Mini 404: Diablo Mafia (Game Over)

[livingod]

vote chaotic_diablo

[livingod]

Let's do this Pooky The Magical Bear™ style!

ScotScum12 and Cogito Ergo Scum are obviously buddies. So is DoScum. And KaleidoScum. And Scum the Dragons. And The Central Scum didn't even confirm. Don't even get me started on TheScumMachine. Remusscum didn't even bother to post, lurking perhaps? Neither did Fruscum. Chaotic_Scum is advocating his own lynch. Pata is the only other town here (besides me).

[livingod]

DoS: I did mention you. You're DoScum.
And now my vote on chaotic_scum is warranted, somewhat.

[livingod]

Why is no one in the festive, joking Day 1 mood? Who in their right mind would ask for a page 2 lynch and be serious about it? It's not a good town tactic, not a good scum tactic either. Guys, IT'S DAY 1!!! Chill. I bet the Scrutinizer wagon has at least one scum.

[livingod]

Says you, Cogito Ergo Scum!

[livingod]

It's only the second time

[livingod]

So you're 1) awesome and 2) scum. What else is new?

[livingod]

I think that was a typo there. You obviously meant 'scummy' when you typed 'awesome'. It's understandable, the keys are right next to each other.

[livingod]

Diablo: Look who's talking? At least I did something. You, on the other hand, did not post once on page 3. As soon as someone had something important to say (like you in post 75) I would stop the joking (and I did). At least I was posting something instead of laying low. I think my vote is still on you, if it's not,

FoS crazy_devil

[livingod]

Why? Just because I said so? Do you have any reasoning behind your vote than what I already stated? I ask purely out of curiosity.

[livingod]

Ooh, was the crazy devil voting himself too now? A bit too shy to pass out a vote, perhaps because you're scum?

[livingod]

There is a difference between posting crap and posting content.

Again, I posted, you did not.

I'm not the only one who didn't post on page 3

Yet you're the only one of those whose vote is related to the structure of posts.

You've been:
1. Encouraging contentless joking
2. Ripping off pooky so you can hide behind that logic
3. Crying wolf (scum) all day long

1. I did not encourage it. If/when someone pointed out something important I would/did stop.
2. It's not logic.
3. I was ripping off Pooky, you said so yourself.

And your point is what? That you get to decide who I should vote for? Or are you suggesting that you're scum and I should vote for you?

Self voting = Baad. It's defensive. You don't want to accuse anyone because you know they're not scum, and you don't want to vote your buddy because then you'll be related. It's pretty much unconscious.

You're dancing along the WIFOM line in which I can just as likely be town or scum with my selfvote.

No, YOU'RE dancing on the WIFOM line with your self vote. WIFOM = Baad.

[livingod]

This really set something off in me:

2. It is logic. It's called a "logical fallacy". http://www.mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.p ... _Authority
Whether you feel that it is logic or not, imitating players is scummy.

It's not logic.

Relying overmuch on the

arguments

of "older, wiser" players [...] can be a fallacious arguments designed to persuade.

Bolding mine. I have not made any real arguments against anyone. It's POOKY'S style, remember? "Arguments" like that aren't meant to be taken seriously. So I don't even consider them as such.


Also:

No, YOU'RE dancing on the WIFOM line with your self vote. WIFOM = Baad.

I'll have to give you that. I'm definitely WIFOM dancing on the line.

D) Trying to justify a self vote by saying that it is totally defensive WIFOM and that there's nothing wrong with it. Double WTF?

D. I'm sure you can find something wrong with it. However, LG has provided reasoning that has been proven false.

D) Proven by who? You?

D. Explained already.

Explained!? Where? I can't see it.

[livingod]

D) Proven by who? You?

This statement really bothers me. It almost seems to me like even if C_D has proven his point, which I like his evidence more than yours right now, you won't care specifically because it is him.

FoS:TheJiveMachine

Doesn't seem very town oriented to me.

I think he meant that Diablo didn't prove his point. So he shouldn't claim that he did.

[livingod]

So you're actually considering randomly accusing a huge amount of people on Day 1 an argument?

By invoking the name or ideas of an experienced player, or Paragon of Mafia Hunters, they absolve themselves of responsibility if the theory turns out to be false later.

I have not pushed for a lynch using Pooky's style. My random accusations were not "theories" and it's quite obvious that my "theory," as the Wikiquote you refer to states, IS false because I accused everyone but me to be scum. I am not willing to support any lynch or force any claim or promote any tactic based on my random Day 1 accusations. And I hope that no one does either. Stop looking at my "Pooky"ness as an argument. it is quite blatantly Day one nonsense.

Just because it's POOKY'S style, doesn't mean you can get away with it because it isn't supposed to be taken seriously. You are not pooky and using his "style" as an excuse to justify certain actions is scummy. Stop using pooky as your argument and use something with substance.

If you do not like my random Day 1 Appeal to Authority, then I do not like your random Day 1 selfvote.

[livingod]

Then why are you on in the first place?

[livingod]

[quote="Zindaras"]

chaotic_diablo

: 4 (livingod, The Central Scrutinizer, Cogito Ergo Sum, TheJiveMachine, KaleiÐoscøpe)[/quote]

I believe that's 5.

[livingod]

Despite the fact that he's been voting the devil, TCS has done some votehopping. IGMEOY...

[livingod]

Your conversation mostly stated that my point was "unproven" due to not having any support.

Yep.

Later, you state that your point wasn't that I hadn't proved it, but it's because I was "arrogant".

100% wrong. I said you hadn't proved your point and were arrogant for assuming you had. Do you even read my posts?

That's what you said? That changes everything. My vote is now reinforced. Personality doesn't play into scumness. Using it to justify a case isn't worth scrap.

The remark about being arrogant is just there to uncover your fallacious reasoning (i.e. assuming to have proven your point). His real point wasn't you being arrogant, it was you assuming something that wasn't true. You seem to use technicalities in your above argument while missing the real point, and also ignoring TJM's rebuttal until now, when it has been brought to you on a silver platter.

[livingod]

3. Ignores my other arguments

A) Saying that posting jokes is scummier than posting nothing.
B) Only going after LG for this. If you're so opposed to "contentless joking, why did you both intially and continuously attack only one of at least three or 4 people who were doing it at the same time he was, all while you posted <i>nothing</i>?
C) Claiming that LG is trying to appeal to authority. WTF?
D) Trying to justify a self vote by saying that it is totally defensive WIFOM and that there's nothing wrong with it. Double WTF?

A. fritzler-like players are scummy.
B. I already explained beforehand. What did he do? Ignore it.
C. I gave reasoning, lots of reasoning. It's far from craplogic. Exaggerated would have been a better word if he wanted to criticize it.
D. I didn't say it was "okay", I conceded and gave livingod that point on WIFOM. Then Jive goes on about "defensive WIFOM" that has no meaning.

A Lurkers are scummier
B I gave the same reaction that you did for the selfvote accusation (call it ignoring if you will).
C Lots of reasoning, besides the fact that it's Day 1.
D You're right, you were WIFOMy.

The crux of my case against you (not all of it):
1. I FoSed lots of people early on, referring to Pooky's style.
2. I joked for one page (along with others).
3. You selfvoted early on.
4. You lurked for one page.

I believe that 3 and 4 are way scummier than 1 and 2, respectively. Your argument seems to be the exact opposite.

You state that your three suspects are TCS CES and Kalei, yet your vote is still on TJM.

[livingod]

The crux of my case against you (not all of it):
1. I FoSed lots of people early on, referring to Pooky's style.
2. I joked for one page (along with others).
3. You selfvoted early on.
4. You lurked for one page.

You state that your three suspects are TCS CES and Kalei, yet your vote is still on TJM.

4. ????????????????????????????????????? ARE YOU FRICKEN KIDDING ME. When I have bad days and don't come onto scum, I miss pages. When I can't add anything to the discussion, I miss pages. Lurking is a fact of life. I'll admit, scum lurk. So do town. In general, scum lurk while participating. Town lurk by not posting, although don't take that as fact. My point is...one page? Are you so sure that that's a scum tell?

Why do I consider it a scumtell? Because he didn't post for one page, and then accused me of not posting substance for one page, in fact the SAME page. I find that hypocritical at the very least.

And Jive is at lynch-2, btw...

[livingod]

Hmm, TJM is kinda right. We got a case going and all of a sudden we got wagon jumpers. I think that the wagon may have been hijacked by scum, but since they're not very active in the wagon, it's just a strong suspicion...

[livingod]

But not only was that point not believed to be proven by anyone, it wasn't even proven in the first place. Hence the disbelief.

You say:
"TJM sez that since no one believes it, it's not proven."
I say:
"TJM sez that since it's not proven, no one believes it."

[livingod]

Sorry for the absence. Back.

Methinks: DoS + TJM = Scum

Since I've only skimmed the last few days' posts, I'll vote on the one with the smaller wagon.

unvote vote DoS

Mod:

Can you please prod the nonvoters?

[livingod]

Both TJM and DoS claim = good.

TJM goes first. Why? Vibes.

[livingod]

Vibes = I find TJM scummier.

[livingod]

It's because I think they're both scum. But if TJM's claim seems like bull enough, I won't push for a DoS claim anymore.

[livingod]

No one died? Looks like the doc/RB got lucky. Or scum didn't kill...

[livingod]

Ahem, do you mean C_D?

I still think he's scum, but not as strongly. Also DOS and Shea. But I feel that Shea is the best candidate for the day.

vote shea

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