTE: Nero Cain
lol no.

First of all, there is no "they are both scum". Its either Sean is scum or neither of us is scum. 2nd of all I really hate this "I'm going to proxy my vote". Not saying that town can't sheep but really, its just allowing scum to blend in.

This post reeks of genuineness.