Micro 186: Vengeball (Game is over)

[Jake from State Farm]

Three pretty strong town reads.

- f

This post was prompted by jason's post 153. The reasoning in 153 looks town to me. Jason's the weakest of the three reads, though.

ok thank you, I will concede that posts looks good but that's essentially the only thing he has done. to call a person town imo you should be able to reference more than 1 post, and 2 of your town reads are essentially doing that. I find it hard to believe anyone can gather a town read off 1 post.

[Rift Adrift]

All reads are subject to change, but you have to start somewhere.

Day 1 or w/e moved way too fast for my taste. Hopefully this lynch discussion will be more deliberative.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Hey I'm gonna go have a look but 2 town reads and 2 scum is a dumb idea just b/c of the split of town/scum.

[Rift Adrift]

There are 3 town left. I'm not willing to lynch among the town/maybe town today. I feel pretty good about lynching outside those groups.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Wait did I not post my vote jake post?

Okay, posting it now

VOTE: Jake From State Farm

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Anyway, I said something like it's really hard to tell the town/scum of who's left but he definitely gives me scumvibes.

I'm also paranoid about mp5. He's null which kinda leans scum with this ratio.

Rift looks town, but yeah I really don't want to commit to this. Same with JK, although he defended katsuki kinda hard which is a bit risky for scum, mebbe... Hmmmm.

I really don't want to try to split scum yet. Lynch jake first.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok

[Rift Adrift]

This reads as fake, how can you get "Godfather vibes" when really, Godfathers will act a lot similar to just Mafia Goons, with a partner they can willingly lynch, goons are the ones that would seem scummy for defending.

Godfather numero uno

^ only reasons we need. Call me a sheeper I dont care, I'm in complete agreement with jake.

Godfather numero dos

W/E it seems everyone wants to lynch katsuki and I don't really know what to say so BLATANT QUICKHAMMER FTW.

VOTE: katsuki

Goon numero uno

doubt a little...

p.edit - ok I get the Mp5 town read as I read him as town also, but you give absolutely no reason why jason is a town read and I don't fully buy your town read on JK cause that could easily be faked since we have 2 scum reads.

but fair enough, explain your town read on jason - I have him as null and as far as i can tell you are the only one town reading him.

Goon numero dos.

Game solved.
VOTE: JasonWazza

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

NOPE. I'm still town.

Also I kinda agree with jason's point in 153.

xD.

Are you linking those in teams or no?

[Jake from State Farm]

You wouldn't ask that question if you were town.

[Rift Adrift]

Ok Siv, who's scum?

And lets suppose you're right and you are town and you get mislynched, don't you think its important to make sure you venge scum and avoid town? Here, they're the same thing.

We need to get one of the godfathers today. Syr, my hydra partner thinks he has it figured out, and I've looked things over and agree with him.

The three town players also have to stick together. Someone from the opposite scum team

will

vote with us in time, hoping to garner some town cred and make the next lynch a mislynch.

It doesn't have to be Jason first. But it does need to be one of the quiet scum.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Jake, why say that?

Also cmon I'm toooooooown.

[JasonWazza]

Wait a second, why did you have 3 town reads when there are only 3 town left Rift?

and you flip it now when it's useful.

VOTE: Rift Adrift

[Rift Adrift]

Yep. I was confused until MP5 set me straight on the number. We're lynching a godfather today. That means you or Seanald. Syr and I don't care which.

[JasonWazza]

Why would a townie not know how many town there are left?

Answer he wouldn't

Why would a scum not know how many town there a left?

Answer, he doesn't need to know, he just needs to lynch everyone else.

[JasonWazza]

This reads as fake, how can you get "Godfather vibes" when really, Godfathers will act a lot similar to just Mafia Goons, with a partner they can willingly lynch, goons are the ones that would seem scummy for defending.

Godfather numero uno

Also this was me talking from experience from vengefuls, not from being a godfather but keep stretching

[Rift Adrift]

Nah. I routinely miscalculate numbers in mafia because I don't count myself.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, why say that?

Also cmon I'm toooooooown.

because your question seem like he is right but maybe not the pairing he is implying.

saying your town doesn't mean you are town. I declare myself town in just about every game, but the difference between the 2 of us is I can point to examples of me scum hunting, there isn't a single example of you doing that.

saying you are town without backing it up, is only going to make me want to lynch you more.

[MP5]

Jason, try again please, I'm not in to lynch rift, and I don't agree with your reasoning as to why he's scum about as much as I disagree with the "if you were town, you'd realise the danger" reasoning you had on wisdom back in 153.

Rift, of those two I'm more down with seanald than Jason right now. I'm still undecided as to who is scummier out of Jason and Jake, and that's a bridge I'd like to save crossing until I need to. I'm hoping we'll hit a gf and their goon will die too, if that decision isn't made for us I'll reconsider after I've seen some flips.

We do need a consensus of at least the three town and one opposing Mafia, or failing that two and two (with either both opposing Mafia on board, or a bus from the gf)

I'm happy for this then:

VOTE: seanald

Siv, is seanald a lynch you can support?
Jake, Jason, jk, same question.

Lets talk it out before a hasn't though

[MP5]

EBWOP: hammer, not hasn't. Phone post, I wasn't able to edit it due to the annoying formatting of these forums :S so I submitted so as not to lose what I'd typed up.

[Jake from State Farm]

I feel like rift detects a little blood in the water and thinks she can pluck off town. It makes no sense that her "weak" town read all of a sudden is the GF and the only thing she can come up with is 1 post & his inactivity?

siv/rift both need pressure. both are guilty of something that makes no sense from a town perspective.


p.edit - I could see myself joining a seanald lynch at some point but prefer siv or rift first

[Rift Adrift]

Jason, try again please, I'm not in to lynch rift, and I don't agree with your reasoning as to why he's scum about as much as I disagree with the "if you were town, you'd realise the danger" reasoning you had on wisdom back in 153.

Rift, of those two I'm more down with seanald than Jason right now. I'm still undecided as to who is scummier out of Jason and Jake, and that's a bridge I'd like to save crossing until I need to. I'm hoping we'll hit a gf and their goon will die too, if that decision isn't made for us I'll reconsider after I've seen some flips.

We do need a consensus of at least the three town and one opposing Mafia, or failing that two and two (with either both opposing Mafia on board, or a bus from the gf)

I'm happy for this then:

VOTE: seanald

Siv, is seanald a lynch you can support?
Jake, Jason, jk, same question.

Lets talk it out before a hasn't though

Syry and I were discussing whether to switch to seanald earlier, so I will go ahead and

UNVOTE: jasonwazza

VOTE: seanald

[MP5]

Reads to me more like the two heads of the hydra had a disagreement, f was seeing things one way and s comes in and changes that read.

Jake, does that mean you think Jason is town?

[Rift Adrift]

I feel like rift detects a little blood in the water and thinks she can pluck off town. It makes no sense that her "weak" town read all of a sudden is the GF and the only thing she can come up with is 1 post & his inactivity?

siv/rift both need pressure. both are guilty of something that makes no sense from a town perspective.


p.edit - I could see myself joining a seanald lynch at some point but prefer siv or rift first

My game changes a little as a hydra, and how it changes depends on who I am partnering with.

The first lynch was a fucking disaster for town and it happened so quickly and with no discussion at all about who to shoot.

I can't necessarily prevent another crap lynch, but I am sure as hell going to try to get a better one this time. And I'm in agreement with Syry about the likely mafia teams.

You haven't convinced me you are town. It's going to take more than calling yourself obvtown.

[Rift Adrift]

Reads to me more like the two heads of the hydra had a disagreement, f was seeing things one way and s comes in and changes that read.

Jake, does that mean you think Jason is town?

Not really a disagreement. Syry had his first real opportunity to catch up with the game thread since before Katsuki's lynch. I've not tried to figure out the mafia teams on my own. I was focused more on figuring out who I don't want lynched or shot.