Micro 186: Vengeball (Game is over)

[Wisdom]

him* them* whatever

[Cheery Dog]

Vote Count 1.3

Player	L-4 Vote	L-3 Vote	L-2 Vote	L-1 Vote	L-0 Vote (Hammer)
Jake from State Farm	JKMatthews
JasonWazza
JKMatthews
Katsuki	MP5	Jake from State Farm	Wisdom	Seanald
MP5	JasonWazza	Siverure DtTrikyp
Rift Adrift
Seanald
Siverure DtTrikyp
Wisdom	Katsuki

Not Voting Rift Adrift

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-06-24 19:30:00)

[Rift Adrift]

Hydra synch up probably won't happen until sometime tomorrow. Syr is traveing today/tonight.

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[MP5]

Ah Hmm, I go away for a day and miss almost for pages ...

Skimmed through, happy to keep my vote on katsuki. Might skim through and cast a venge kill suggestion on the chance katsuki flips town soon, will have more time to post in-depth this evening when I get home (approx 6-7 hrs)

[JKMatthews]

Listen JK.
Me and Jake are your scumreads, right?
Me and Jake are also Katsuki's scumreads.
So if Katsuki is town (which is the only reason you might not want to hammer him), he will kill one of us.
Sounds good to you, doesn't it?
So you have no reason not to hammer her, do you?

Terrible.

TERRIBLE!

You're asking me to lynch someone who I personally don't have any reason to suspect as scum, just because they'll shoot one of my scumreads (which I obviously could be wrong about)?
Obviously I'd rather lynch a scum read and have the vengekill as plan B rather than committing to what I think is plan B from the outset...

[Wisdom]

Good answer.
Katsuki still needs rope though.

[Rift Adrift]

Synch achieved.

I don't like the Katsuki wagon. Syr is so-so about it.

Scummy: We agree that Jake, Seanald and Wisdom look scummy. Of the three, Wisdom looks the worst.

Syr agrees with me that MP5 is looking pretty towny.

So, Wisdom: The two things that stood out about him the most is the "oh right" reaction when Jake quoted Katsuki's post about updating role pms, as though that post was a huge ah ha. Then he pressured JKMatthews to vote someone who said they'd shoot one of his scumreads.

VOTE: Wisdom

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[Jake from State Farm]

I don't get why you voted twice

I hadn't unvoted, so I did just in case I needed to...

Also Jake, why do you find katsuki more suspicious than katsuki?

P-edit: well, crap on the 'never knowing' thing, cos I'd like to know why you find katsuki more suspicious than Wisdom.

If you read rift's recent post you may pick up on my reason for wisdom...

[Rift Adrift]

Also, JKMatthews looks town for his response to Wisdom.

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[Jake from State Farm]

My only issue with Jk is he essentially says scum has to act town and then goes and does something blatantly town.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

UNVOTE: mp5

Also jake what?

[Jake from State Farm]

What what?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

What is 134 trying to say?

[Jake from State Farm]

I was responding to 133, for the most part I read JK as town but in one of his posts he made a comment about scum having to appear town and in that same post he does something which seems to be blatantly town. It struck me as odd and something i was gonna keep an eye on

[Wisdom]

So, Wisdom: The two things that stood out about him the most is the "oh right" reaction when Jake quoted Katsuki's post about updating role pms, as though that post was a huge ah ha. Then he pressured JKMatthews to vote someone who said they'd shoot one of his scumreads.

Initially I didn't think that the post Jake quoted was a huge scumtell or anything, but I did have a feeling Katsuki was scum. I mostly voted to see reactions; and Katsuki's reactions more or less convinced me that my feeling was right.
As for the pressure on JK; I got a strong feeling that he might be Katsuki's partner from the way he accused Jake and defended Katsuki so I wanted to corner him and see his reaction. His response was very good however; not something that can't be faked of course, but it was good. It's enough to make me reconsider if he's scum at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

the bottom line with katsuki, is his reaction was completely over the top. If anyone is town reading him because of his reaction I swear you better just quit playing mafia, cause that is not how a townie should act.

I stand by my original post that his questioning the mod looked like scum paranoia and I don't buy for a minute that he looked up how to play this setup after the role PMs have already went out.

my vote won't be changing off katsuki. he's today's only lynch imo.

[Seanald]

^ only reasons we need. Call me a sheeper I dont care, I'm in complete agreement with jake.

[JKMatthews]

My only issue with Jk is he essentially says scum has to act town and then goes and does something blatantly town.

This is pretty ridiculous really. Please don't tell me I'm the first person on MS to say/think that scum should try to appear town...? I don't know how else to read this...

Can Jake/Seanald explain to me why it has to unequivocally katsuki today?

[Jake from State Farm]

no you aren't the first nor will you be the last but you said it and then posted something I interpreted to be an obvious attempt to appear town.

For me katsuki is most likely scum, so why would I vote for anyone else? I have explained my reasoning why I think he's scum

[JKMatthews]

That still doesn't make sense. Are you saying you'd have thought I was less likely to be scum if I'd voted for somebody I didn't have a scumread on? Or if I said "I'm not changing because you're not the boss of me"? I gave my reasons for not being a sheep and voting katsuki because they were my reasons...

Well, given that as town literally 50% of the other players in the game would be scum, why are you just tunneling katsuki like that?

[Jake from State Farm]

it wasn't your vote that I had an issue with, it was you saying something very townie (telling people to not rush to a lynch, we need more discussion, etc) in the same post where you say scum has to appear town. It just struck me as odd. I didn't say this makes me think you are scum, but you are someone I want to keep an eye on.

I am fine with more discussion but won't be broken hearted if he was lynched without it. I am not pushing for him to be hammered like the others, but I am not changing my vote off of him.

[JKMatthews]

Fair enough. I don't feel like I'm enough of a rookie to make that sort of mistake, but I suppose I see your point.

"he's today's only lynch imo" is subtly pushing for it without blatantly telling people to vote though.
If you had to pick 4 scum from the game, who would they be?

[Jake from State Farm]

well, yeah imo he's today's lynch. I am not always listened too despite being right more often than wrong.

My gut says you will find at least 2 in this group - katsuki/Siv/Wisdom/Rift

[MP5]

Katsuki, can you explain where your scum read of wisdom came from back at page 2? In 131, rift makes a case for wisdom based on two points - one from post 50, and one from post 124 I think - both of which came after you had fixed on to him?

Jk Matthews and rift both read solidly as town to me, I don't want to see either lynched or venged at this point.

Wisdom I don't fully agree with the scum read on, his reaction with the "oh right" was kind of what went on in my head when I first read that part of the thread. I had him as fairly null up to and even after encouraging the hammer, until jk's point that pushing for him to make what he believes is a sub-optimal lynch was bad play. Marginal scum lean based on this point, but not convinced.

Jake I am mostly following as well, not sure where the scum read comes here, id have him leaning the town side of null.

Katsuki is still my main scum read, 72 really rubs me the wrong way, way I see it is katsuki didn't slip, in his/her mind perceives that he/she hasn't made a mistake, and is angry at being "caught" for "no reason". Don't fully agree with the reason the wagon got started, but reactions once it did are enough for me to keep my vote.

Seanald's vote is opportunistic, not only that but in every game I've ever stalked with him in it (plus the one game we played together) he always seems scummy to me, and this is no exception. He'd be my #1 suggestion for katsuki to venge if he is lynched and flips town (of your suspects wisdom/Jake, I'd say wisdom more than Jake)

Jason/Siv I haven't got enough from, but prob at least 1 scum in here by a combination of PoE, lurkiness, and probability. Siv more than Jason atm, gut.

Apologies for not linking but I'm stuck with phone posting currently as I wasn't able to get to my laptop last night :S

[Cheery Dog]

this bump will possibly stay?